Trade Landscape/Trade Ideas

[BRUNiNHO91]

Cap space and a first rounder for Kirk Hinrich? That's a great deal. That's like saying we would laugh if anybody offered us an expiring and a first for Bass.

A top 12 protected pick for Kirk AND Dunleavy? Because they can get a late first rounder for each of those guys AT WORSE.

Mike Dunleavy is worth a first round draft pick? You would give a first for that guy?

[DK-All Day]

When you need a laugh....go to the Knick board:

Felton, Stoudemire, THJ & future 1st for Rondo, G Wallace, B Bass.
Would the Celtics do it? I mean this would allow them to shed Wallace salary a year earlier and Felton's contract isn't horrible.

Of course we'd be paying a steep price for the services of Rondo (THJ + future pick). But I would like our lineup;
Rondo, Shump, Chandler, Bass, Melo and a bench of Prigs, Wallace, Bargs, Kmart & JR (uuugghhh)
And still have Murry, Tyler, Udrih, MWP, Cole

Another interesting trade that i've seen floated many times on this board. Personally, i'd rather throw JR in there and keep THjr.. Also not sure that boston and NY would make the best possible trade in a straight up scenario. Really feel like a 3rd and maybe even a 4th team needs to be involved.

[BleedGreen1989]

When you need a laugh....go to the Knick board:

Another interesting trade that i've seen floated many times on this board. Personally, i'd rather throw JR in there and keep THjr.. Also not sure that boston and NY would make the best possible trade in a straight up scenario. Really feel like a 3rd and maybe even a 4th team needs to be involved.

"Really feel like a 3rd team or 4th team needs to be involved."

No Knick fan, people need to actually want the crap you have. Nobody does.

[BleedGreen1989]

Regarding Bass, I think the best Danny can hope for is an expiring and a small sweetner (2nd rounder)

I would take that.

[sully00]

Actually... no, he's not. He is quite desirable as a 3rd big. DA has already turned down a late first for him. #fact

From what team?

Not sure. Source just said "late first".

What source?

There is what you hear, what you believe, and then there are facts they tend to be verifiable.

[165bows]

Alex Kennedy: The Charlotte Bobcats continue to shop Ben Gordon. Source says Charlotte has been shopping him for awhile, but hasn't found a deal yet. Twitter @AlexKennedyNBA

Alex Kennedy: League source identifies Charlotte, Houston, Phoenix as buyers as trade deadline approaches. They each want to add talent for playoff push. Twitter @AlexKennedyNBA

http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm#sthash.qOeG9r02.dpuf

[24istheLAW]

Alex Kennedy: The Charlotte Bobcats continue to shop Ben Gordon. Source says Charlotte has been shopping him for awhile, but hasn't found a deal yet. Twitter @AlexKennedyNBA

Alex Kennedy: League source identifies Charlotte, Houston, Phoenix as buyers as trade deadline approaches. They each want to add talent for playoff push. Twitter @AlexKennedyNBA

http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm#sthash.qOeG9r02.dpuf

Good link.

They clearly don't want expirings for expirings' sake (like Gordon), and they don't want inefficient scorers (like Crawford) when they have guys like Kemba and Henderson who can go one on one just as well or better. I don't think they're trading us Cody Zeller or Kidd-Gilchrist unless we offer something that would be dumb from our perspective (i.e. Rondo). I could see them being interested in Humphries or Green though.

Could we shake off Bismack Biyombo, and would you want him?

As for Houston we've exhausted the possibilities there. Phoenix? I don't see what they'd possibly want from us. Besides Bradley, and I don't see a fair trade looking at their roster.

[Valid]

Alex Kennedy: The Charlotte Bobcats continue to shop Ben Gordon. Source says Charlotte has been shopping him for awhile, but hasn't found a deal yet. Twitter @AlexKennedyNBA

Alex Kennedy: League source identifies Charlotte, Houston, Phoenix as buyers as trade deadline approaches. They each want to add talent for playoff push. Twitter @AlexKennedyNBA

http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm#sthash.qOeG9r02.dpuf

Good link.

