Lillard (signs with Blazers 7/17/25)

[jfs1000d]

Here is AI on Lillard. There is no bidding war to be had for his services.

If Damian Lillard is waived and then signs with another NBA team, his previous contract with the Bucks will be offset by the amount of his new contract. This means that whatever salary Lillard earns from his new team will be subtracted from what the Bucks still owe him for the remaining years of his original contract.
For example, if Lillard was owed $54.1 million for the upcoming season and signs with a new team for $5 million, the Bucks would only need to pay him $49.1 million for that season. This offset applies for the duration of the guaranteed money he was owed, typically for the next two seasons in this case.
Because of this offset rule, there is little financial incentive for Lillard to sign for more than the minimum with his next team, since any additional salary he earns would just reduce the amount the Bucks owe him. This allows him to choose a team based on fit or championship potential without sacrificing his total earnings


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Yes, the Milwaukee Bucks can get a salary offset if Damian Lillard signs with another team after being waived, but the offset only impacts their luxury tax situation, not their immediate cap space. The offset is calculated as the difference between Lillard's new contract and the veteran's minimum salary, divided by two. Even if Lillard signs for the minimum, the Bucks can only potentially benefit by a small amount (around $775,000 per year).

Here's a more detailed explanation:
Waiving and Stretching:
The Bucks waived Lillard and stretched his remaining contract (two years, $113 million) over five years, meaning they'll pay him $22.5 million per year for the next five years.
Luxury Tax Offset:
When a player is waived and stretched, their salary counts against the team's luxury tax, but the team can receive a salary offset if the player signs with another team.
Offset Calculation:
The offset is calculated by subtracting the veteran's minimum salary (around $2.05 million for a player with Lillard's experience) from the new contract's salary and dividing the result by two.
Limited Impact:
Even if Lillard signs for the maximum amount, the offset is limited by the veteran's minimum. For example, if he signs for the minimum, the Bucks would only see a benefit of about $775,000 per year.
Focus on Luxury Tax:
The offset primarily affects the Bucks' luxury tax bill, not their ability to sign players.
Lillard's Flexibility:
Lillard can essentially sign with any team he chooses, even for the minimum, as his full salary will still be paid by the Bucks.

There is some context that isn't precise, but I believe this is broadly correct.

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[grindtime22]

Here is AI on Lillard. There is no bidding war to be had for his services.

If Damian Lillard is waived and then signs with another NBA team, his previous contract with the Bucks will be offset by the amount of his new contract. This means that whatever salary Lillard earns from his new team will be subtracted from what the Bucks still owe him for the remaining years of his original contract.
For example, if Lillard was owed $54.1 million for the upcoming season and signs with a new team for $5 million, the Bucks would only need to pay him $49.1 million for that season. This offset applies for the duration of the guaranteed money he was owed, typically for the next two seasons in this case.
Because of this offset rule, there is little financial incentive for Lillard to sign for more than the minimum with his next team, since any additional salary he earns would just reduce the amount the Bucks owe him. This allows him to choose a team based on fit or championship potential without sacrificing his total earnings


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Here is what google search "AI" shows when asking "can bucks offset damian lillards salary when he signs with new team"

Yes, the Milwaukee Bucks can get a salary offset if Damian Lillard signs with another team after being waived, but the offset only impacts their luxury tax situation, not their immediate cap space. The offset is calculated as the difference between Lillard's new contract and the veteran's minimum salary, divided by two. Even if Lillard signs for the minimum, the Bucks can only potentially benefit by a small amount (around $775,000 per year).

Here's a more detailed explanation:
Waiving and Stretching:
The Bucks waived Lillard and stretched his remaining contract (two years, $113 million) over five years, meaning they'll pay him $22.5 million per year for the next five years.
Luxury Tax Offset:
When a player is waived and stretched, their salary counts against the team's luxury tax, but the team can receive a salary offset if the player signs with another team.
Offset Calculation:
The offset is calculated by subtracting the veteran's minimum salary (around $2.05 million for a player with Lillard's experience) from the new contract's salary and dividing the result by two.
Limited Impact:
Even if Lillard signs for the maximum amount, the offset is limited by the veteran's minimum. For example, if he signs for the minimum, the Bucks would only see a benefit of about $775,000 per year.
Focus on Luxury Tax:
The offset primarily affects the Bucks' luxury tax bill, not their ability to sign players.
Lillard's Flexibility:
Lillard can essentially sign with any team he chooses, even for the minimum, as his full salary will still be paid by the Bucks.

There is some context that isn't precise, but I believe this is broadly correct.

Used perplexity. U think it is best research one.


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No clue, just curious

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I've never heard anything remotely like that before. Is it Lillard-specific? Standard practice? General CBA-forced practice?

I'm looking, maybe I'm wrong with the current CBA. Research on this is significantly harder without cbafaq continuing. This was for sure the formula on the prior CBA.

Here is some evidence

Read on Twitter

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Keith is still linking to this part of cbafaq so I'm going to assume the formula carried over to the new CBA. I believe the 1 year vet minimum is used so you are basically looking at 2 million for that to make it simple.

If you sign him for 10, the Bucks can only offset 4. They can only get offsets this year and next.

Yes, but is that a reduction in cash paid to Lillard, or is it just salary cap relief?

Smitty's phrasing sounds like it's the latter.

[Fencer reregistered]

Here is AI on Lillard. There is no bidding war to be had for his services.

