Trade Thread Tread pt.2 2023-24 - (Off-season)

[Celts17Pride]

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I don't watch the college game but, like, are we better off in three years if we (effectively) trade Jaylen for Scoot?

Probably - yeah.

I doubt that trade happens, though. For reasons I mentioned previously.

[Celts17Pride]

I don't watch the college game but, like, are we better off in three years if we (effectively) trade Jaylen for Scoot?

Probably - yeah.

LOL

[CelticFaninLBC]

I'll trade anyone and everyone just to see a change in the way we play. **** boring predictable stagnant offense year after year after year that's easy to defend and gameplan against.

So trade the coach?

Three different coaches, same ****. It's not the coach.

They were top 3 in offensive efficiency this year. Seems they'll likely double down on their style of play under Coach Joe...

[djFan71]

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What's your Grant stance? Match and flip later as needed? Or get a 2nd or 2 for not matching and move on? Other?
Feels like a later domino to me, but I'm torn. I liked that he was out there competing in the ECF and his shooting is great. Don't like that's he short and a touch too slow, and looking at more $ than I want.

[zoyathedestroya]

So trade the coach?

Three different coaches, same ****. It's not the coach.

They were top 3 in offensive efficiency this year. Seems they'll likely double down on their style of play under Coach Joe...

Ultimately meant nothing when they faced a high school defense. Still bogs down in the 4th and in the clutch. Their offense needs flexibility, creativity, and diversification. More than energy, Cs offense needs rhythm and flow. Or if we're sticking with the same ****, minimize turnovers and become hyper-efficient with the tough shotmaking.

[CelticFaninLBC]

Three different coaches, same ****. It's not the coach.

They were top 3 in offensive efficiency this year. Seems they'll likely double down on their style of play under Coach Joe...

Ultimately meant nothing when they faced a high school defense. Still bogs down in the 4th and in the clutch. Their offense needs flexibility, creativity, and diversification. More than energy, Cs offense needs rhythm and flow. Or if we're sticking with the same ****, minimize turnovers and become hyper-efficient with the tough shotmaking.

Yep, but unlikely they deviate from relying on Horford, Smart, and others to hit 3's in the playoffs.

[ddb]

This thread is equivalent to watching a hamster spinning on a wheel. We don't even know that the Celtics will be offering Jaylen Brown the super max.

My personally opinion is the Celtics offer Jaylen Brown the max contract (still a lot more than what other teams can offer) and he resigns with the Celtics.

It's funny to me all these bold statements from posters when nobody knows anything.

Well, I mean this scenario is CLEARLY the most likely scenario. I think we all know that.

JB trade ideas are fun to discuss.

I'll go out on a limb and say that if he signs the supermax with Boston, within 2-3 years that will be widely considered one of the worst contracts in the league. His defense has slipped, he sucks at dribbling, he isn't a facilitator AT ALL. He's athletic and he can score. He's a decent defender when he wants to be. He is worth north of 55m? NO.

If he was our only star wing, I'd be on board with keeping him regardless of the contract situation. But factoring in that we have a superior wing superstar in Tatum, I'm 100% open to trading JB to the highest bidder.

We don't even know if the Celtics will be offering the supermax.

Jaylen will sign if they offer the supermax. If they don't, he's unlikely to sign and that will be leverage for Boston to trade him, which is probably what they want to do deep down inside.

[zoyathedestroya]

They were top 3 in offensive efficiency this year. Seems they'll likely double down on their style of play under Coach Joe...

Ultimately meant nothing when they faced a high school defense. Still bogs down in the 4th and in the clutch. Their offense needs flexibility, creativity, and diversification. More than energy, Cs offense needs rhythm and flow. Or if we're sticking with the same ****, minimize turnovers and become hyper-efficient with the tough shotmaking.

Yep, but unlikely they deviate from relying on Horford, Smart, and others to hit 3's in the playoffs.

Our stars hitting more than 20% (18/90) from 3 in the ECF would be cool too.

[fallguy]

I don't care how many championships we win.

I just care about our 3-point rate.

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

You want hot Celtics Trade Speculation, well I've got hot speculation:

Adam Jones: Any chance of Lebron being traded to the Celtics? They have the trade capital: Brown, and Lebron is invested in the Red Sox.

(Me): Hypothetically, it does kind of make some sense and the team clearly needs a talented (as in not Smart) hard ass. The Cs
can draft Bronny next year and what an Amazing Carnival that will be.

[ddb]

You want hot Celtics Trade Speculation, well I've got hot speculation:

Adam Jones: Any chance of Lebron being traded to the Celtics? They have the trade capital: Brown, and Lebron is invested in the Red Sox.

(Me): Hypothetically, it does kind of make some sense and the team clearly needs a talented (as in not Smart) hard ass. The Cs
can draft Bronny next year and what an Amazing Carnival that will be.

I thought about this idea last summer and came to the realization that it's never going to happen. LeBron needs the Celtics to be his archrival in the NBA history books.

