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Post#141 » by 31to6 » Fri Feb 10, 2023 6:03 pm

themoneyteam2 wrote:I read this move as saying Muscala + buyout wing > Bey + buyout big.

Seems they could’ve sent 5 2nds for Bey but ultimately decided a backup wing like Bey really won’t be useful in playoffs (if JT or JB gets hurt you aren’t winning anyways). Feels like Bey would’ve been like Otto Porter was for GS last year playing spot mins here and there. They can grab a wing in buyout market to eat some regular season mins.

Muscala is a great shooting and gives them another piece to use in frontcourt depending on matchups. Highly doubt he plays in postseason and will be a better version of Theis imo who only played vs the Nets last year.

Seems like Brad valued Horford and Timelord getting rest down the stretch to be fresh for playoffs and see Muscala as someone who can be a good role player for those games when we’re without one or both of them. And maybe Muscala can be used in certain matchups in postseason for 5-10 mins, such as vs Philly to drag Embiid on perimeter

Ultimately this move doesn’t change the playoff rotation at all as the top 8 is set but I think it’ll be helpful in regular season to rest Al and Timelord in spots and is an upgrade over Kornet getting those mins


agreed -- Muscala is here to help reduce RS minutes, to maybe help the Cs get one or two more RS wins than they otherwise would, and to be available and ready if needed in the playoffs (easy to imagine he might be needed at some point -- even if briefly -- should the Cs make the long run they hope to)
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Post#142 » by shackles10 » Fri Feb 10, 2023 6:47 pm

themoneyteam2 wrote:I read this move as saying Muscala + buyout wing > Bey + buyout big.


Very interesting way to look at it. Maybe it’s just because we aren’t likely to be interested with acquiring Muscala, but doesn’t seem like many buy out big options after the deadline. Brad is a smart guy and I could see him considering what wings he could get as a buyout vs bigs on buyout when making calls and that had an impact on which direction we went trade wise.
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Post#143 » by Wes-J » Fri Feb 10, 2023 7:00 pm

As much it pains me that we had to acquire Rob insurance I'm sure as hell happy we didn't have to give up anything for it. Didn't like the idea of the Poetl rental at all. Muscala was a good find.
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Post#144 » by zoyathedestroya » Fri Feb 10, 2023 7:21 pm

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themoneyteam2 wrote:I read this move as saying Muscala + buyout wing > Bey + buyout big.


Very interesting way to look at it. Maybe it’s just because we aren’t likely to be interested with acquiring Muscala, but doesn’t seem like many buy out big options after the deadline. Brad is a smart guy and I could see him considering what wings he could get as a buyout vs bigs on buyout when making calls and that had an impact on which direction we went trade wise.

I see it as spending way less for a better, more good-looking Durant. Muscala is the OKC franchise GOAT.

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1. Mike Muscala
2. Al Horford
3. Danilo Gallinari

[small gap]

4. Justin Jackson

[huge gap]

5. Kevin Durant
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Post#145 » by Hal14 » Fri Feb 10, 2023 7:42 pm

themoneyteam2 wrote:I read this move as saying Muscala + buyout wing > Bey + buyout big.

I don't know if I'd read that deeply into it.

-You look at the moves Brad has made. The guys he's brought on. Guys like Al, Brogdon, Schroder, J-Rich, White, Muscala. These guys are all 27 years or older. Brad likes bringing on proven vets who are 27 or older. Bey is only 23.

-Still, to this moment, I have not seen any articles, any rumors, nothing that indicates were were interested in Bey

-Pretty much all of the articles, rumors, etc. that I have seen indicates the priority was adding a big over adding a wing. So, rather than the equation in your post, I think it's simply a matter of going for a big over a wing here. The articles said Brad was gonna use the TPE. You use the TPE because a) You have more control over the player you get, rather than not being able to control what players get bought out, can't control whether the player wants to sign here, etc. Plus, you can typically get a better player via trade, compared to the buyout market where it's the scraps that all teams throw the players they don't want. That's why the rumors were that we wanted a big via trade - either Olynyk, Poeltl or Muscala. We made an offer for Poeltl, the Spurs took a slightly better offer from the raptors. Brad didn't want to give up a 1st rounder for a guy who might just be a rental - so Brad was able to get a guy who could end up being just as good of a fit here at a fraction of the cost. Not sure it had anything to do with Bey.

