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Re: Who will coach the Celtics in 2021-22? 

Post#141 » by bisme37 » Mon Jun 7, 2021 5:34 pm

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bisme37 wrote:I know this rubs some people the wrong way but the next coach has to be African-American I think. Been reading articles and it's being said that many around the league rolled their eyes when Brad was given the POBO job without any Black candidates being interviewed. Now we have a chance to put that eye rolling to bed with our coaching hire. In the context of Ainge's recent comments and Boston's longstanding reputation on race, it's the thing to do. Would improve our standing with free agents and our own players.

Yes the "best candidate" should get the job. But in this reality being black is actually a qualification that makes you a better choice than a white candidate. Many of our players are passionate about racial justice and would respond better to a new black coach than a white one. It's just the truth. We need a coach who these guys will run through a wall for, not roll their eyes at.


I shouldn't have to say this but, I'm black... and I can only imagine a white person saying this for any reason, for any job. They would be called all kinds of racist. Imagine, a white person, saying we need a white boss so our employees will take him seriously. It amazes me what our race is able to get away with saying these days and nobody gives it a second thought.

If our guys need a black coach in order to not roll their eyes at him....... That says alot more about them than it does anyone else. Nothing about this route we are going down screams unity to me. It screams division.. And putting extra emphasis on skin color is not the way to end racism. My opinion. I'll leave it there.


Like it or not our beloved franchise has a reputation for being a white boys club. It needs to change if we're going to attract star players. I didn't do it, it just is.

For awhile now there's been tons of talk around the league for need for more black coaches in general. The league has mostly black players but mostly white coaches. Let's be leaders on that front and not part of the problem. It would go a long way.

And say we're hiring for the new head of our local chapter of the NAACP. I think 9 times out of 10 the best candidate for that job is going to be a black person, because of their experience as a black person helps them understand and do their job. And I don't think it's racist to acknowledge that.

Similarly, I feel the best candidate/coach for Celtics coach is going to be a black person. Even if we feel uncomfortable putting it in those terms, it's just the truth. I'm not advocating for affirmative action. I'm saying being black makes you a better candidate for this job at this time. And there are a ton of very qualified black candidates so it really shouldn't be hard.
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Re: Who will coach the Celtics in 2021-22? 

Post#142 » by GoCeltics123 » Mon Jun 7, 2021 5:35 pm

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Two new head coaching positions have opened in the past week in Portland and Orlando as those two teams parted ways respectively with Terry Stotts and Steve Clifford. Portland is a respected job around the league with an All-Star but the Celtics opening remains the most high sought after opening on the market according to league sources. Jason Kidd electing to pull himself out of consideration for the Blazers opening does not appear to be related to his candidacy in Boston.


Says Larranaga, Morrison and Jerome Allen have interviewed and outside candidate interviews will begin soon
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Re: Who will coach the Celtics in 2021-22? 

Post#143 » by gocelts » Mon Jun 7, 2021 5:49 pm

If we promote a current Cs assistant, I may literally projectile vomit across the room when I find out about it.
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Re: Who will coach the Celtics in 2021-22? 

Post#144 » by 31to6 » Mon Jun 7, 2021 5:55 pm

why am I preparing myself for it to be Kidd?
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Re: Who will coach the Celtics in 2021-22? 

Post#145 » by ajones9219 » Mon Jun 7, 2021 6:01 pm

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bisme37 wrote:I know this rubs some people the wrong way but the next coach has to be African-American I think. Been reading articles and it's being said that many around the league rolled their eyes when Brad was given the POBO job without any Black candidates being interviewed. Now we have a chance to put that eye rolling to bed with our coaching hire. In the context of Ainge's recent comments and Boston's longstanding reputation on race, it's the thing to do. Would improve our standing with free agents and our own players.

Yes the "best candidate" should get the job. But in this reality being black is actually a qualification that makes you a better choice than a white candidate. Many of our players are passionate about racial justice and would respond better to a new black coach than a white one. It's just the truth. We need a coach who these guys will run through a wall for, not roll their eyes at.


I shouldn't have to say this but, I'm black... and I can only imagine a white person saying this for any reason, for any job. They would be called all kinds of racist. Imagine, a white person, saying we need a white boss so our employees will take him seriously. It amazes me what our race is able to get away with saying these days and nobody gives it a second thought.

If our guys need a black coach in order to not roll their eyes at him....... That says alot more about them than it does anyone else. Nothing about this route we are going down screams unity to me. It screams division.. And putting extra emphasis on skin color is not the way to end racism. My opinion. I'll leave it there.


Like it or not our beloved franchise has a reputation for being a white boys club. It needs to change if we're going to attract star players. I didn't do it, it just is.

For awhile now there's been tons of talk around the league for need for more black coaches in general. The league has mostly black players but mostly white coaches. Let's be leaders on that front and not part of the problem. It would go a long way.