If Damian Lillard is waived and then signs with another NBA team, his previous contract with the Bucks will be offset by the amount of his new contract. This means that whatever salary Lillard earns from his new team will be subtracted from what the Bucks still owe him for the remaining years of his original contract.
For example, if Lillard was owed $54.1 million for the upcoming season and signs with a new team for $5 million, the Bucks would only need to pay him $49.1 million for that season. This offset applies for the duration of the guaranteed money he was owed, typically for the next two seasons in this case.
Because of this offset rule, there is little financial incentive for Lillard to sign for more than the minimum with his next team, since any additional salary he earns would just reduce the amount the Bucks owe him. This allows him to choose a team based on fit or championship potential without sacrificing his total earnings


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Here is what google search "AI" shows when asking "can bucks offset damian lillards salary when he signs with new team"

Yes, the Milwaukee Bucks can get a salary offset if Damian Lillard signs with another team after being waived, but the offset only impacts their luxury tax situation, not their immediate cap space. The offset is calculated as the difference between Lillard's new contract and the veteran's minimum salary, divided by two. Even if Lillard signs for the minimum, the Bucks can only potentially benefit by a small amount (around $775,000 per year).

Here's a more detailed explanation:
Waiving and Stretching:
The Bucks waived Lillard and stretched his remaining contract (two years, $113 million) over five years, meaning they'll pay him $22.5 million per year for the next five years.
Luxury Tax Offset:
When a player is waived and stretched, their salary counts against the team's luxury tax, but the team can receive a salary offset if the player signs with another team.
Offset Calculation:
The offset is calculated by subtracting the veteran's minimum salary (around $2.05 million for a player with Lillard's experience) from the new contract's salary and dividing the result by two.
Limited Impact:
Even if Lillard signs for the maximum amount, the offset is limited by the veteran's minimum. For example, if he signs for the minimum, the Bucks would only see a benefit of about $775,000 per year.
Focus on Luxury Tax:
The offset primarily affects the Bucks' luxury tax bill, not their ability to sign players.
Lillard's Flexibility:
Lillard can essentially sign with any team he chooses, even for the minimum, as his full salary will still be paid by the Bucks.

There is some context that isn't precise, but I believe this is broadly correct.

I highlighted the key part.

Thanks for working through all this!

[chrisab123]

I still say this guy is a lock for South Beach. I don’t care what BS poster on twitter from Revere says. He’s not coming. In the event that he did, let’s just say for **** and giggles he called the Celtics and was like “to hell with no taxes, beautiful weather, beautiful women, and endorsements, I want to ball with my buddy” then yeah it would probably work for a year or two which is all you really need.

But he’s going be on the court for opening night in 26-27. It might even be in Boston, but it will be in a Miami Heat uniform.

The taxes thing is so overdone. He will
Be on a minimum deal. His bucks salary isnt gonna be taxed in Boston. Only his minimum salary, and I my for games okayed in Boston.

No one makes that decision based in taxes. And, beautiful women? They are beautiful women everywhere. Dime a dozen in fact. And lillard is 37. He don't want a 24 year old hanger on. He’s a grown up.


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I do appreciate your optimism but the fact is that Boston doesn’t have anything that would be considered more attractive than Miami to a rich mid 30s NBA player. Or just in general. While you might rather keep it real and spend your winters in 20 degree snowy weather Dame is probably not going to opt for that nonsense.

[djFan71]

I still say this guy is a lock for South Beach. I don’t care what BS poster on twitter from Revere says. He’s not coming. In the event that he did, let’s just say for **** and giggles he called the Celtics and was like “to hell with no taxes, beautiful weather, beautiful women, and endorsements, I want to ball with my buddy” then yeah it would probably work for a year or two which is all you really need.

But he’s going be on the court for opening night in 26-27. It might even be in Boston, but it will be in a Miami Heat uniform.

The taxes thing is so overdone. He will
Be on a minimum deal. His bucks salary isnt gonna be taxed in Boston. Only his minimum salary, and I my for games okayed in Boston.

No one makes that decision based in taxes. And, beautiful women? They are beautiful women everywhere. Dime a dozen in fact. And lillard is 37. He don't want a 24 year old hanger on. He’s a grown up.


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I do appreciate your optimism but the fact is that Boston doesn’t have anything that would be considered more attractive than Miami to a rich mid 30s NBA player. Or just in general. While you might rather keep it real and spend your winters in 20 degree snowy weather Dame is probably not going to opt for that nonsense.

Better team for 26-27 is the main selling point. Guy to rehab with, I guess, but doubt that's as big a factor.

[Hal14]

The taxes thing is so overdone. He will
Be on a minimum deal. His bucks salary isnt gonna be taxed in Boston. Only his minimum salary, and I my for games okayed in Boston.

No one makes that decision based in taxes. And, beautiful women? They are beautiful women everywhere. Dime a dozen in fact. And lillard is 37. He don't want a 24 year old hanger on. He’s a grown up.


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I do appreciate your optimism but the fact is that Boston doesn’t have anything that would be considered more attractive than Miami to a rich mid 30s NBA player. Or just in general. While you might rather keep it real and spend your winters in 20 degree snowy weather Dame is probably not going to opt for that nonsense.

Better team for 26-27 is the main selling point. Guy to rehab with, I guess, but doubt that's as big a factor.

I wonder if it's a factor that rumor has it, Boston would want to bring Dame off the bench if he came here.

Assuming he would be the starting PG in Miami (or anywhere else he went)..

Plus, in boston he'd probably have less touches, less usage, less FGA than anywhere else he would go since we have the Jays, white, pritchard, possibly simons too..

He might be the no. 1 option in Miami..

[jfs1000d]

I still say this guy is a lock for South Beach. I don’t care what BS poster on twitter from Revere says. He’s not coming. In the event that he did, let’s just say for **** and giggles he called the Celtics and was like “to hell with no taxes, beautiful weather, beautiful women, and endorsements, I want to ball with my buddy” then yeah it would probably work for a year or two which is all you really need.

But he’s going be on the court for opening night in 26-27. It might even be in Boston, but it will be in a Miami Heat uniform.