They clearly don't want expirings for expirings' sake (like Gordon), and they don't want inefficient scorers (like Crawford) when they have guys like Kemba and Henderson who can go one on one just as well or better. I don't think they're trading us Cody Zeller or Kidd-Gilchrist unless we offer something that would be dumb from our perspective (i.e. Rondo). I could see them being interested in Humphries or Green though.

Could we shake off Bismack Biyombo, and would you want him?

As for Houston we've exhausted the possibilities there. Phoenix? I don't see what they'd possibly want from us. Besides Bradley, and I don't see a fair trade looking at their roster.

Not sure the Bobcats would give up Biyombo unless they're getting something really worthwhile in return. He has been a pretty huge reason for their surprisingly good defense this season, and he's only 21. Maybe they'd deal him if we trade them Green, but even then I'm not so sure. He's their only good frontcourt defender.

[KJandHondo35]

Alex Kennedy: The Charlotte Bobcats continue to shop Ben Gordon. Source says Charlotte has been shopping him for awhile, but hasn't found a deal yet. Twitter @AlexKennedyNBA

Alex Kennedy: League source identifies Charlotte, Houston, Phoenix as buyers as trade deadline approaches. They each want to add talent for playoff push. Twitter @AlexKennedyNBA

http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm#sthash.qOeG9r02.dpuf

Good link.

They clearly don't want expirings for expirings' sake (like Gordon), and they don't want inefficient scorers (like Crawford) when they have guys like Kemba and Henderson who can go one on one just as well or better. I don't think they're trading us Cody Zeller or Kidd-Gilchrist unless we offer something that would be dumb from our perspective (i.e. Rondo). I could see them being interested in Humphries or Green though.

Could we shake off Bismack Biyombo, and would you want him?

As for Houston we've exhausted the possibilities there. Phoenix? I don't see what they'd possibly want from us. Besides Bradley, and I don't see a fair trade looking at their roster.

I mean Hump and Bradley for Okafor and Goodwin plus at least 1 of their 4 1st round picks i think would be good for both sides.

[Valid]

http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm#sthash.qOeG9r02.dpuf

Good link.

They clearly don't want expirings for expirings' sake (like Gordon), and they don't want inefficient scorers (like Crawford) when they have guys like Kemba and Henderson who can go one on one just as well or better. I don't think they're trading us Cody Zeller or Kidd-Gilchrist unless we offer something that would be dumb from our perspective (i.e. Rondo). I could see them being interested in Humphries or Green though.

Could we shake off Bismack Biyombo, and would you want him?

As for Houston we've exhausted the possibilities there. Phoenix? I don't see what they'd possibly want from us. Besides Bradley, and I don't see a fair trade looking at their roster.

I mean Hump and Bradley for Okafor and Goodwin plus at least 1 of their 4 1st round picks i think would be good for both sides.

You wanna trade Bradley for that?

[KJandHondo35]

Good link.

They clearly don't want expirings for expirings' sake (like Gordon), and they don't want inefficient scorers (like Crawford) when they have guys like Kemba and Henderson who can go one on one just as well or better. I don't think they're trading us Cody Zeller or Kidd-Gilchrist unless we offer something that would be dumb from our perspective (i.e. Rondo). I could see them being interested in Humphries or Green though.

Could we shake off Bismack Biyombo, and would you want him?

As for Houston we've exhausted the possibilities there. Phoenix? I don't see what they'd possibly want from us. Besides Bradley, and I don't see a fair trade looking at their roster.

I mean Hump and Bradley for Okafor and Goodwin plus at least 1 of their 4 1st round picks i think would be good for both sides.

You wanna trade Bradley for that?

I wouldn’t be opposed considering 3 1sts give a chance to almost move anywhere on the board if there was a specific guy DA was targeting. Even if its their 21st pick and we used it, the guy there is gonna be pretty good (think Chris Walker perceived lotto pick and 2 best SF in the draft but slipped bc of academic ineligibility). And Goodwin hasn’t played but if anything is what Avery Bradley was coming out of college and happens to be 6’5” (elite defender, need to develop range, 19 years old). And if that’s not enough for Bradley in your mind the Suns could give up 2 picks and still have 2. 4 first rounder’s in this draft? Sign me up yesterday.

