Hard to Believe Ainge will Make any Move Soon Trade Thread

[MagicBagley18]

I really like Theis and Stevens trusts him so I would hate to trade him but I also understand he may not be back next year seeing that he is a FA.

I think Wizards are still trying to move forward and push for a playoff spot. Their defense is awful and they just lost Bryant. Someone like Theis may appeal considering he's low money and not a long term financial strain. Known as a good defender and can soak up the mins Bryant left.

Theis and Edwards for Troy Brown and MO Wagner. Solid young wing depth and Wagner is better than what he's shown lately. Brad would get best out of him IMO

Also this shaves 1.4 mil off books which can help with TPE absorbing contract.

That Washington team is nowhere near a playoff team. And even if they got into the 7-10 play-in they have zero shot at making any noise as currently built. Bradley Beal will want out at some point and he's probably the only guy that I'd seriously consider swapping Brown for.

I'd do something like Brown & Teague (once eligible) for Beal & T Brown JR.

Tatum/Jaylen are an awesome duo. Tatum/Beal would be legit unstoppable.

Beals literally worse at everything that harden does. He’s younger than harden and right now better than brown but how much better? For how much longer? How much better is the team with beal than brown? If brown is what everyone here thinks he is why would we trade him for beal?

Beals teams consistently miss the playoffs in the east, he’s the worst rated defender for his position and I don’t think he makes us that much better and I was someone who wanted him badly a year ago before I really watched his game all the time. I’d love to add him to brown and Tatum. I love that he’s friends with Tatum but if you’re losing brown why do it for beal?

If I’m losing brown i want a player in return who makes the teams ceiling much higher and that’s harden not beal. I’d take 2 years of legit contender than 4 years of beal and being a slightly better team.

I’d also highly suspect beal demands out AFTER this season when he has a player option the following year and essentially has 100% leverage and can choose his destination. The only way we get him is brown and if I had to bet he’ll be in Miami because we won’t offer brown and Riley wants him plus the bartelstein connection.

[jmr07019]

The move is to get Beal to force his way to Boston for Kemba + rookie contract guys + picks. That's how we become legit title contenders. Swapping Beal for Brown won't move the needle enough. Most of what you gain in offense you lose in defense. At least with the Kemba Beal swap you are trading one poor defender for another and frankly if Beal starts trying on D he might be a defensive upgrade over Kemab. At least he has the size. Celts gotta make this buddy buddy team up BS work in their favor.

[MagicBagley18]

The move is to get Beal to force his way to Boston for Kemba + rookie contract guys + picks. That's how we become legit title contenders. Swapping Beal for Brown won't move the needle enough. Most of what you gain in offense you lose in defense. At least with the Kemba Beal swap you are trading one poor defender for another and frankly if Beal starts trying on D he might be a defensive upgrade over Kemab. At least he has the size. Celts gotta make this buddy buddy team up BS work in their favor.

I agree with everything your saying. The forcing his way here won’t happen with Miami on the table imo. The heat can pair him with bam and Jimmy and be a legit contender. I think Boston and Miami will be his preferred destinations but I don’t think he’ll outright say no to Miami and only a yes to Boston ala AD to the lakers.

The key is he needs to wait until next offseason for a trade so he can stop teams like Denver or a New Orleans from trading for him. Then he can use his leverage and say “I’m a rental”. I think Boston will be at the top of his list but I don’t think he’s gonna force his way on'y here but again I could be wrong.

That aside Washington won’t take a kemba deal for him directly imo. Kemba just doesn’t have that value.

[Ernest]

The move is to get Beal to force his way to Boston for Kemba + rookie contract guys + picks. That's how we become legit title contenders. Swapping Beal for Brown won't move the needle enough. Most of what you gain in offense you lose in defense. At least with the Kemba Beal swap you are trading one poor defender for another and frankly if Beal starts trying on D he might be a defensive upgrade over Kemab. At least he has the size. Celts gotta make this buddy buddy team up BS work in their favor.

I agree with everything your saying. The forcing his way here won’t happen with Miami on the table imo. The heat can pair him with bam and Jimmy and be a legit contender. I think Boston and Miami will be his preferred destinations but I don’t think he’ll outright say no to Miami and only a yes to Boston ala AD to the lakers.

The key is he needs to wait until next offseason for a trade so he can stop teams like Denver or a New Orleans from trading for him. Then he can use his leverage and say “I’m a rental”. I think Boston will be at the top of his list but I don’t think he’s gonna force his way on'y here but again I could be wrong.

That aside Washington won’t take a kemba deal for him directly imo. Kemba just doesn’t have that value.

It all comes down to what he wants.