The taxes thing is so overdone. He will
Be on a minimum deal. His bucks salary isnt gonna be taxed in Boston. Only his minimum salary, and I my for games okayed in Boston.

No one makes that decision based in taxes. And, beautiful women? They are beautiful women everywhere. Dime a dozen in fact. And lillard is 37. He don't want a 24 year old hanger on. He’s a grown up.


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I do appreciate your optimism but the fact is that Boston doesn’t have anything that would be considered more attractive than Miami to a rich mid 30s NBA player. Or just in general. While you might rather keep it real and spend your winters in 20 degree snowy weather Dame is probably not going to opt for that nonsense.

Snow and cold? Lol. He is an adult. He is a basketball player. He ain't hanging out on his boat in the off days. Best fit for hoops > weather.

Boston is a world class city. There is a reason people are here and not every business in America in Miami. Lol.

Miami is over. Orlando and the I-4 is where growth is in state.

If he thinks Miami he can be a title contender, then he would go there. But right now Miami isn't that this year or next.

Btw. What free agent outside of the lebron/Bosh has chosen Miami?


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[Celts17Pride]

Read on Twitter

This guy seems to think it's a done deal whoever he is. I guess we all will find out about his credibility later on.

[chrisab123]

The taxes thing is so overdone. He will
Be on a minimum deal. His bucks salary isnt gonna be taxed in Boston. Only his minimum salary, and I my for games okayed in Boston.

No one makes that decision based in taxes. And, beautiful women? They are beautiful women everywhere. Dime a dozen in fact. And lillard is 37. He don't want a 24 year old hanger on. He’s a grown up.


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I do appreciate your optimism but the fact is that Boston doesn’t have anything that would be considered more attractive than Miami to a rich mid 30s NBA player. Or just in general. While you might rather keep it real and spend your winters in 20 degree snowy weather Dame is probably not going to opt for that nonsense.

Snow and cold? Lol. He is an adult. He is a basketball player. He ain't hanging out on his boat in the off days. Best fit for hoops > weather.

Boston is a world class city. There is a reason people are here and not every business in America in Miami. Lol.

Miami is over. Orlando and the I-4 is where growth is in state.

If he thinks Miami he can be a title contender, then he would go there. But right now Miami isn't that this year or next.

Btw. What free agent outside of the lebron/Bosh has chosen Miami?


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Jimmy Butler S&T and Ray Allen come to mind immediately. If you want to go further back there was the stuff with Alonzo Mourning where he had a year left on his deal and depending on who you ask Riley tampered and Charlotte had him traded there.

Boston is nowhere close to the draw Miami is for an NBA player. I love the city too but let’s be real. Orlando is literally a theme park city surrounded by meth. I’ve lived in both places.

Again, do you think that an NBA player would rather shovel snow in November or sit on a beach? Simple question.

[chrisab123]

Read on Twitter

This guy seems to think it's a done deal whoever he is. I guess we all will find out about his credibility later on.

Why is some random from Revere being quoted on here? Someone already debunked this guy in this thread as changing his posts when he’s wrong.

[grindtime22]

Here is AI on Lillard. There is no bidding war to be had for his services.

If Damian Lillard is waived and then signs with another NBA team, his previous contract with the Bucks will be offset by the amount of his new contract. This means that whatever salary Lillard earns from his new team will be subtracted from what the Bucks still owe him for the remaining years of his original contract.
For example, if Lillard was owed $54.1 million for the upcoming season and signs with a new team for $5 million, the Bucks would only need to pay him $49.1 million for that season. This offset applies for the duration of the guaranteed money he was owed, typically for the next two seasons in this case.
Because of this offset rule, there is little financial incentive for Lillard to sign for more than the minimum with his next team, since any additional salary he earns would just reduce the amount the Bucks owe him. This allows him to choose a team based on fit or championship potential without sacrificing his total earnings


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What AI did you use?

Here is what google search "AI" shows when asking "can bucks offset damian lillards salary when he signs with new team"

Yes, the Milwaukee Bucks can get a salary offset if Damian Lillard signs with another team after being waived, but the offset only impacts their luxury tax situation, not their immediate cap space. The offset is calculated as the difference between Lillard's new contract and the veteran's minimum salary, divided by two. Even if Lillard signs for the minimum, the Bucks can only potentially benefit by a small amount (around $775,000 per year).

Here's a more detailed explanation:
Waiving and Stretching:
The Bucks waived Lillard and stretched his remaining contract (two years, $113 million) over five years, meaning they'll pay him $22.5 million per year for the next five years.
Luxury Tax Offset:
When a player is waived and stretched, their salary counts against the team's luxury tax, but the team can receive a salary offset if the player signs with another team.
Offset Calculation:
The offset is calculated by subtracting the veteran's minimum salary (around $2.05 million for a player with Lillard's experience) from the new contract's salary and dividing the result by two.
Limited Impact:
Even if Lillard signs for the maximum amount, the offset is limited by the veteran's minimum. For example, if he signs for the minimum, the Bucks would only see a benefit of about $775,000 per year.
Focus on Luxury Tax:
The offset primarily affects the Bucks' luxury tax bill, not their ability to sign players.
Lillard's Flexibility:
Lillard can essentially sign with any team he chooses, even for the minimum, as his full salary will still be paid by the Bucks.

There is some context that isn't precise, but I believe this is broadly correct.

I highlighted the key part.

Thanks for working through all this!

I'm not sure about that part though. I wouldn't take that as gospel. That whole section was just a google AI copy and paste. That whole thing isn't 100% correct, but it is trying.

Sorry to add to the confusion. The NBA CBA and specifically these setoffs are not a wildly discussed subject with a ton of sources to pull from. These AI searches are struggling to put it all together on this subject.

