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playa-hater wrote:BTW I love everything about Paul Reed' And would love him at 26. But my only concern with Paul Reed over Precious His that he needs to be physically bigger and stronger To battle against some of the centers in the league. In time he will be good.
Patsfan1081 wrote:JHTruth wrote:SmartWentCrazy wrote:Precious is the same height as RWIII, has a worse wingspan and reach, has worse athleticism, less skill and a worse BBIQ. I dont get the fascination other than wanting a new, worse player cuz he has the ‘new pick shine’ to him.
That's what it boils down to. All we've seen is highlight videos of Precious dunking on guys who will never sniff the GLeague never mind the NBA so everyone thinks he will be "better" than RWill. No one has watched him blow multiple assignments on the same possession or go 1-9 from 3.
They aren’t close to being the same player, not sure where you get going 1-9 from either since he’s never taken more than 5 threes or been a volume shooter. I watched a couple Memphis games this past season, never saw him blow multiple defensive assignments. As for his comps to Williams, his height is where it ends. Precious has a much better motor and is more aggressive. He has a lot better handles and a quicker first step/lateral movement enables him to guard smaller guys.
themoneyteam2 wrote:SmartWentCrazy wrote:Precious is the same height as RWIII, has a worse wingspan and reach, has worse athleticism, less skill and a worse BBIQ. I dont get the fascination other than wanting a new, worse player cuz he has the ‘new pick shine’ to him.
Ehh I think Precious is more athletic than Timelord. He moves like a guard and is much more mobile on defense being able to switch onto guards.
Worse BBIQ for sure and measurements. Not sure about skill since Precious seems more skilled especially in HS playing on the wing. Timelord is strictly a rim runner and always has been.
But overall I agree would rather go somewhere else at 14
threrf23 wrote:SmartWentCrazy wrote:Precious is the same height as RWIII, has a worse wingspan and reach, has worse athleticism, less skill and a worse BBIQ. I dont get the fascination other than wanting a new, worse player cuz he has the ‘new pick shine’ to him.
I'm not claiming to be a scout or anything, but from my vantage point Precious appears to be a more versatile defender if not a better defender, and a more tireless rebounder if not a guy who consistently stays focused and boxes out. He also shows better upside as a ballhandler and as an outside shooter.
Timelord's raw upside was never a question, but scouts questioned his focus and his motor and his drive and noted that he would find himself out of position defensively. Scouts like Precious because he is high motor and shows glimpses of being a leader on the court.
Precious' strengths:Strengths
Positional size and athleticism for his size
Strength and coordination
Plays with intensity and hits the boards hard – gets a lot of second chance points off offensive rebounds
Above the rim ability – a great dunker who can finish with power
Has decent mechanics on his jumper and a smooth release out to college 3 and beyond (although outside shooting is not yet a strength)
Has good handles and ability to drive the ball to the rim – handles well in traffic
A high level shot blocker for his position
Defensive versatility – can guard 2-4
Timelord's weaknesses:Weaknesses
Very raw on the offensive end, with a lot of development left to do before he becomes an NBA level player.
Must improve his touch around the rim and refine his post-up game. Doesn’t have a go-to move in the post and does most of his scoring on dunks. Lacks consistency on his jumper and isn’t much of a threat outside of 15 feet.
Doesn’t have great handles and needs to do a better job of catching the ball and protecting it in traffic. Too turnover prone.
Can get out of position defensively and lacks fundamentals. Doesn’t box out well and relies on his length and athleticism. Sometimes seems lost on the court and not fully engaged in the action.
Hasn’t shown the improvements you’d expect after his Freshman year. Is still a work in progress.
https://nbadraftroom.com/p/precious-achiuwa/
https://nbadraftroom.com/robert-williams-nba-draft-scouting-report/
Bluewhale wrote:SmartWentCrazy wrote:Precious is the same height as RWIII, has a worse wingspan and reach, has worse athleticism, less skill and a worse BBIQ. I dont get the fascination other than wanting a new, worse player cuz he has the ‘new pick shine’ to him.
Because Timelord was not healthy?
I love Timelord but it’s hard to expect him to play 70+ games at 30+ minutes.
You always need another switchable Big and Precious could be the one.
Precious and Patrick Williams are my pick at 14
Kalela wrote:What player in this draft would come closest to someone who can slow down Giannis Antetokounmpo and Bam Adebayo?
playa-hater wrote:threrf23 wrote:SmartWentCrazy wrote:Precious is the same height as RWIII, has a worse wingspan and reach, has worse athleticism, less skill and a worse BBIQ. I dont get the fascination other than wanting a new, worse player cuz he has the ‘new pick shine’ to him.