And say we're hiring for the new head of our local chapter of the NAACP. I think 9 times out of 10 the best candidate for that job is going to be a black person, because of their experience as a black person helps them understand and do their job. And I don't think it's racist to acknowledge that.

Similarly, I feel the best candidate for Celtics coach is going to be a black person. Even if we feel uncomfortable putting it in those terms, it's just the truth. I'm not advocating for affirmative action. I'm saying being black makes you a better candidate for this job at this time. And there are a ton of very qualified black candidates so it really shouldn't be hard.


Wait. So people saying "the most qualified person should get the job regardless of skin color" are being called racist and threatened with a ban....yet people can say "we need to hire a black person no matter what" and that flies? I say this as someone who wants either Billups, cassel, or lawson.
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Re: Who will coach the Celtics in 2021-22? 

Post#146 » by bucknersrevenge » Mon Jun 7, 2021 6:13 pm

Tyakack wrote:
bisme37 wrote:I know this rubs some people the wrong way but the next coach has to be African-American I think. Been reading articles and it's being said that many around the league rolled their eyes when Brad was given the POBO job without any Black candidates being interviewed. Now we have a chance to put that eye rolling to bed with our coaching hire. In the context of Ainge's recent comments and Boston's longstanding reputation on race, it's the thing to do. Would improve our standing with free agents and our own players.

Yes the "best candidate" should get the job. But in this reality being black is actually a qualification that makes you a better choice than a white candidate. Many of our players are passionate about racial justice and would respond better to a new black coach than a white one. It's just the truth. We need a coach who these guys will run through a wall for, not roll their eyes at.


I shouldn't have to say this but, I'm black... and I can only imagine a white person saying this for any reason, for any job. They would be called all kinds of racist. Imagine, a white person, saying we need a white boss so our employees will take him seriously. It amazes me what our race is able to get away with saying these days and nobody gives it a second thought.

If our guys need a black coach in order to not roll their eyes at him....... That says alot more about them than it does anyone else. Nothing about this route we are going down screams unity to me. It screams division.. And putting extra emphasis on skin color is not the way to end racism. My opinion. I'll leave it there.


I appreciate your opinion. I would say that if you're worried about a move reading like division, I'd say that you're a few hundred years late to the party. We're already divided man. We've been divided. And a large part of that division is based upon the assumption that a Black person cannot also be the most qualified person. I see you talkin about unity. Be careful. Unity done wrong looks an awful lot like assimilation especially considering the social order of things. It is not your job as a Black man to make others feel at ease with your presence. When those who have historically been in positions of power choose to SEE and accept your skin color and all it entails, then we can talk about unity.
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Re: Who will coach the Celtics in 2021-22? 

Post#147 » by djFan71 » Mon Jun 7, 2021 6:14 pm

bisme37 wrote:
Tyakack wrote:
bisme37 wrote:I know this rubs some people the wrong way but the next coach has to be African-American I think. Been reading articles and it's being said that many around the league rolled their eyes when Brad was given the POBO job without any Black candidates being interviewed. Now we have a chance to put that eye rolling to bed with our coaching hire. In the context of Ainge's recent comments and Boston's longstanding reputation on race, it's the thing to do. Would improve our standing with free agents and our own players.

Yes the "best candidate" should get the job. But in this reality being black is actually a qualification that makes you a better choice than a white candidate. Many of our players are passionate about racial justice and would respond better to a new black coach than a white one. It's just the truth. We need a coach who these guys will run through a wall for, not roll their eyes at.


I shouldn't have to say this but, I'm black... and I can only imagine a white person saying this for any reason, for any job. They would be called all kinds of racist. Imagine, a white person, saying we need a white boss so our employees will take him seriously. It amazes me what our race is able to get away with saying these days and nobody gives it a second thought.

If our guys need a black coach in order to not roll their eyes at him....... That says alot more about them than it does anyone else. Nothing about this route we are going down screams unity to me. It screams division.. And putting extra emphasis on skin color is not the way to end racism. My opinion. I'll leave it there.


Like it or not our beloved franchise has a reputation for being a white boys club. It needs to change if we're going to attract star players. I didn't do it, it just is.

For awhile now there's been tons of talk around the league for need for more black coaches in general. The league has mostly black players but mostly white coaches. Let's be leaders on that front and not part of the problem. It would go a long way.

And say we're hiring for the new head of our local chapter of the NAACP. I think 9 times out of 10 the best candidate for that job is going to be a black person, because of their experience as a black person helps them understand and do their job. And I don't think it's racist to acknowledge that.

Similarly, I feel the best candidate for Celtics coach is going to be a black person. Even if we feel uncomfortable putting it in those terms, it's just the truth. I'm not advocating for affirmative action. I'm saying being black makes you a better candidate for this job at this time. And there are a ton of very qualified black candidates so it really shouldn't be hard.

We just can't do this, the forum has proved we can't have the discussion calmly & fairly, so we just have to not do it.
So, this is a warning to drop it.
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Re: Who will coach the Celtics in 2021-22? 