[jmr07019]

The move is to get Beal to force his way to Boston for Kemba + rookie contract guys + picks. That's how we become legit title contenders. Swapping Beal for Brown won't move the needle enough. Most of what you gain in offense you lose in defense. At least with the Kemba Beal swap you are trading one poor defender for another and frankly if Beal starts trying on D he might be a defensive upgrade over Kemab. At least he has the size. Celts gotta make this buddy buddy team up BS work in their favor.

I agree with everything your saying. The forcing his way here won’t happen with Miami on the table imo. The heat can pair him with bam and Jimmy and be a legit contender. I think Boston and Miami will be his preferred destinations but I don’t think he’ll outright say no to Miami and only a yes to Boston ala AD to the lakers.

The key is he needs to wait until next offseason for a trade so he can stop teams like Denver or a New Orleans from trading for him. Then he can use his leverage and say “I’m a rental”. I think Boston will be at the top of his list but I don’t think he’s gonna force his way on'y here but again I could be wrong.

That aside Washington won’t take a kemba deal for him directly imo. Kemba just doesn’t have that value.

Kemba probably goes to a 3rd team with some smaller asset(s) going to Washington. I agree Washington has little interest in Kemba.

Miami has Precious, Nunn, Herro and Robinson as young guys to trade. We have Pritchard, Nesmith, Langford and the Williams's. Looking at that list I'm taking Miami's young guys. Pritchard certainly balances the scales but Miami is still looking better. It'd be nice if Nesmith or Romeo could show something, anything, on the court. This is why we need Tatum to convince Beal to pull an AD though. No idea if it's possible or how tight those 2 are but it appears the answer is very tight.

[CelticFaninLBC]

Can't see Ainge moving Kemba during the season, or NO moving Adams, but if there is a deal, I like this one better.

https://www.nbaanalysis.net/2021/01/10/nba-rumors-new-orleans-pelicans-boston-celtics-trade-pairs-kemba-walker-zion-williamson/2/

Kemba for Bledsoe, Reddick and a NO 1st. Am skeptical Boston could get a 1st though.

[klemen4]

Agree guys, I also believe Beal will want to be traded to Boston next season. We can not offer the best package, but...if we trade Kemba for 2022 expirings we will have max cap space for Beal in summer 2022. Ok Smart would also be gone as FA, but still.

We can put a starting lineup of

Prichard
Beal
Brown
Tatum
Williams

[GoGreen]

Don't get me wrong, Beal is a great player, but at some point don't we worry about how there's only 1 ball to go around? Brad/Jaylen/Jayson might get clunky out there. Idk maybe I'm over thinking it.

[jfs1000d]

Keep Kemba. What wrong with you guys? He has 3 years left in deal. y’all act like he wasn’t terrific when he was healthy here.


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[31to6]

Don't get me wrong, Beal is a great player, but at some point don't we worry about how there's only 1 ball to go around? Brad/Jaylen/Jayson might get clunky out there. Idk maybe I'm over thinking it.

Yup. I like scoring, but I love being finally streamlined to the Jays (and, I guess, Kemba). Has Beal ever shown a proclivity for defense? Unless we have it on super-great authority that he can be a good defender and just isn’t, for years now, I don’t see the appeal. Kemba for Beal and start Beal at the point? Maybe... but I’m getting things twisted aren’t I.

[MagicBagley18]

The move is to get Beal to force his way to Boston for Kemba + rookie contract guys + picks. That's how we become legit title contenders. Swapping Beal for Brown won't move the needle enough. Most of what you gain in offense you lose in defense. At least with the Kemba Beal swap you are trading one poor defender for another and frankly if Beal starts trying on D he might be a defensive upgrade over Kemab. At least he has the size. Celts gotta make this buddy buddy team up BS work in their favor.

I agree with everything your saying. The forcing his way here won’t happen with Miami on the table imo. The heat can pair him with bam and Jimmy and be a legit contender. I think Boston and Miami will be his preferred destinations but I don’t think he’ll outright say no to Miami and only a yes to Boston ala AD to the lakers.

The key is he needs to wait until next offseason for a trade so he can stop teams like Denver or a New Orleans from trading for him. Then he can use his leverage and say “I’m a rental”. I think Boston will be at the top of his list but I don’t think he’s gonna force his way on'y here but again I could be wrong.

That aside Washington won’t take a kemba deal for him directly imo. Kemba just doesn’t have that value.

It all comes down to what he wants.

If riley wants him they’ll gamble on him staying. It’s a winning organization with a real chance to win and he has Miami as his back drop. Miami also has a better package than us if we don’t include brown.