I'm not claiming to be a scout or anything, but from my vantage point Precious appears to be a more versatile defender if not a better defender, and a more tireless rebounder if not a guy who consistently stays focused and boxes out. He also shows better upside as a ballhandler and as an outside shooter.
Timelord's raw upside was never a question, but scouts questioned his focus and his motor and his drive and noted that he would find himself out of position defensively. Scouts like Precious because he is high motor and shows glimpses of being a leader on the court.
Precious' strengths:Strengths
Positional size and athleticism for his size
Strength and coordination
Plays with intensity and hits the boards hard – gets a lot of second chance points off offensive rebounds
Above the rim ability – a great dunker who can finish with power
Has decent mechanics on his jumper and a smooth release out to college 3 and beyond (although outside shooting is not yet a strength)
Has good handles and ability to drive the ball to the rim – handles well in traffic
A high level shot blocker for his position
Defensive versatility – can guard 2-4
Timelord's weaknesses:Weaknesses
Very raw on the offensive end, with a lot of development left to do before he becomes an NBA level player.
Must improve his touch around the rim and refine his post-up game. Doesn’t have a go-to move in the post and does most of his scoring on dunks. Lacks consistency on his jumper and isn’t much of a threat outside of 15 feet.
Doesn’t have great handles and needs to do a better job of catching the ball and protecting it in traffic. Too turnover prone.
Can get out of position defensively and lacks fundamentals. Doesn’t box out well and relies on his length and athleticism. Sometimes seems lost on the court and not fully engaged in the action.
Hasn’t shown the improvements you’d expect after his Freshman year. Is still a work in progress.
https://nbadraftroom.com/p/precious-achiuwa/
https://nbadraftroom.com/robert-williams-nba-draft-scouting-report/
Somglad.other people.get it..
SmartWentCrazy wrote:Precious at 26? Sure. Using a lotto pick on him? YIKES!
SmartWentCrazy wrote:
The irony... people are caught up in recency bias, see what Bam did and thinking ‘Precious can be the new Bam’ without being realistic that Bam’s outlier development is not normal and wont happen again on a similar player for a long time.
Its like hoping to find the next Siakam. Its a fools errand.
threrf23 wrote:SmartWentCrazy wrote:
The irony... people are caught up in recency bias, see what Bam did and thinking ‘Precious can be the new Bam’ without being realistic that Bam’s outlier development is not normal and wont happen again on a similar player for a long time.
Just because Bam had been a little slept on, doesn't mean he wasn't a good prospect to begin with. 18 year old bigs who produce like he did, to a lesser extent freshman bigs who produce like he did, are usually sure things in the NBA. He might not have showed out as a ballhandler or passer at Kentucky, but he could score on the move and he showed solid intangibles. He hit physical maturation (this even happens to guys like Bam who start out with an NBA body), and he also ended up in a system where he is used to his strengths and his development is magnified on the surface due to good coaching.
Faried is, approximately, also the guy I thought of while initially looking at Precious. But Faried was not (to a lesser extent is not) a bad player, and if Faried/Trez is Precious' floor, and he shows flashes of a much higher ceiling, then the risk/reward ratio is pretty solid IMO.
(also, in terms of strengths, weaknesses, and profile, Precious is more in the Giannis mold than the Bam mold)Its like hoping to find the next Siakam. Its a fools errand.
That's Reed and while I generally agree that it's a fools game to look for the next Giannis/Siakam/etc, Reed fits the Siakam mold to a T. From what I have read of Reed (to a lesser extent have seen), the one thing I don't like about him is that he supposedly has a huge ego, he thinks he can score on anyone, and likes to iso regardless of whether he can score. You could say the same or close to it about Siakam IMO; and while I think Siakam is held back by that and would be more valuable if he got in where he fit in as an elite role player - it is a similar mindset that drove him to work his ass off to become the player he is today.
(fun fact, at the age of 15 Siakam was training to become a priest)
SmartWentCrazy wrote:themoneyteam2 wrote:SmartWentCrazy wrote:Precious is the same height as RWIII, has a worse wingspan and reach, has worse athleticism, less skill and a worse BBIQ. I dont get the fascination other than wanting a new, worse player cuz he has the ‘new pick shine’ to him.
Ehh I think Precious is more athletic than Timelord. He moves like a guard and is much more mobile on defense being able to switch onto guards.