-It may have been a slight factor that Brad looked at the potential buyout options and seen that there looks like more quality and quantity of wings who could get bought out (Ross, Green, Barton, Burks, Holiday, etc.) than bigs (Noel, Dedmon, Ibaka, Saric). The wing options look better to me, and clearly Brad thinks that a big is a bigger (pun intended) need. Plus, Brad and his staff obviously have more insider knowledge than we do, to know which of these guys are actually likely to get bought out, which of them are more likely to choose Boston, etc.

-If we did go for a wing, no guarantee it would have been Bey. Who knows, maybe they were interested in Mcdaniels? But chances are, Brad wasn't interested in either of them because they're so young. Plus, clearly Brad prefers to bring on guys who are ball movers and not ball stoppers. Someone already posted the stat about how Muscala is #1 in the NBA in shortest amount of time holding the ball per touch. Well, it seems like Bey is the opposite of that:

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Muscala is a more efficient shooter and a better defender than Bey, too.

Plus, Al played with Muscale in OKC and in ATL. I'm sure Brad talked to Al about this move too.

-Lastly, Detroit got Wiseman in the Bey deal. So who knows, maybe they wanted to keep Bey and were only going to trade him if they either got a 1st round pick in return or a player who was recently a top 5 pick. A contender isn't gonna want Wiseman. But DET is knee deep in a big rebuild. So why not take a chance on a guy who was the #2 pick in the draft? maybe they figure that he's been a disappointment because of injuries and not enough playing time on a team that just won a title. So they figure if they give Wiseman some minutes (saw a tweet that said they plan on moving Wiseman into the starting lineup) then he could flourish. We don't have anyone like that we could trade and 5 picks is a whole lot more than the 2 2nd rounders + Justin Jackson package that we gave up for Muscala.
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Post#146 » by sam_I_am » Fri Feb 10, 2023 7:58 pm

Nobody predicted Muscala. It’s the Brad way.
"I think the criticism's stupid," Stevens said. "So I don't care. I'm with Jaylen (Brown) on that. Those two had achieved more than most 25 and 26 year olds ever had. I'd rather be in the mix and have my guts ripped out than suck."
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Post#147 » by zoyathedestroya » Fri Feb 10, 2023 8:14 pm

sam_I_am wrote:Nobody predicted Muscala. It’s the Brad way.

I didn’t give a name but I nailed the profile.

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Post#148 » by zoyathedestroya » Fri Feb 10, 2023 11:06 pm

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In honor of his mom Mary Maida, born in 1957, who died last September after a two-year battle with cancer.

https://www.oklahoman.com/story/sports/nba/thunder/2022/09/29/okc-thunder-mike-muscala-mourns-his-mom-while-celebrating-her-spirit/69522860007/

Something him and Smart have in common.
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Post#149 » by bigfoot_cryptozoology » Fri Feb 10, 2023 11:12 pm

Credit Ben Hogan/SOSH for this...

Jared Weiss, from The Athletic, with an excellent Muscala recap/expected usage.

The Athletic is a very worthwhile subscription, that runs daily articles on the Celtics.

https://theathletic.com/4174496/2023/02/09/celtics-mike-muscala-trade/

Muscala’s core competency is pick-and-pop shooting, an important distinction compared to most floor spacers. Luke Kornet can space to the corners, Grant Williams can spot up and attack from the elbows, but Muscala lives above the break, the ideal spot to space out a big. He has the full array of shooting skills for a backup big, being able to catch and shoot from anywhere and even having a quick little pull-up 15-footer on the short roll.

He takes about a third of his 3s from the top of the arc, where he is hitting exactly a third of them (a percentage point below league average). But he ranks in the 99th percentile of above the break 3 frequency, per Cleaning the Glass, with only Kevin Love and Gorgui Dieng taking more of their shots from up there. At 40 percent, he ranks sixth among bigs in the league in hitting those shots on at least 50 attempts, just behind Al Horford.

But he’s more than just a shooter. Muscala is 10th in the league in points per possession as a roller/popper with at least 50 possessions, per Synergy. He hits a ton of 3s out of the pick-and-pop and hasn’t turned it over once this season in these actions....


Defensive limitations
With all of this offensive versatility, there’s a reason Muscala is a role player on a Play-In team. It’s not obvious, but it slowly crystallizes when watching him on defense over the course of the game. He’s a technically sound player who jumps into action right away, whether it’s to blitz the ball or drop off a screen. But when the offense gets to where it wants, his physical limitations show through.

Muscala moves his feet decently in space so that he can fill the lane off a pick-and-roll or rotate over to an open shooter, but he usually loses his leverage once they hit the gas. He can keep up with ballhandlers to force them toward help, but then he can’t get up in the air enough to affect their shot once that happens. Generally, he can stay in front of most players, but can’t keep them from getting to their spots...