I don't think the Bucks have to pay that setoff. If he signs for the minimum, they will get a reduction of less than a million dollars. He he signs for 10, they are off the hook for 4 (I think).

Here is the part from CBAFAQ that I think still applies

If another team signs a player who has cleared waivers, the player's original team is allowed to reduce the amount of money it still owes the player (and lower its team salary2) by a commensurate amount. This is called the right of set-off. This is true if the player signs with any professional team -- it does not have to be an NBA team. The amount the original team gets to set off is limited to one-half the difference between the player's new salary and the minimum salary for a one-year veteran during the season in which the player is waived (if the player is a rookie, then the rookie minimum is used instead).

For example, suppose a fifth-year player is waived with one guaranteed season remaining on his contract for $5 million. If this player signs a $2 million contract with another team for the 2017-18 season, his original team gets to set off $2 million minus $1,312,611 (the minimum salary for a one-year veteran in 2017-18), divided by two, or $343,694. The team is still responsible for paying $4,656,306 of the original $5 million. Note that between his prior team and new team the player will earn a combined $6,656,306, which was more than he earned prior to being waived.

If a player has been waived and his salary has been stretched, his salary can be set-off only during the original term of the contract. For example, suppose a player is signed for 2017-18 and 2018-19, and he is waived during the 2017-18 season, with his 2018-19 salary stretched across 2018-19, 2019-20 and 2020-21. If the player signs with another team, only his 2017-18 and/or 2018-19 salary can be set off.

[jfs1000d]

I do appreciate your optimism but the fact is that Boston doesn’t have anything that would be considered more attractive than Miami to a rich mid 30s NBA player. Or just in general. While you might rather keep it real and spend your winters in 20 degree snowy weather Dame is probably not going to opt for that nonsense.

Snow and cold? Lol. He is an adult. He is a basketball player. He ain't hanging out on his boat in the off days. Best fit for hoops > weather.

Boston is a world class city. There is a reason people are here and not every business in America in Miami. Lol.

Miami is over. Orlando and the I-4 is where growth is in state.

If he thinks Miami he can be a title contender, then he would go there. But right now Miami isn't that this year or next.

Btw. What free agent outside of the lebron/Bosh has chosen Miami?


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Jimmy Butler S&T and Ray Allen come to mind immediately. If you want to go further back there was the stuff with Alonzo Mourning where he had a year left on his deal and depending on who you ask Riley tampered and Charlotte had him traded there.

Boston is nowhere close to the draw Miami is for an NBA player. I love the city too but let’s be real. Orlando is literally a theme park city surrounded by meth. I’ve lived in both places.

Again, do you think that an NBA player would rather shovel snow in November or sit on a beach? Simple question.

Nba players don't shovel snow. Duncan Robinson left, max strus left, gabe Vincent left. Butler left, Lebron left. Miami Lebron has no legacy.

Ray Allen left because Bostin because he thought he had better chance at a title in miami. Ray loved Boston and the Northeast. Alonzo Mourning? That was a generation ago and he initially didn't want to go.

Miami is an attractive place to live as a wealthy person. But Lilliard isn't going to a place he doesn't think is title capable. Lilliard needs a No. 1.

Bam is a No. 2, 3 on a title team. Hero a No. 3 or No. 4.

If they can get giannis, then Lilliard signs there. But weather is ancillary. Nba season is 10 months. You are on the road for three of those months.

Miami Marlins, Miami Dolphins, Florida Panthers - none of those places are super free agent draws.




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[The_Ghost_of_JB]

Since when are we taking some randos word from Revere about news?

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This guy seems to think it's a done deal whoever he is. I guess we all will find out about his credibility later on.

That's not what my sauces told me.

[jfs1000d]

What AI did you use?

Here is what google search "AI" shows when asking "can bucks offset damian lillards salary when he signs with new team"



There is some context that isn't precise, but I believe this is broadly correct.

I highlighted the key part.

Thanks for working through all this!

I'm not sure about that part though. I wouldn't take that as gospel. That whole section was just a google AI copy and paste. That whole thing isn't 100% correct, but it is trying.

Sorry to add to the confusion. The NBA CBA and specifically these setoffs are not a wildly discussed subject with a ton of sources to pull from. These AI searches are struggling to put it all together on this subject.

I don't think the Bucks have to pay that setoff. If he signs for the minimum, they will get a reduction of less than a million dollars. He he signs for 10, they are off the hook for 4 (I think).

Here is the part from CBAFAQ that I think still applies

If another team signs a player who has cleared waivers, the player's original team is allowed to reduce the amount of money it still owes the player (and lower its team salary2) by a commensurate amount. This is called the right of set-off. This is true if the player signs with any professional team -- it does not have to be an NBA team. The amount the original team gets to set off is limited to one-half the difference between the player's new salary and the minimum salary for a one-year veteran during the season in which the player is waived (if the player is a rookie, then the rookie minimum is used instead).

For example, suppose a fifth-year player is waived with one guaranteed season remaining on his contract for $5 million. If this player signs a $2 million contract with another team for the 2017-18 season, his original team gets to set off $2 million minus $1,312,611 (the minimum salary for a one-year veteran in 2017-18), divided by two, or $343,694. The team is still responsible for paying $4,656,306 of the original $5 million. Note that between his prior team and new team the player will earn a combined $6,656,306, which was more than he earned prior to being waived.

If a player has been waived and his salary has been stretched, his salary can be set-off only during the original term of the contract. For example, suppose a player is signed for 2017-18 and 2018-19, and he is waived during the 2017-18 season, with his 2018-19 salary stretched across 2018-19, 2019-20 and 2020-21. If the player signs with another team, only his 2017-18 and/or 2018-19 salary can be set off.

Dame can sign a two minimum, and for those two years, the bucks can get a set off. It seems like reading above i

So, set off = salary- minimum salary.