We could be his top destination but that won’t scare off riley and I don’t think he’ll kill any trade to Miami as it’s a real shot to win and a great place to play and his agent will sell him on it. Kawhi demanded only LA the raptors took that chance - there’s literally
no way kemba as a centerpiece gets us beal even if he demands he’ll only re-sign here.

Won’t scare Miami off so no it doesn’t really come down to only what he wants

[MagicBagley18]

On the topic so not a bad read.

It will be fascinating to see if beal and harden are on the market next offseason if it’s possible to get one while keeping brown. Slim slim slim slim chance but there’s a small chance you can get harden next summer and keep the JT/brown duo- hell let’s get crazy& get both next summer

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2021/1/11/22224017/bradley-beal-james-harden-trade

[ddb]

The move is to get Beal to force his way to Boston for Kemba + rookie contract guys + picks. That's how we become legit title contenders. Swapping Beal for Brown won't move the needle enough. Most of what you gain in offense you lose in defense. At least with the Kemba Beal swap you are trading one poor defender for another and frankly if Beal starts trying on D he might be a defensive upgrade over Kemab. At least he has the size. Celts gotta make this buddy buddy team up BS work in their favor.

Yes I agree...but there's 0% chance Washington does that

[La Flame]

Can't see Ainge moving Kemba during the season, or NO moving Adams, but if there is a deal, I like this one better.

https://www.nbaanalysis.net/2021/01/10/nba-rumors-new-orleans-pelicans-boston-celtics-trade-pairs-kemba-walker-zion-williamson/2/

Kemba for Bledsoe, Reddick and a NO 1st. Am skeptical Boston could get a 1st though.

Depends on his new contract, Lonzo Ball would be interesting.

But anyway, I haven't seen any Kemba trade besides Harden that isn't a severe downgrade. Ainge won't sell low and imo our best bet is just to get Kemba fully healthy, because he can still be an all-nba level killer in a deep playoff run and he fits the system perfectly here.

[La Flame]

I'm still keen on Bagley though. His value is as low as it'll ever get right now. I'd prolly trade Kemba for him if it came down to it

[BK_2020]

Bagley's value is lo because he sucks. If BOS also sucked and had nothing to look forward there might be a reason to gather all the **** players together in the hopes that one sucks less, but that's not where we are right now.

[SMTBSI]

Don't get me wrong, Beal is a great player, but at some point don't we worry about how there's only 1 ball to go around? Brad/Jaylen/Jayson might get clunky out there. Idk maybe I'm over thinking it.

Yup. I like scoring, but I love being finally streamlined to the Jays (and, I guess, Kemba). Has Beal ever shown a proclivity for defense? Unless we have it on super-great authority that he can be a good defender and just isn’t, for years now, I don’t see the appeal. Kemba for Beal and start Beal at the point? Maybe... but I’m getting things twisted aren’t I.

I'm starting to think along these lines too. The Jays as #1 and #2 experiment is going pretty well so far, with more growth to come, we hope.

And, as good as they've looked, imagine how they'd look backed up by a killer grouping of lower-usage knock-down-shooter 3-and-D type roleplayers. Our bench is coming along, but it's still not what I think most of us would call a "strength" at this exact moment.

What we really need are an Eddie House, a James Posey, and a bargain-bin KG.

[jmr07019]

The move is to get Beal to force his way to Boston for Kemba + rookie contract guys + picks. That's how we become legit title contenders. Swapping Beal for Brown won't move the needle enough. Most of what you gain in offense you lose in defense. At least with the Kemba Beal swap you are trading one poor defender for another and frankly if Beal starts trying on D he might be a defensive upgrade over Kemab. At least he has the size. Celts gotta make this buddy buddy team up BS work in their favor.

Yes I agree...but there's 0% chance Washington does that

Well we need one of our young guys to break out and establish value.

We need a third team to give an expiring and an asset in exchange for Kemba

But most importantly we need Beal to give Washington a 1 team list of where he wants to be traded. We need to make player empowerment work for us.

[MagicBagley18]

If you can get Beal added to brown and Tatum (we can’t) you do it no question. U don’t pass it up bc Tatum and brown looking good together.

[SMTBSI]

If you can get Beal added to brown and Tatum (we can’t) you do it no question. U don’t pass it up bc Tatum and brown looking good together.

That's not the argument though. It's not a matter of declining Beal in lieu of nothing else. If the Beal deal is there, and there's nothing else, of course you take it. It's a question of Beal versus spending the same assets to improve the team in other ways.

Like you, I'm pretty sure it's not even possible to add Beal to Brown and Tatum, but if it was, it would required basically an absolute purge of every single other asset into the foreseeable future. There might be a better strategy, even if that was on the table.


Edit: I guess this hypothetical really just boils down to: [3 stars and no depth] vs [2 stars and great depth]. I lean towards the latter.