He’s statistically an average defender going up against mostly second units, which is going to be his role unless Rob Williams and Horford are both hurt. He provides a balance between Grant Williams’ dynamism guarding pick-and-rolls or closeouts on the perimeter and Kornet’s reach to contest shots at the rim. But Kornet is a superior rim presence, and Williams is several levels better at containing penetration and closing out to shooters.
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Post#150 » by 165bows » Sat Feb 11, 2023 12:01 am

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sam_I_am wrote:Nobody predicted Muscala. It’s the Brad way.

I didn’t give a name but I nailed the profile.

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Haha contrary to popular opinion I think we’ve got Brad down pretty well around here.
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Post#152 » by Justin33 » Sat Feb 11, 2023 3:28 am

He's contributed more in one game than the 2 seconds and Jackson ever will
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Post#153 » by JimmyPlopper » Sat Feb 11, 2023 3:43 am

the moose is bound to be a fan favorite. good acquisition
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Post#154 » by Shak_Celts » Sat Feb 11, 2023 3:44 am

muscala was taken in the 2nd round before we picked... colton iverson. :lol:


edit: kelly o over giannis too. :o :cry:
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Post#155 » by zoyathedestroya » Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:01 am

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Post#156 » by zoyathedestroya » Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:05 am

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In honor of his mom Mary Maida, born in 1957, who died last September after a two-year battle with cancer.

https://www.oklahoman.com/story/sports/nba/thunder/2022/09/29/okc-thunder-mike-muscala-mourns-his-mom-while-celebrating-her-spirit/69522860007/

Something him and Smart have in common.


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Post#157 » by Bill Lumbergh » Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:10 am

zoyathedestroya wrote:
sam_I_am wrote:Nobody predicted Muscala. It’s the Brad way.

I didn’t give a name but I nailed the profile.

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I had that one nailed on Thurs, Feb 2. This was talking about speculation on Kelly O, but the profile is right.

"This is the kind of move that makes sense and is consistent with them bringing in smart, experienced vets like White and Brogdon. I don't think it'll be some young guy with potential. Offensively, Kelly gives you a lot of what Al does in terms of his three point shooting. Plus, he just knows how to play. Would not be displeased with this."

For some reason it keeps clipping off this in front of "viewtopic": https://forums.realgm.com/boards/

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Post#158 » by darrendaye » Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:16 am

Shak_Celts wrote:muscala was taken in the 2nd round before we picked... colton iverson. :lol:


edit: kelly o over giannis too. :o :cry:


You guys trying to kill me tonight. In game-thread a reference to James Young (I was so pissed they could not find a trade up to grab the falling Nurkic, who I touted with Smart as my fave options at 6, or, of course, not picking Jokic instead of Young. Then someone (I think it was Sam) posted about Rob's 70% FG game streak was ending. And now this, ugh, relived pain, I remember my turmoil in real time as that happened. Was sooooooooooooooo pumped thinking the trade-up was for Giannis. Good night, cruel world, uh, posters.
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Post#159 » by djFan71 » Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:36 am

darrendaye wrote:
Shak_Celts wrote:muscala was taken in the 2nd round before we picked... colton iverson. :lol:


edit: kelly o over giannis too. :o :cry:


You guys trying to kill me tonight. In game-thread a reference to James Young (I was so pissed they could not find a trade up to grab the falling Nurkic, who I touted with Smart as my fave options at 6, or, of course, not picking Jokic instead of Young. Then someone (I think it was Sam) posted about Rob's 70% FG game streak was ending. And now this, ugh, relived pain, I remember my turmoil in real time as that happened. Was sooooooooooooooo pumped thinking the trade-up was for Giannis. Good night, cruel world, uh, posters.

I will vouch for your Jokic love in that draft. I thought we redeemed ourselves with Zizic later, lol.
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Post#160 » by Hal14 » Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:37 am

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In honor of his mom Mary Maida, born in 1957, who died last September after a two-year battle with cancer.

https://www.oklahoman.com/story/sports/nba/thunder/2022/09/29/okc-thunder-mike-muscala-mourns-his-mom-while-celebrating-her-spirit/69522860007/

Something him and Smart have in common.


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Even Scal didn’t know why he chose 57.

Props, Zoya. You knew it before Scal, Forsberg, Taylor Snow. Keith Smith even tweeted about how he didn't know why he was wearing 57.

They said it on the broadcast. But you said it on here way before that!
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