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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1401 » by BostonCouchGM » Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:30 pm

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Seems like he'd be a perfect fit. We need more playmaking on this team bigtime. Not the same combo guards that we draft every year. We move Hayward for Wiggins and the 2nd? They get immediate All-Star help at the wing and a massive contract coming off their books next summer for FA. We get scoring help now who's only 25 and LaMelo.

LaMelo
Smart
Brown
Tatum
Rob

Wiggins
Grant
Romeo

Could go places..


Guessing it’d be Hayward/14 for Wiggins/2.

Edit: to expand, GS wants to have cap space in 21 to have the flexibility to pursue Giannis. Wiggins is an albatross. #2 also prevents this with the 9M cap hit. Theyre going to move this pick and aim to get a wing later on.


Dude.. Okay 2 thoughts.

Wiggins & the #2 is perfect here ONLY if the owners say yes we're willing to pay endless luxury tax over 2020 - 2030. Which they would say if we did that trade.

That trade opens up SO MUCH for us.

So Wiggins is *** on defense and that's a super big concern. But I'll be damned if he isn't at least the perfect 6th man off the bench. And he's always had the body to be a good switch wing defender. I'm very interested in him.

And go up to the #2 to get say a Haliburton or Hayes or Okongwu..

Playoff rotations are 8 maybe 9 deep. And that trade while it hurts our current starting lineup a bit... could make us 8 deep right away.

With Ball I'm concerned his passing won't matter. You can't be a playmaker if you can't either hit the 3 or be a threat to drive to the rim or even stop and pop a midrange J. You need to score in order to be a playmaker and I don't want for him to be Lonzo where he has to play off ball in the half court to open up the floor. I want SMART to be in that role for us, who is no Ball but if Smart is the off ball guard who's entire throught process is "killer pass" with his vision and complete disregard for what is right we'll see a ton of highlights where the playmaker does all the work, and then passes it to smart who will do instant tip passes to an open mid range for Theis or for a cutting Jaylen Brown.

I really think Smart has another level on offense that can only be unlocked playing next to a true playmaker and just let him be the well in soccer it'd be call the Trequarista role... but essentially the guy that's watching how everything is rotating in real time and playing on instincts and makes that killer pass. Maybe a full court to the side of the key, ect. I really think he could star in that role (yes it will come with it's fair share of turnovers but for open shot to turnover ratio I think we'd see a dramatic improvement)


lol he'd be our second most talented player. Assuming Hayward was dealt to acquire him he'd start at the 3. Why would you put your 2nd most talented player on the bench? Wiggins has never been in a good situation. If he came here or stays with the Warriors and they get healthy people will see how good he is.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1402 » by Bleeding Green » Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:32 pm

If Wiggins weren't a first overall player he'd be getting Javonte Green minutes. He's awful. Can't shoot, can't defend, handle is weak. He's athletic though. What talent does he have?
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1403 » by snowman » Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:42 pm

For me, I'd pass on Ball. I still say pick up a good wing shooter like S. Bey or A. Nesmith. Prefer Bey, he looks like a really good 3 & D wing. Good size at 6'8. Groom him to take over for Hayward after he opts in for his final year.

I see GS maybe trading with Minn to flip 1 for 2 with some sweetener, like maybe Minn's pick back. Then they can draft Edwards. Sorta like Boston did with Tatum. Minn can get Ball or Hayes as their PG to go with Towns and Russell.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1404 » by celticfan42487 » Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:55 pm

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lol he'd be our second most talented player. Assuming Hayward was dealt to acquire him he'd start at the 3. Why would you put your 2nd most talented player on the bench? Wiggins has never been in a good situation. If he came here or stays with the Warriors and they get healthy people will see how good he is.


Considering players that are effective I'd rank Wigging on a Hayward for Wiggins trade as below

Tatum
Kemba
Brown
Smart
Theis

So to answer your question, I don't know if he's our "second most talented player" because that depends if you consider defense a talent or not.

But he'd be our 6th most effective player. Unless we hit pure gold in the draft on someone. Or we pick up a Jae Crowder like vet in free agency.
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Post#1405 » by 31to6 » Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:55 pm

Not sure LaMelo is a better pro than say Josh Green.
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Post#1406 » by JHTruth » Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:57 pm

Bleeding Green wrote:If you trade all that and LaMelo Ball isn't the best player on the roster, then you **** up so badly. Wiggins is unplayable and you have to pay him all that money for years? I don't doubt LaMelo has a great ceiling as a freak distributor and defender, but his shot looks so broken and his floor is so low that you can't just trade a real chance at a championship next year for him. Is his ceiling even any higher than Romeo Langford's? Draft him at 14 all you want, but you can't trade up to 2 to take him, just absolute insanity.


LOL. Most non-Celtic fans from what I see say this deal would be highway robbery by Ainge. Crazy how we get attached to our players..
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1407 » by Bleeding Green » Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:17 pm

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Bleeding Green wrote:If you trade all that and LaMelo Ball isn't the best player on the roster, then you **** up so badly. Wiggins is unplayable and you have to pay him all that money for years? I don't doubt LaMelo has a great ceiling as a freak distributor and defender, but his shot looks so broken and his floor is so low that you can't just trade a real chance at a championship next year for him. Is his ceiling even any higher than Romeo Langford's? Draft him at 14 all you want, but you can't trade up to 2 to take him, just absolute insanity.