So he gets $50M + plus minimum. Everything else reduces bucks burden.

That is very good for us.

More AI with that specific question: per perplexity

When an NBA team **waives and stretches** a player, they use the **stretch provision** to spread the player's remaining guaranteed salary—and the associated salary cap hit—over a longer period. The **set-off rules** determine how much of this stretched amount can be reduced if the player signs with another team.

### How the Stretch Provision Works

- **Eligibility:** The stretch provision can be applied if the player has at least $250,000 in guaranteed salary remaining[1][8][10].
- **Timing:** If the player is waived between July 1 and August 31, the remaining salary is stretched over **twice the number of years left on the contract plus one**. For example, if two years remain, the cap hit is spread over five years[2][3][8][10].
- **Cap Hit:** The total guaranteed salary is divided evenly over the stretch period, reducing the annual cap hit but extending its duration[1][3][8][10].

### Set-Off Rules for Waived and Stretched Players

- If the waived player signs with another NBA team, the **original team can reduce (set off) the amount they owe by a portion of the new salary** the player receives from the new team[5][8].
- The **set-off amount** is calculated based on the unearned base compensation in each salary cap year of the original contract—not how the payments are actually stretched. This means the set-off is determined by the original contract's schedule, not the stretched payment plan[5].
- The set-off only applies to the portion of the new salary that exceeds the league minimum for that year. Only the amount above the minimum can be used to reduce the original team's obligation[8].

> "If the player subsequently earns compensation from another professional basketball team triggering a right of set-off...the amount of set-off to which the First Team may be entitled shall be calculated based on the unearned Base Compensation in respect of each Salary Cap Year covered by the term of the First Contract (and not with regard to how such protected Base Compensation amounts are payable to the player pursuant to the mandatory stretch provision)"[5].

### Key Points

- **Set-off reduces the waiving team's cap hit only if the player signs elsewhere for more than the minimum.**
- **The set-off is based on the original contract years, not the stretched years.**
- **The player cannot re-sign with the waiving team until the original contract would have expired[8].**

This mechanism helps teams manage their salary cap more flexibly while ensuring players still receive their guaranteed money, subject to reduction if they find new employment above the minimum salary elsewhere.

Sources
[1] Hoops Rumors Glossary: Stretch Provision https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2023/03/hoops-rumors-glossary-stretch-provision-2.html
[2] EJ Kusnyer | NBA Waive & Stretch Provision Explained …and how ... https://www.instagram.com/reel/DL0DKeXspwt/
[3] Milwaukee Bucks waive Damian Lillard: How does the NBA's stretch ... https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/article/milwaukee-bucks-waive-damian-lillard-how-does-the-nbas-stretch-provision-work-162755266.html
[4] RULE NO 3: Players, Substitutes and Coaches https://official.nba.com/rule-no-3-players-substitutes-and-coaches/
[5] Article 27 RIGHT OF SET-OFF | NBA Collective Bargaining Agreement https://atlhawksfanatic.github.io/NBA-CBA/right-of-set-off.html
[6] For NBA Free Agents, the Stretch Provision Comes With Cash and Complication https://www.si.com/nba/2019/01/10/nba-free-agency-stretch-provision-spencer-hawes-joakim-noah-knicks-lakers
[7] How do waived players/contracts work in the NBA - Reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1lqoa8a/how_do_waived_playerscontracts_work_in_the_nba/
[8] CBA Explained: The Stretch Provision | SLAM https://www.slamonline.com/news/nba/cba-explained-the-stretch-provision/
[9] What does stretch and waive mean in the NBA? Taking a closer look at the stretch provision https://www.sportskeeda.com/basketball/what-stretch-waive-mean-nba-taking-closer-look-stretch-provision
[10] What is a Stretch and Waive Contract? Here's How Suns' Front Office Created $3.65 Million Cap Space by Waiving Nassir Little https://www.essentiallysports.com/nba-active-basketball-news-what-is-a-stretch-and-waive-contract-heres-how-suns-front-office-created-three-six-five-million-cap-space-by-waiving-nassir-little/
[11] How it Works: The Waiver Procedure and Contract Buyouts https://moorebasketball.com/2016/01/19/how-it-works-the-waiver-procedure-and-contract-buyouts/



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I highlighted the key part.

Thanks for working through all this!

I'm not sure about that part though. I wouldn't take that as gospel. That whole section was just a google AI copy and paste. That whole thing isn't 100% correct, but it is trying.

Sorry to add to the confusion. The NBA CBA and specifically these setoffs are not a wildly discussed subject with a ton of sources to pull from. These AI searches are struggling to put it all together on this subject.

I don't think the Bucks have to pay that setoff. If he signs for the minimum, they will get a reduction of less than a million dollars. He he signs for 10, they are off the hook for 4 (I think).

Here is the part from CBAFAQ that I think still applies

If another team signs a player who has cleared waivers, the player's original team is allowed to reduce the amount of money it still owes the player (and lower its team salary2) by a commensurate amount. This is called the right of set-off. This is true if the player signs with any professional team -- it does not have to be an NBA team. The amount the original team gets to set off is limited to one-half the difference between the player's new salary and the minimum salary for a one-year veteran during the season in which the player is waived (if the player is a rookie, then the rookie minimum is used instead).

For example, suppose a fifth-year player is waived with one guaranteed season remaining on his contract for $5 million. If this player signs a $2 million contract with another team for the 2017-18 season, his original team gets to set off $2 million minus $1,312,611 (the minimum salary for a one-year veteran in 2017-18), divided by two, or $343,694. The team is still responsible for paying $4,656,306 of the original $5 million. Note that between his prior team and new team the player will earn a combined $6,656,306, which was more than he earned prior to being waived.