[24istheLAW]

You wanna trade Bradley for that?

To me Bradley is worth 8 mil a season. So no, I wouldn't.

AB just "fits" so perfectly as the 4th guy on a contending team. If you have a franchise point guard, he can play shooting guard and be a damn good defender there, in spite of his size. If you have a franchise/ball dominant shooting guard or wing, he can be a point guard like Chalmers who runs the point in name only, shoots and plays D.

I'm more comfortable making a long term financial commitment to Bradley than anyone else on the team expect a healthy Rondo.

And no Goodwin's no elite defender.

[24istheLAW]

I wouldn’t be opposed considering 3 1sts give a chance to almost move anywhere on the board if there was a specific guy DA was targeting. Even if its their 21st pick and we used it, the guy there is gonna be pretty good (think Chris Walker perceived lotto pick and 2 best SF in the draft but slipped bc of academic ineligibility). And Goodwin hasn’t played but if anything is what Avery Bradley was coming out of college and happens to be 6’5” (elite defender, need to develop range, 19 years old). And if that’s not enough for Bradley in your mind the Suns could give up 2 picks and still have 2. 4 first rounder’s in this draft? Sign me up yesterday.

I think you're overrating those college players and underrating AB.

Bradley didn't need to develop range. Out of HS he was one of the best shooters in the nation. Its part of why his shooting coming around wasn't a surprise. Goodwin actually can't shoot. And Goodwin is athletic but his defensive track record isn't nearly as good.

And Chris Walker? He's athletic, cool. Jeremy Evans is pretty big and athletic and can flush a basketball. Hasn't helped him.

[Valid]

I mean Hump and Bradley for Okafor and Goodwin plus at least 1 of their 4 1st round picks i think would be good for both sides.

You wanna trade Bradley for that?

I wouldn’t be opposed considering 3 1sts give a chance to almost move anywhere on the board if there was a specific guy DA was targeting. Even if its their 21st pick and we used it, the guy there is gonna be pretty good (think Chris Walker perceived lotto pick and 2 best SF in the draft but slipped bc of academic ineligibility). And Goodwin hasn’t played but if anything is what Avery Bradley was coming out of college and happens to be 6’5” (elite defender, need to develop range, 19 years old). And if that’s not enough for Bradley in your mind the Suns could give up 2 picks and still have 2. 4 first rounder’s in this draft? Sign me up yesterday.

I'm not trading a 23-year-old elite defender with a steadily improving offensive game for an expiring contract, Archie Goodwin and the 21st pick. If Bradley were 27 or 28, then maybe, but he isn't. He is an improving young piece that we should build around.

Also, I don't think the Suns would trade two first-round picks for Hump and Bradley, either.

[KJandHondo35]

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Kid is pretty good at 18, if you could be patient and develop him I would be infavor... I just see Bradley rapidly approaching his ceiling and I cant see a problem with trading while his value is high. He takes way too many mid range shots and is a reason for his fairly low PER despite his high % percentage. Regardless I would also be okay with Crawford and Hump for Okafor and Goodwin and 1 1st. I think the Suns would be better served anyways to have a shooter like Crawford they can bring off the bench vs Bradley who is bascally the role Bledsoe fill except he can average 18-5-4.

[KJandHondo35]

I wouldn’t be opposed considering 3 1sts give a chance to almost move anywhere on the board if there was a specific guy DA was targeting. Even if its their 21st pick and we used it, the guy there is gonna be pretty good (think Chris Walker perceived lotto pick and 2 best SF in the draft but slipped bc of academic ineligibility). And Goodwin hasn’t played but if anything is what Avery Bradley was coming out of college and happens to be 6’5” (elite defender, need to develop range, 19 years old). And if that’s not enough for Bradley in your mind the Suns could give up 2 picks and still have 2. 4 first rounder’s in this draft? Sign me up yesterday.