Worse BBIQ for sure and measurements. Not sure about skill since Precious seems more skilled especially in HS playing on the wing. Timelord is strictly a rim runner and always has been.
But overall I agree would rather go somewhere else at 14
He just looks more athleticism cuz he has a high motor and is playing guys with meh athleticism. He has zero skills too, lets not pretend he scores any other way than by getting garbage man buckets.
Half-Full wrote:Spin Move wrote:31to6 wrote:
Precious also shot 40-something % from the line. I’m fine if we like him I guess but I see a lot of putback layups in his highlights, doesn’t seem as explosive an athlete as Jalen Smith or Paul Reed, and I may like Oturu and Nnaji better as well. But whatever as long as we get a 4/5 prospect with legitimate size to go along with whichever combo guard(s) we overdraft.
That is not correct your confusing him with some of the other bigs, he shot basically 60% from the line. He is a better athlete then anyone you mentioned, not saying he should be our pick but if we are talking pure athleticism from bigs only Okungwu has his number in this draft.
He has some skills that are very good got his size like ball handeling ability to switch but his shooting is a question mark, he shot really badly on contested jumpers, but again he is not a non shooter and given time to work may become a good shooter multiple draft sites like his shooting form. I go back and forth between whether I like him or smith better, Smith is the better scorer and shooter (not scorer) and shot blocker Precios is the better driver and ball handler and is stronger and faster. Smith has more skill Precious more upside. If we are going big at 14 they are the 2 real choices there. Smith has his own bust possibility due to his thin legs, he won't be able to add weight like Precious should be able to.
Waiting till 26 is a possiblity, I really like Oturu, I think Paul reed is a solid guy at 26 and 30 but both of those players have limited upside. Oturu likely won't be that switchable (He can probably switch onto slower wings but not fast guards despite his good athleticism testing). There are interesting prospects like Nnaji and Azabukie and Carey that are each limited but have potential to do certain things well.
Switchable big rankings
1. Okongwu
2. Wiseman
3. Precious
4. Reed
5. Nnaji
Surprised that Xavier Tillman doesn't make it into your top five ranking of switchable bigs. He is a very good defender, and just displayed some shooting skills in combine workouts.
https://saturdaytradition.com/michigan-state-football/former-michigan-state-stars-cassius-winston-and-xavier-tillman-post-elite-shooting-numbers-at-nba-combine/
As far as ability to switch on defense, I think he's generally considered very good, though at 6'8" he might have his problems with Embiid, Jokic, or Anthony Davis (who doesn't?), but against Bam Adebayo? I think he could match up well there. He is ideally a PF, but could certainly handle the center position in small ball lineups. In addition to his basketball skills, he is reported to be a team first player, good locker room glue guy.
Kalela wrote:What player in this draft would come closest to someone who can slow down Giannis Antetokounmpo and Bam Adebayo?
Bleeding Green wrote:reload141 wrote:Bleeding Green wrote:But when did those reports come out? Awfully convenient if they come out after the draft. He can say whatever he wants after the draft and there is no way to verify one way of the other.
I can comfortably confirm that Herro was our target going into the draft.
Are you Ainge or Zarren?
Nnaji didnt block shots in college he wont block shots in the pros, he might defend p n r well but not as well as the best 2 options as a big to guard those 2 Okongwu or Precious. Of non bigs Bey has a good mix of size for Bam when faces up but not when he posts up. There is a reason the guys projected bordeerline 1st 2nd round are projected there and not around 10-18 like Precious, they don't have the same level of athleticsm, that does not mean they are not good athletes, I think Nnaji can be a solid rotation player who makes jumpers off the bench eventually, but guys who don't block shots in college NEVER block them in the pro's he will not be a Myles Turner type.Squigglepuffin wrote:Kalela wrote:What player in this draft would come closest to someone who can slow down Giannis Antetokounmpo and Bam Adebayo?
Imo there is someone who because of his size and lateral quickness would come closest in this draft - but I don't think he's been taught how to play defense. He has the tools he just needs the training. I think the closest would be Zeke Nnaji.
He's young and raw. I see him eventually as a Myles Turner with much better lateral quickness and better strength. I think his shot could eventually be as good as Turner's too. I just think he needs someone to teach him how to play - because he's raw.
Nnaji's one of the biggest sleepers in this draft imo. Although I'm sure a lot of people would point to Okongwu as being the guy who has the best chance of slowing down Bam and Giannis.