If a player has been waived and his salary has been stretched, his salary can be set-off only during the original term of the contract. For example, suppose a player is signed for 2017-18 and 2018-19, and he is waived during the 2017-18 season, with his 2018-19 salary stretched across 2018-19, 2019-20 and 2020-21. If the player signs with another team, only his 2017-18 and/or 2018-19 salary can be set off.

Dame can sign a two minimum, and for those two years, the bucks can get a set off. It seems like reading above is it 1/2?

So, set off = salary- minimum salary/2
Is the setiff amount. Is that what I am seeing?

More AI with that specific question: per perplexity

When an NBA team **waives and stretches** a player, they use the **stretch provision** to spread the player's remaining guaranteed salary—and the associated salary cap hit—over a longer period. The **set-off rules** determine how much of this stretched amount can be reduced if the player signs with another team.

### How the Stretch Provision Works

- **Eligibility:** The stretch provision can be applied if the player has at least $250,000 in guaranteed salary remaining[1][8][10].
- **Timing:** If the player is waived between July 1 and August 31, the remaining salary is stretched over **twice the number of years left on the contract plus one**. For example, if two years remain, the cap hit is spread over five years[2][3][8][10].
- **Cap Hit:** The total guaranteed salary is divided evenly over the stretch period, reducing the annual cap hit but extending its duration[1][3][8][10].

### Set-Off Rules for Waived and Stretched Players

- If the waived player signs with another NBA team, the **original team can reduce (set off) the amount they owe by a portion of the new salary** the player receives from the new team[5][8].
- The **set-off amount** is calculated based on the unearned base compensation in each salary cap year of the original contract—not how the payments are actually stretched. This means the set-off is determined by the original contract's schedule, not the stretched payment plan[5].
- The set-off only applies to the portion of the new salary that exceeds the league minimum for that year. Only the amount above the minimum can be used to reduce the original team's obligation[8].

> "If the player subsequently earns compensation from another professional basketball team triggering a right of set-off...the amount of set-off to which the First Team may be entitled shall be calculated based on the unearned Base Compensation in respect of each Salary Cap Year covered by the term of the First Contract (and not with regard to how such protected Base Compensation amounts are payable to the player pursuant to the mandatory stretch provision)"[5].

### Key Points

- **Set-off reduces the waiving team's cap hit only if the player signs elsewhere for more than the minimum.**
- **The set-off is based on the original contract years, not the stretched years.**
- **The player cannot re-sign with the waiving team until the original contract would have expired[8].**

This mechanism helps teams manage their salary cap more flexibly while ensuring players still receive their guaranteed money, subject to reduction if they find new employment above the minimum salary elsewhere.

Sources
[1] Hoops Rumors Glossary: Stretch Provision https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2023/03/hoops-rumors-glossary-stretch-provision-2.html
[2] EJ Kusnyer | NBA Waive & Stretch Provision Explained …and how ... https://www.instagram.com/reel/DL0DKeXspwt/
[3] Milwaukee Bucks waive Damian Lillard: How does the NBA's stretch ... https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/article/milwaukee-bucks-waive-damian-lillard-how-does-the-nbas-stretch-provision-work-162755266.html
[4] RULE NO 3: Players, Substitutes and Coaches https://official.nba.com/rule-no-3-players-substitutes-and-coaches/
[5] Article 27 RIGHT OF SET-OFF | NBA Collective Bargaining Agreement https://atlhawksfanatic.github.io/NBA-CBA/right-of-set-off.html
[6] For NBA Free Agents, the Stretch Provision Comes With Cash and Complication https://www.si.com/nba/2019/01/10/nba-free-agency-stretch-provision-spencer-hawes-joakim-noah-knicks-lakers
[7] How do waived players/contracts work in the NBA - Reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1lqoa8a/how_do_waived_playerscontracts_work_in_the_nba/
[8] CBA Explained: The Stretch Provision | SLAM https://www.slamonline.com/news/nba/cba-explained-the-stretch-provision/
[9] What does stretch and waive mean in the NBA? Taking a closer look at the stretch provision https://www.sportskeeda.com/basketball/what-stretch-waive-mean-nba-taking-closer-look-stretch-provision
[10] What is a Stretch and Waive Contract? Here's How Suns' Front Office Created $3.65 Million Cap Space by Waiving Nassir Little https://www.essentiallysports.com/nba-active-basketball-news-what-is-a-stretch-and-waive-contract-heres-how-suns-front-office-created-three-six-five-million-cap-space-by-waiving-nassir-little/
[11] How it Works: The Waiver Procedure and Contract Buyouts https://moorebasketball.com/2016/01/19/how-it-works-the-waiver-procedure-and-contract-buyouts/



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So the only way offsets happen is any dollar that Dame earns above the league minimum for year 1 and 2.

So he has no incentive to sign with another team for larger than the league minimum for this season and next.


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[keevsnick1]

I'm not sure about that part though. I wouldn't take that as gospel. That whole section was just a google AI copy and paste. That whole thing isn't 100% correct, but it is trying.

Sorry to add to the confusion. The NBA CBA and specifically these setoffs are not a wildly discussed subject with a ton of sources to pull from. These AI searches are struggling to put it all together on this subject.

I don't think the Bucks have to pay that setoff. If he signs for the minimum, they will get a reduction of less than a million dollars. He he signs for 10, they are off the hook for 4 (I think).

Here is the part from CBAFAQ that I think still applies

If another team signs a player who has cleared waivers, the player's original team is allowed to reduce the amount of money it still owes the player (and lower its team salary2) by a commensurate amount. This is called the right of set-off. This is true if the player signs with any professional team -- it does not have to be an NBA team. The amount the original team gets to set off is limited to one-half the difference between the player's new salary and the minimum salary for a one-year veteran during the season in which the player is waived (if the player is a rookie, then the rookie minimum is used instead).