Post#148 » by Curmudgeon » Mon Jun 7, 2021 6:15 pm

Sure, go with the optics of hiring a White guy to replace Ainge without conducting a search of external candidates and then hiring another White coach.

If two candidates, one White and one Black, are relatively equal, hire the Black candidate, especially if he's a former player. I would think that Cambridge Rindge and Latin product Patrick Ewing would be worth an interview if he's interested. Ewing paid his does for years and years before getting a head coaching gig at his alma mater.
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Post#149 » by djFan71 » Mon Jun 7, 2021 6:16 pm

We suck and can't have intelligent conversations on this topic here. Use the current affairs board or somewhere else. Or you'll get warnings. It's not fair to just do it for people the mods happen to diasgree with.
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Re: Who will coach the Celtics in 2021-22? 

Post#150 » by truth18 » Mon Jun 7, 2021 6:18 pm

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Post#151 » by ajones9219 » Mon Jun 7, 2021 6:19 pm

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Re: Who will coach the Celtics in 2021-22? 

Post#152 » by Curmudgeon » Mon Jun 7, 2021 6:23 pm

The coaching selection will have a bearing not only on whether or not Tatum stays, but also on attracting free agents going forward. So I think that, without being racist, race matters in a league where 80% of the players are Black, but where very deserving black candidates have not received head coaching offers. Why are Juwan Howard and Patrick Ewing coaching in college instead of in the NBA?
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Re: Who will coach the Celtics in 2021-22? 

Post#153 » by ajones9219 » Mon Jun 7, 2021 6:30 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:The coaching selection will have a bearing not only on whether or not Tatum stays, but also on attracting free agents going forward. So I think that, without being racist, race matters in a league where 80% of the players are Black, but where very deserving black candidates have not received head coaching offers. Why are Juwan Howard and Patrick Ewing coaching in college instead of in the NBA?


There isn't really a way to say "without racism" and follow it up by saying "we need to hire a black person no matter what." Again, all 3 of the candidates I want are black....but that has literally nothing to do with it and shouldn't. Also Juwan Howard and Ewing aren't head coaches maybe because its one of the most exclusive jobs in the world with only 30 positions. It's nothing against those guys. Besides I'm not even sure Howard would leave if offered. It seems like he loves it at Michigan.
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Re: Who will coach the Celtics in 2021-22? 

Post#154 » by Hal14 » Mon Jun 7, 2021 6:37 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:Sure, go with the optics of hiring a White guy to replace Ainge without conducting a search of external candidates and then hiring another White coach.

If two candidates, one White and one Black, are relatively equal, hire the Black candidate, especially if he's a former player. I would think that Cambridge Rindge and Latin product Patrick Ewing would be worth an interview if he's interested. Ewing paid his does for years and years before getting a head coaching gig at his alma mater.


I can see Ewing being a good choice.

He's done a good job at Georgetown. Georgetown his his alma mater though and Ewing took over as coach for the legend John Thompson who was Ewing's coach at Georgetown and mentor, who passed away in 2020. Not sure Ewing would leave quite yet, after only 4 seasons. He might feel like he owes his deceased mentor to stay on longer than that.

Coaching the celtics would be a more high profile gig and probably higher pay, but Ewing doesn't seem like the type of guy who cares as much about those things. He was a pretty quiet guy who didn't really seek out attention/publicity as a player - he probably likes how his current coaching job is a little more under the radar.
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Post#155 » by Shak_Celts » Mon Jun 7, 2021 6:51 pm

I don't care much about who they choose I just want to know who they chose. I'll get behind most of the coaches people have talked about or even a coach I have never heard of. Not Kidd. The coach will really matter to me when the playing begins. Can they coach is the bottom line because the paper won't matter when the games start.

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Post#156 » by Curmudgeon » Mon Jun 7, 2021 6:52 pm

You make the call to guys like Howard and Ewing to see if they are interested in interviewing. If the answer is no, so be it.
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Post#157 » by truth18 » Mon Jun 7, 2021 6:53 pm

Ewing hates Boston/Cambridge and I'll be honest, we don't really like him in Cambridge anymore either. Bad coach and a pretty meh personality off court.
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Post#158 » by BostonCouchGM » Mon Jun 7, 2021 7:13 pm

Ewing is a terrible coach and has done a remarkably awful job at Georgetown. He completely botched the McClung situation. His rotations are really bad and he plays favorites over talent. He's just not cut out to be a head coach on any level. I can't think of a worse candidate.
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Post#159 » by Hal14 » Mon Jun 7, 2021 7:47 pm

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Ewing hates Boston/Cambridge and I'll be honest, we don't really like him in Cambridge anymore either. Bad coach and a pretty meh personality off court.

bad coach based on what?
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Re: Who will coach the Celtics in 2021-22? 

Post#160 » by The Corey's » Mon Jun 7, 2021 7:57 pm

Hiring someone off if brads staff is ALMOST as bad as hiring Kidd.

This team is trying real hard to have the worst off-season possible.

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