[hugepatsfan]

BOS gives: Brogdon
BOS gets: Mann, SloMo

MIN gives: SloMo
MIN gets: Pritchard, #35, Covington

LAC gives: Mann
LAC gets: Brogdon


We'd have:

Smart
White / Mann
Brown / Hauser
Tatum / SloMo / Gallinari / Champagnie
Horford / RWilliams / Muscala / Kornet

Those 13 players cost a combined $159.4M. That puts us $2.6M below the tax line. We could probably squeak under the tax if we wanted.

If we're willing to be a tax team again though, we could use the tax payers MLE. The first tax apron is $169M so we'd have $9.6M of room (enough to fill last two spots with a MLE and vet min). 2nd aprin is $179.5M and we're weeeeeel below that with $20.1M to spare on the last two spots.

[Marvel]

LeBron hates Boston don't he?

[zoyathedestroya]

BOS gives: Brogdon
BOS gets: Mann, SloMo

MIN gives: SloMo
MIN gets: Pritchard, #35, Covington

LAC gives: Mann
LAC gets: Brogdon


We'd have:

Smart
White / Mann
Brown / Hauser
Tatum / SloMo / Gallinari / Champagnie
Horford / RWilliams / Muscala / Kornet

Those 13 players cost a combined $159.4M. That puts us $2.6M below the tax line. We could probably squeak under the tax if we wanted.

If we're willing to be a tax team again though, we could use the tax payers MLE. The first tax apron is $169M so we'd have $9.6M of room (enough to fill last two spots with a MLE and vet min). 2nd aprin is $179.5M and we're weeeeeel below that with $20.1M to spare on the last two spots.

If this can even be a thing, sign me up 10x.

[165bows]

Their biggest advantage is just south beach.

No, their biggest advantage is their ability to build a team that plays the right way, not a random collection of stars. This was San Antonio's formula as well.

Sure they've played great, hats off to them. But they have $10M+ more in committed salary next season than Boston does with more of their rotation being FAs (Grant Williams vs. Strus/Martin/Love) and don't seem to be able to spend nearly what Boston has.

They've also got a super-underrated top guy in Butler who's got 2 maybe three years left max. So play style is great but they were one game away from getting bounced twice (play-in and ECF) and it's not going to get any easier for them due to all of the above.

Real move they need to make is trade Lowry for a lesser paid over-paid guy who could bounce back with their team kombucha like you say. Maybe Toronto wants him for the nostalgia or just pay to dump him to a cap space team for a year of Markelle Fultz or maybe Buddy Hield.

Whereas Boston's path to getting better is just make some better fitting tweaks and stop playing like dumba**es.

To follow up on the Miami situation, over the next few years they are:

3rd in total committed salary for next year (currently projected to start over the second apron once they make a draft pick/fill the next 4 roster spots), 5th in 24-25, and 2nd in total committed salary in 25-26 among only 4-5 players.

Seems like a lock they are going to trade Lowry for some cheaper guys, prob. sending out some assets. Then have to figure it out the next year again after that.

[djFan71]

No, their biggest advantage is their ability to build a team that plays the right way, not a random collection of stars. This was San Antonio's formula as well.

Sure they've played great, hats off to them. But they have $10M+ more in committed salary next season than Boston does with more of their rotation being FAs (Grant Williams vs. Strus/Martin/Love) and don't seem to be able to spend nearly what Boston has.

They've also got a super-underrated top guy in Butler who's got 2 maybe three years left max. So play style is great but they were one game away from getting bounced twice (play-in and ECF) and it's not going to get any easier for them due to all of the above.

Real move they need to make is trade Lowry for a lesser paid over-paid guy who could bounce back with their team kombucha like you say. Maybe Toronto wants him for the nostalgia or just pay to dump him to a cap space team for a year of Markelle Fultz or maybe Buddy Hield.

Whereas Boston's path to getting better is just make some better fitting tweaks and stop playing like dumba**es.

To follow up on the Miami situation, over the next few years they are:

3rd in total committed salary for next year (currently projected to start over the second apron once they make a draft pick/fill the next 4 roster spots), 5th in 24-25, and 2nd in total committed salary in 25-26 among only 4-5 players.

Seems like a lock they are going to trade Lowry for some cheaper guys, prob. sending out some assets. Then have to figure it out the next year again after that.

Can you still waive/stretch in the new CBA? Haven't heard anything about that.

[Celts17Pride]

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What's your Grant stance? Match and flip later as needed? Or get a 2nd or 2 for not matching and move on? Other?
Feels like a later domino to me, but I'm torn. I liked that he was out there competing in the ECF and his shooting is great. Don't like that's he short and a touch too slow, and looking at more $ than I want.

Match and flip later as needed is what I would do. Celtics are not going to have ways to get talent so you just don't want talent walking out the door for nothing in my opinion.

[Curmudgeon]

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[Riverwalk2021]

Grant Williams. Don't let the door hit you on the way out. He's really limited on both ends, getting heavier by the day, and his immaturity is annoying. I'd rather reallocate those resources elsewhere like addressing our putrid frontcourt, and let Hauser soak up his minutes who I feel has way more upside at this point not to mention being on a great contract. If they want to do a S&T with Grant, by all means but I don't want him back next season. We can do a lot better.