For example, suppose a fifth-year player is waived with one guaranteed season remaining on his contract for $5 million. If this player signs a $2 million contract with another team for the 2017-18 season, his original team gets to set off $2 million minus $1,312,611 (the minimum salary for a one-year veteran in 2017-18), divided by two, or $343,694. The team is still responsible for paying $4,656,306 of the original $5 million. Note that between his prior team and new team the player will earn a combined $6,656,306, which was more than he earned prior to being waived.

If a player has been waived and his salary has been stretched, his salary can be set-off only during the original term of the contract. For example, suppose a player is signed for 2017-18 and 2018-19, and he is waived during the 2017-18 season, with his 2018-19 salary stretched across 2018-19, 2019-20 and 2020-21. If the player signs with another team, only his 2017-18 and/or 2018-19 salary can be set off.

Dame can sign a two minimum, and for those two years, the bucks can get a set off. It seems like reading above is it 1/2?

So, set off = salary- minimum salary/2
Is the setiff amount. Is that what I am seeing?

More AI with that specific question: per perplexity

When an NBA team **waives and stretches** a player, they use the **stretch provision** to spread the player's remaining guaranteed salary—and the associated salary cap hit—over a longer period. The **set-off rules** determine how much of this stretched amount can be reduced if the player signs with another team.

### How the Stretch Provision Works

- **Eligibility:** The stretch provision can be applied if the player has at least $250,000 in guaranteed salary remaining[1][8][10].
- **Timing:** If the player is waived between July 1 and August 31, the remaining salary is stretched over **twice the number of years left on the contract plus one**. For example, if two years remain, the cap hit is spread over five years[2][3][8][10].
- **Cap Hit:** The total guaranteed salary is divided evenly over the stretch period, reducing the annual cap hit but extending its duration[1][3][8][10].

### Set-Off Rules for Waived and Stretched Players

- If the waived player signs with another NBA team, the **original team can reduce (set off) the amount they owe by a portion of the new salary** the player receives from the new team[5][8].
- The **set-off amount** is calculated based on the unearned base compensation in each salary cap year of the original contract—not how the payments are actually stretched. This means the set-off is determined by the original contract's schedule, not the stretched payment plan[5].
- The set-off only applies to the portion of the new salary that exceeds the league minimum for that year. Only the amount above the minimum can be used to reduce the original team's obligation[8].

> "If the player subsequently earns compensation from another professional basketball team triggering a right of set-off...the amount of set-off to which the First Team may be entitled shall be calculated based on the unearned Base Compensation in respect of each Salary Cap Year covered by the term of the First Contract (and not with regard to how such protected Base Compensation amounts are payable to the player pursuant to the mandatory stretch provision)"[5].

### Key Points

- **Set-off reduces the waiving team's cap hit only if the player signs elsewhere for more than the minimum.**
- **The set-off is based on the original contract years, not the stretched years.**
- **The player cannot re-sign with the waiving team until the original contract would have expired[8].**

This mechanism helps teams manage their salary cap more flexibly while ensuring players still receive their guaranteed money, subject to reduction if they find new employment above the minimum salary elsewhere.

Sources
[1] Hoops Rumors Glossary: Stretch Provision https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2023/03/hoops-rumors-glossary-stretch-provision-2.html
[2] EJ Kusnyer | NBA Waive & Stretch Provision Explained …and how ... https://www.instagram.com/reel/DL0DKeXspwt/
[3] Milwaukee Bucks waive Damian Lillard: How does the NBA's stretch ... https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/article/milwaukee-bucks-waive-damian-lillard-how-does-the-nbas-stretch-provision-work-162755266.html
[4] RULE NO 3: Players, Substitutes and Coaches https://official.nba.com/rule-no-3-players-substitutes-and-coaches/
[5] Article 27 RIGHT OF SET-OFF | NBA Collective Bargaining Agreement https://atlhawksfanatic.github.io/NBA-CBA/right-of-set-off.html
[6] For NBA Free Agents, the Stretch Provision Comes With Cash and Complication https://www.si.com/nba/2019/01/10/nba-free-agency-stretch-provision-spencer-hawes-joakim-noah-knicks-lakers
[7] How do waived players/contracts work in the NBA - Reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1lqoa8a/how_do_waived_playerscontracts_work_in_the_nba/
[8] CBA Explained: The Stretch Provision | SLAM https://www.slamonline.com/news/nba/cba-explained-the-stretch-provision/
[9] What does stretch and waive mean in the NBA? Taking a closer look at the stretch provision https://www.sportskeeda.com/basketball/what-stretch-waive-mean-nba-taking-closer-look-stretch-provision
[10] What is a Stretch and Waive Contract? Here's How Suns' Front Office Created $3.65 Million Cap Space by Waiving Nassir Little https://www.essentiallysports.com/nba-active-basketball-news-what-is-a-stretch-and-waive-contract-heres-how-suns-front-office-created-three-six-five-million-cap-space-by-waiving-nassir-little/
[11] How it Works: The Waiver Procedure and Contract Buyouts https://moorebasketball.com/2016/01/19/how-it-works-the-waiver-procedure-and-contract-buyouts/



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So the only way offsets happen is any dollar that Dame earns above the league minimum for year 1 and 2.

So he has no incentive to sign with another team for larger than the league minimum for this season and next.


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Not entirely true. The "off-set," ie the reduction in salary the Bucks pay him, is less than the amount he actually signs for. The equation is (new salary-1 year vet min)/2. So if he signed for the 10-year vet min of 3.6, bucks would get a offset of (3.6-2.0)/2 or roughly 800K. So Lillard would NET 2.8 (his salary of 3.6 minus a .8 offset). If he signed for 6.0 million the offset would be (6.0-2.0)/2=2.0 million. So he'd received 6.0-2.0=4 million. if he signed for the full midlevel of 14 million it would be (14-2)/2=6. So he's net 14-6=8 million.