I think you're overrating those college players and underrating AB.

Bradley didn't need to develop range. Out of HS he was one of the best shooters in the nation. Its part of why his shooting coming around wasn't a surprise. Goodwin actually can't shoot. And Goodwin is athletic but his defensive track record isn't nearly as good.

And Chris Walker? He's athletic, cool. Jeremy Evans is pretty big and athletic and can flush a basketball. Hasn't helped him.

Read Chris Ford's analysis of Walker... his strength is shooting not just athletisim. He Also says if he got on the court he could rocket up to the top 10 in the draft in no time.

[24istheLAW]

I don't see why Bradley is "rapidly approaching his ceiling", when his usage on this team right now is completely different from how he'd be used on a team that has talent.

He is shooting 40% from 3. That is way more "efficient" use than anything Archie Goodwin does. Yea Goodwin might finish better inside but you don't pay your PG/SG to finish inside you pay them to space the floor.

[Slartibartfast]

Alex Kennedy: The Charlotte Bobcats continue to shop Ben Gordon. Source says Charlotte has been shopping him for awhile, but hasn't found a deal yet. Twitter @AlexKennedyNBA

Alex Kennedy: League source identifies Charlotte, Houston, Phoenix as buyers as trade deadline approaches. They each want to add talent for playoff push. Twitter @AlexKennedyNBA

http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm#sthash.qOeG9r02.dpuf

Good link.

They clearly don't want expirings for expirings' sake (like Gordon), and they don't want inefficient scorers (like Crawford) when they have guys like Kemba and Henderson who can go one on one just as well or better. I don't think they're trading us Cody Zeller or Kidd-Gilchrist unless we offer something that would be dumb from our perspective (i.e. Rondo). I could see them being interested in Humphries or Green though.

Could we shake off Bismack Biyombo, and would you want him?

Green would definitely be a big help to their playoff hopes - a nice 3rd option after Kemba and Al. A bit of a dilemma with benching MKG (or going small with Green at the 4), so I'm not sure they'd pay much of a price for him.

Gordon and Biz for Bass and Green? That would make us a free agency player, and Biyombo's a nice fit with our offensive-oriented frontcourt. A complete zero offensively and undersized at the 5, but competent on the boards and a shot blocker - maybe a Theo Ratliff?

Probably rather keep Green.

I think the 3-teamer proposed earlier with Chicago makes the most sense for Charlotte. Hinrich/Dunleavy/Bass would greatly solidify Charlotte's bench with legit veteran contributors in place of garbage like CDR and Tolliver. Boston sends out Bass/Bogans/Crawford, gets back Gordon and Chicago gets Crawford and Bogans.

[ddb]

there are a bunch of trades involving the Celtics that could work as the deadline approaches. Let's just throw some out there for fun. I'm not saying I would or wouldn't do these deals. Just ideas being thrown out there.

-Bradley and lesser of our 2014 picks to Utah for Hayward

-Bass to Portland for TRobinson and Earl Watson (expiring) could also be waived

-Green to Houston for Asik

-Bass/Brooks 1st to Houston for Asik

Of the Blockbuster variety

-Hump/Brooks/Sully/Green + 2 1st rounders to Minny for Love/Brewer/Martin

-Phil Pressey/Hump/Bogans for LeBron James

[KJandHondo35]

I don't see why Bradley is "rapidly approaching his ceiling", when his usage on this team right now is completely different from how he'd be used on a team that has talent.

He is shooting 40% from 3. That is way more "efficient" use than anything Archie Goodwin does. Yea Goodwin might finish better inside but you don't pay your PG/SG to finish inside you pay them to space the floor.

He is making strides at 3 pt shooting but is also really bad at passing (%ast is 7.3 putting him 95th overall for guards). And I'm never goning to be okay with how many shots he takes in the midrange... he shoots 49% from midrange and 53% at the rim... He should be better at shot fakes at 3 and driving to the hoop to create contact and possibility of 3 pt play.