LOL. Most non-Celtic fans from what I see say this deal would be highway robbery by Ainge. Crazy how we get attached to our players..

I'm not even attached to any of these players. Wiggins is unplayable to me. LaMelo Ball is a downgrade from Gordon Hayward next year. Trade all this stuff to move up to 2 in a draft where you can't discern the 2nd best from the 14th best player, and the 2021 Celtics are worse, have more future money tied up, and if LaMelo Ball can't shoot or defend in the future then Ainge is a **** clown. Is Ball some can't-miss prospect? He looks like the highest variance player in the entire draft to me. Maybe he'll be MVP quality, maybe he won't be able to stay on the floor because of defensive ability and a broken jumper.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1408 » by Cuban Pete » Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:30 pm

Bleeding Green wrote:If you trade all that and LaMelo Ball isn't the best player on the roster, then you **** up so badly. Wiggins is unplayable and you have to pay him all that money for years? I don't doubt LaMelo has a great ceiling as a freak distributor and defender, but his shot looks so broken and his floor is so low that you can't just trade a real chance at a championship next year for him. Is his ceiling even any higher than Romeo Langford's? Draft him at 14 all you want, but you can't trade up to 2 to take him, just absolute insanity.


If Wiggins gets dealt it will be for Giannis, I wouldn't want Hayward, assuming he opts in. Wiggins never lived up to his lofty #1 pick status, but he's still a good player who could be on the verge of breaking out. This season, he reached career highs in the following areas: 3ptAtt Rate, DRB%, and Assist Rate. The last being a big leap forward. Keep in mind, he's only 25.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1409 » by Bleeding Green » Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:44 pm

If the Bucks trade for Andrew Wiggins, Adam Silver should nuke the franchise and we should all spend the rest of our lives laughing at how horribly mismanaged they are. In what way is he a good player? He's below-average at every aspect of basketball. Shooting? Bad. Passing? Bad. Defending? Bad. OH, he takes more threes now, great. Too bad he can't shoot.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1410 » by Cuban Pete » Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:49 pm

Bleeding Green wrote:If the Bucks trade for Andrew Wiggins, Adam Silver should nuke the franchise and we should all spend the rest of our lives laughing at how horribly mismanaged they are. In what way is he a good player? He's below-average at every aspect of basketball. Shooting? Bad. Passing? Bad. Defending? Bad. OH, he takes more threes now, great. Too bad he can't shoot.


I wouldn't call an 18.1 assist rate bad. He's not a good shooter, but he's not bad. And any deal for Giannis would also include the 2nd overall pick in the draft. The Bucks won't get a better deal than that.
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Post#1411 » by Bleeding Green » Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:51 pm

18.1% assist rate for someone with a 27 USG rate. Tell me someone else with such an awful ratio. Guaranteed they suck at basketball or are incredible scorers. I will slash Mike Zarren's tires if I ever seen Andrew Wiggins on the Celtics. He's a worse Caris LeVert that you owe 30 million dollars to every season. Straight up cannot win when he is on the floor, and he makes 30 million so good luck sitting him on the bench. Romeo Langford is absolutely a better player than Wiggins in two years, maybe one. Actually he's better now because you don't have to play him.
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Post#1412 » by Cuban Pete » Thu Sep 17, 2020 10:01 pm

DeRozan had similar ratios during his Toronto years. They have similar career eFG%. DeRozan could opt out. Ironically, even though he doesn't shoot threes, he could be a nice fit for the Cs.
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Post#1413 » by Bleeding Green » Thu Sep 17, 2020 10:06 pm

DeRozan was also pretty terrible until the last 4-5 years and is one of the worst playoff performers in NBA history. But yeah he'd be fine, except he would only opt out if someone gave him more money. DeMar at 27+ million is pretty brutal.
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Post#1414 » by BK_2020 » Thu Sep 17, 2020 10:06 pm

Derozan isn't a very good player and he was outright bad in his early 20s. He's never been as bad as Wiggins though.
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Post#1415 » by Cuban Pete » Fri Sep 18, 2020 2:35 am

I think we all could use a good laugh and what better comic relief than my lastest mock draft! :lol:

1 Minnesota - Anthony Edwards (19) SG Georgia

2 Golden State - Onyeka Okongwu (19) PF USC

3 Charlotte - James Wiseman (19) C Memphis

4 Chicago - LaMelo Ball (19) PG Illawarra (AUS)

5 Cleveland - Isaac Okoro (19) SF Auburn

6 Atlanta - Killian Hayes (19) CG Ratiopharm Ulm (Ger)

7 Detroit - Kira Lewis (19) PG Alabama

8 New York - Tyrell Terry (19) PG Stanford

9 Washington - Patrick Williams (19) SF Florida St

10 Phoenix - Tyrese Maxey (19) PG Kentucky

11 San Antonio - Aaron Nesmith (20) SF Vanderbilt

12 Sacramento - Isaiah Stewart (19) PF Washington

13 New Orleans - Paul Reed (21) PF DePaul

14 Boston - Aleksej Pokuševski (18) PF Olympiacos B (Greece)

END OF LOTTERY

15 Orlando - Josh Green (19) SG Arizona

16 Portland - Saddiq Bey (21) SF Villanova

17 Minnesota - Obi Toppin (22) PF Dayton

18 Dallas - Jahmi'us Ramsey (19) SG Texas Tech

19 Brooklyn - Vernon Carey (19) C Duke

20 Miami - Precious Achiuwa (20) PF Memphis

21 Philadelphia - Markus Howard (21) PG Marquette

22 Denver - Skylar Mays (22) SG LSU

23 Utah - Jaden McDaniels (19) PF Washington

24 Milwaukee - Devin Vassell (20) SG Florida St

25 Oklahoma City- Deni Avdija (19) SF Maccabi Tel Aviv (Israel)

26 Boston - Immanuel Quickley (21) SG Kentucky

27 New York - Tyrese Haliburton (20) PG Iowa St

28 LA Lakers - Cole Anthony (20) PG North Carolina

29 Toronto - Mason Jones (22) SG Arkansas

30 Boston - Udoka Azubuike (20) C Kansas

2nd ROUND

31 Dallas - Zeke Nnaji (19) PF Arizona

32 Charlotte - Naji Marshall (22) SF Xavier

33 Minnesota - Payton Pritchard (22) PG Oregon

34 Philadelphia - Elijah Hughes (22) SG Syracuse

35 Sacramento - Nate Hinton (21) SG Houston

36 Philadelphia - CJ Elleby (20) SF Washington St

37 Washington - Daniel Oturu (21) C Minnesota

38 New York - Jalen Harris (22) SG Nevada

39 New Orleans - TyShon Alexander (22) SG Creighton

40 Memphis - RJ Hampton (19) SG NZ Breakers (NBL)

41 San Antonio - Desmond Bane (22) SG TCU

42 New Orleans - Tre Jones (20) PG Duke

43 Sacramento - Xavier Sneed (22) SF Kansas St

44 Chicago - Nathan Knight (22) PF William & Mary

45 Orlando - Jordan Nwora (21) SF Louisville

46 Portland - Jalen Smith (20) PF Maryland

47 Boston - Christian Vital (23) PG Connecticut

48 Golden State - Malachi Flynn (22) PG San Diego St

49 Philadelphia - Ashton Hagans (21) PG Kentucky

50 Atlanta - Kamar Baldwin (22) PG Butler

51 Golden State - Lamine Diane (22) SF UC Northridge

52 Sacramento - Nico Mannion (19) PG Arizona

53 Oklahoma City- Alpha Diallo (23) SF Providence

54 Indiana - Devon Dotson (21) PG Kansas

55 Brooklyn - Juwan Durham (22) PF Notre Dame

56 Charlotte - Jon Axel Gudmundsson (23) SG Davidson

57 LA Clippers - Killian Tillie (22) PF Gonzaga

58 Philadelphia - Kaleb Wesson (21) PF Ohio St

59 Toronto - Tray Boyd (21) PG East Tennessee St

60 New Orleans - Anthony Lamb (22) SF Vermont
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Post#1416 » by playa-hater » Fri Sep 18, 2020 3:05 am

I have been screaming this point since the 1st day I joined this place.. and after tonight's debacle, it is even more evident.. against a ZONE or NOT, Boston needs shooters.. space the damn court for our slashers to operate...

Best shooting 3-D wings... NeSmith Bey, Vassell or maybe Patrick Williams..
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Post#1417 » by LarryBirdsFingr » Fri Sep 18, 2020 4:00 am

How about a nice, large sized point guard
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Post#1418 » by The Corey's » Fri Sep 18, 2020 4:09 am

LarryBirdsFingr wrote:How about a nice, large sized point guard


Timing sucks man sometimes.

Ja morant or luka would change this team dramatically but it wasn't meant to be.

I guess overall we'd be better if we had murray instead of brown and used that 30 mil from kemba on someone with size.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1419 » by Celtic Esquire » Fri Sep 18, 2020 4:20 am

LarryBirdsFingr wrote:How about a nice, large sized point guard


It won’t matter because Brad Stevens will never play him anyway.
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Post#1420 » by playa-hater » Fri Sep 18, 2020 4:32 am

LarryBirdsFingr wrote:How about a nice, large sized point guard


Let me go on record, right now and predict Kira Lewis jr, will be our draft p[ick if he is still there.. Not that Big, listed at 6'3, but blazing fast, can shoot, and pass.

I am thinking after watching Toronto and Miami, Bigs won't matter.. everything is leading to switching and shooting..,, Theis was getting destroyed in No man's land because he could not step out on a switch, al while giving up the lob.. Kanter vs Miami's defense was the worst ever. And we still have R Willias, who should be asking for a trade after this game..

Grant Williams actually played center at 6'6 in the 4th because he could switch a bit..

Small ball is NOW in.. team rebounding vs the Bam's of the world.. K Lewis or a wing will be the pick ..
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