Basically, there's less financial incentive to get more than the minimum due to offsets, but not none. Of course it seems sort of unlikely that a guy will make a decision that effects the rest of his career over a few million dollars when he's already make hundreds of millions, but who knows.

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Also stop posting that Scott Berges guy, he doesn't know jack ****. He's lied for attention all summer

[jfs1000d]

Dame can sign a two minimum, and for those two years, the bucks can get a set off. It seems like reading above is it 1/2?

So, set off = salary- minimum salary/2
Is the setiff amount. Is that what I am seeing?

More AI with that specific question: per perplexity

When an NBA team **waives and stretches** a player, they use the **stretch provision** to spread the player's remaining guaranteed salary—and the associated salary cap hit—over a longer period. The **set-off rules** determine how much of this stretched amount can be reduced if the player signs with another team.

### How the Stretch Provision Works

- **Eligibility:** The stretch provision can be applied if the player has at least $250,000 in guaranteed salary remaining[1][8][10].
- **Timing:** If the player is waived between July 1 and August 31, the remaining salary is stretched over **twice the number of years left on the contract plus one**. For example, if two years remain, the cap hit is spread over five years[2][3][8][10].
- **Cap Hit:** The total guaranteed salary is divided evenly over the stretch period, reducing the annual cap hit but extending its duration[1][3][8][10].

### Set-Off Rules for Waived and Stretched Players

- If the waived player signs with another NBA team, the **original team can reduce (set off) the amount they owe by a portion of the new salary** the player receives from the new team[5][8].
- The **set-off amount** is calculated based on the unearned base compensation in each salary cap year of the original contract—not how the payments are actually stretched. This means the set-off is determined by the original contract's schedule, not the stretched payment plan[5].
- The set-off only applies to the portion of the new salary that exceeds the league minimum for that year. Only the amount above the minimum can be used to reduce the original team's obligation[8].

> "If the player subsequently earns compensation from another professional basketball team triggering a right of set-off...the amount of set-off to which the First Team may be entitled shall be calculated based on the unearned Base Compensation in respect of each Salary Cap Year covered by the term of the First Contract (and not with regard to how such protected Base Compensation amounts are payable to the player pursuant to the mandatory stretch provision)"[5].

### Key Points

- **Set-off reduces the waiving team's cap hit only if the player signs elsewhere for more than the minimum.**
- **The set-off is based on the original contract years, not the stretched years.**
- **The player cannot re-sign with the waiving team until the original contract would have expired[8].**

This mechanism helps teams manage their salary cap more flexibly while ensuring players still receive their guaranteed money, subject to reduction if they find new employment above the minimum salary elsewhere.

Sources
[1] Hoops Rumors Glossary: Stretch Provision https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2023/03/hoops-rumors-glossary-stretch-provision-2.html
[2] EJ Kusnyer | NBA Waive & Stretch Provision Explained …and how ... https://www.instagram.com/reel/DL0DKeXspwt/
[3] Milwaukee Bucks waive Damian Lillard: How does the NBA's stretch ... https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/article/milwaukee-bucks-waive-damian-lillard-how-does-the-nbas-stretch-provision-work-162755266.html
[4] RULE NO 3: Players, Substitutes and Coaches https://official.nba.com/rule-no-3-players-substitutes-and-coaches/
[5] Article 27 RIGHT OF SET-OFF | NBA Collective Bargaining Agreement https://atlhawksfanatic.github.io/NBA-CBA/right-of-set-off.html
[6] For NBA Free Agents, the Stretch Provision Comes With Cash and Complication https://www.si.com/nba/2019/01/10/nba-free-agency-stretch-provision-spencer-hawes-joakim-noah-knicks-lakers
[7] How do waived players/contracts work in the NBA - Reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1lqoa8a/how_do_waived_playerscontracts_work_in_the_nba/
[8] CBA Explained: The Stretch Provision | SLAM https://www.slamonline.com/news/nba/cba-explained-the-stretch-provision/
[9] What does stretch and waive mean in the NBA? Taking a closer look at the stretch provision https://www.sportskeeda.com/basketball/what-stretch-waive-mean-nba-taking-closer-look-stretch-provision
[10] What is a Stretch and Waive Contract? Here's How Suns' Front Office Created $3.65 Million Cap Space by Waiving Nassir Little https://www.essentiallysports.com/nba-active-basketball-news-what-is-a-stretch-and-waive-contract-heres-how-suns-front-office-created-three-six-five-million-cap-space-by-waiving-nassir-little/
[11] How it Works: The Waiver Procedure and Contract Buyouts https://moorebasketball.com/2016/01/19/how-it-works-the-waiver-procedure-and-contract-buyouts/



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So the only way offsets happen is any dollar that Dame earns above the league minimum for year 1 and 2.

So he has no incentive to sign with another team for larger than the league minimum for this season and next.


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Not entirely true. The "off-set," ie the reduction in salary the Bucks pay him, is less than the amount he actually signs for. The equation is (new salary-1 year vet min)/2. So if he signed for the 10-year vet min of 3.6, bucks would get a offset of (3.6-2.0)/2 or roughly 800K. So Lillard would NET 2.8 (his salary of 3.6 minus a .8 offset). If he signed for 6.0 million the offset would be (6.0-2.0)/2=2.0 million. So he'd received 6.0-2.0=4 million. if he signed for the full midlevel of 14 million it would be (14-2)/2=6. So he's net 14-6=8 million.

Basically, there's less financial incentive to get more than the minimum due to offsets, but not none. Of course it seems sort of unlikely that a guy will make a decision that effects the rest of his career over a few million dollars when he's already make hundreds of millions, but who knows.

So 1/2 of the difference after the minimum.


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