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Post#1401 » by 165bows » Wed Jul 19, 2023 1:24 pm

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Fierce1 wrote:Russell, Cowens, Parish, McHale, and KG all resulted in the Celtics winning a chip.

Celts never won a chip without a quality big man.

The 1990s resulted in ZERO championships for the Celtics because they had Radja, Battie, and Potapenko as bigs.

Basketball is a game for tall people.


The Celtics didn’t win a championship during the 1990s because after Bird retired and Reggie died, they **** sucked. And they didn’t have Bias as the star to carry them past Larry because he also **** died. Having a 6’1” shooting guard (Dee Brown) as your best player isn’t the way to build a champion, but that’s where bad luck put them. Oh and tanking for Timmy didn’t pay off. Thanks for bringing up a lot of painful memories!

Also: Dino is in the HOF and would’ve easily won titles as a key big if he’d been a Chicago Bull.
Also #2: Battie played for Boston from 1999 — 2003.

Bird and McHale were elite players all time but didn’t have elite longevity.
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Post#1402 » by zoyathedestroya » Wed Jul 19, 2023 1:32 pm

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Celtics_Champs wrote:Jaylen still at that event?

I believe this is a different event he's going to now.

I believe he was in Vegas for the past week or so, negotiating a contract extension with the Celtics (but oddly, has not attended any of the Celtics 3 summer league games that I'm aware of). He's been eligible to sign it since July 1, and he could have been negotiating it well before that.

It's most likely this:

https://sanctuary.nbpa.com/summit

Yep, he’s in Andalucia, Spain.

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Post#1403 » by tfribs45 » Wed Jul 19, 2023 1:34 pm

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tfribs45 wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:If KP is healthy then it's a sure upgrade.

Smart and Grant healthy never resulted in a championship.


true but we've been knocking on that door and if you add a vet coach last year, we're at the least in the Finals. The owner and players ran the team when Joe couldn't hold his own. When's the last time you heard of players running the timeouts during a playoff game? Or how about an Owner ripping the team in the locker room during a seven game series for the ECF? This group needed change but it seems like more of a dismantle happening as they cater to Joe's/Brad's 3 ball philosophy. Needless to say, they are all in on Joe and it's win or pack your bags time!

Oh please. Veteran players speak up during timeouts all the time.





There's countless other times this has happened in NBA history.

You don't have to turn every conversation into an attack on Mazzulla.


Thats why it's a message board Hal, freedom of speech boyeeeeee. Not everyone has time to post every minute of the day 24/7. There's a whole world out their besides RealGM message board lmao. Joe was given the HC position prematurely, I hope he proves the doubters wrong, but the way he handled himself last season was amateur hour at best! You want to be positive Pete about the offseason, that's on you. As of right now, I agree with Mannix and feel this roster is weaker then last years.
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Post#1404 » by BK_2020 » Wed Jul 19, 2023 1:35 pm

31to6 wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:Russell, Cowens, Parish, McHale, and KG all resulted in the Celtics winning a chip.

Celts never won a chip without a quality big man.

The 1990s resulted in ZERO championships for the Celtics because they had Radja, Battie, and Potapenko as bigs.

Basketball is a game for tall people.


The Celtics didn’t win a championship during the 1990s because after Bird retired and Reggie died, they **** sucked. And they didn’t have Bias as the star to carry them past Larry because he also **** died. Having a 6’1” shooting guard (Dee Brown) as your best player isn’t the way to build a champion, but that’s where bad luck put them. Oh and tanking for Timmy didn’t pay off. Thanks for bringing up a lot of painful memories!

Also: Dino is in the HOF and would’ve easily won titles as a key big if he’d been a Chicago Bull.
Also #2: Battie played for Boston from 1999 — 2003.

We wasted Dino Radja's prime....
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Post#1405 » by Curmudgeon » Wed Jul 19, 2023 1:50 pm

LOL, I remember watching Dino in the 2000 Olympics when he weighed about 350 pounds.
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Post#1406 » by Celts17Pride » Wed Jul 19, 2023 1:51 pm

tfribs45 wrote:As of right now, I agree with Mannix and feel this roster is weaker then last years.


I agree 100%. I also don't think Brad Stevens is done. I don't drink green flavored kool-aid. Celtics in my opinion are anywhere between a 1-4 seed in the East. Celtics are relying on good health from Brogdon, R Williams, Porzingis (3 guys that are not known for being healthy) and that Horford's production doesn't fall off a cliff at age 37 like it did in last year's playoffs. That's 4 of their Top 7 with red flags. Being kind, the best way to describe the bench is unproven. Tatum, Brown and White are really the only players you can count on.

If everything goes the Celtics way you can easily see them being the top team in the East but something happens to a few of the Brogdon, Horford, Porzingis, R Williams foursome you can easily see a 4th seed.

Like I said, it's still relatively early in the off-season and I don't think Brad Stevens is done.
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Post#1407 » by return2glory » Wed Jul 19, 2023 2:14 pm

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tfribs45 wrote:As of right now, I agree with Mannix and feel this roster is weaker then last years.


I agree 100%. I also don't think Brad Stevens is done. I don't drink green flavored kool-aid. Celtics in my opinion are anywhere between a 1-4 seed in the East. Celtics are relying on good health from Brogdon, R Williams, Porzingis (3 guys that are not known for being healthy) and that Horford's production doesn't fall off a cliff at age 37 like it did in last year's playoffs. That's 4 of their Top 7 with red flags. Being kind, the best way to describe the bench is unproven. Tatum, Brown and White are really the only players you can count on.

If everything goes the Celtics way you can easily see them being the top team in the East but something happens to a few of the Brogdon, Horford, Porzingis, R Williams foursome you can easily see a 4th seed.

Like I said, it's still relatively early in the off-season and I don't think Brad Stevens is done.


Porzingis is a huge upgrade in talent over Smart.

I liked Grant, but Joe wasn't even using him for most of the 2nd half of the season and playoffs. Brissett and Walsh could give us what Grant was giving us.

So this team is better than last year's team. People are sleeping on Brogdon and Pritchard.

We still need one more quality big. Prozingis and Al aren't enough.
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Post#1408 » by Hal14 » Wed Jul 19, 2023 2:28 pm

return2glory wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:
tfribs45 wrote:As of right now, I agree with Mannix and feel this roster is weaker then last years.


I agree 100%. I also don't think Brad Stevens is done. I don't drink green flavored kool-aid. Celtics in my opinion are anywhere between a 1-4 seed in the East. Celtics are relying on good health from Brogdon, R Williams, Porzingis (3 guys that are not known for being healthy) and that Horford's production doesn't fall off a cliff at age 37 like it did in last year's playoffs. That's 4 of their Top 7 with red flags. Being kind, the best way to describe the bench is unproven. Tatum, Brown and White are really the only players you can count on.

If everything goes the Celtics way you can easily see them being the top team in the East but something happens to a few of the Brogdon, Horford, Porzingis, R Williams foursome you can easily see a 4th seed.

Like I said, it's still relatively early in the off-season and I don't think Brad Stevens is done.


Porzingis is a huge upgrade in talent over Smart.

I liked Grant, but Joe wasn't even using him for most of the 2nd half of the season and playoffs. Brissett and Walsh could give us what Grant was giving us.

So this team is better than last year's team. People are sleeping on Brogdon and Pritchard.

We still need one more quality big. Prozingis and Al aren't enough.

You forget about Rob?
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Post#1409 » by Fantaxp7 » Wed Jul 19, 2023 2:28 pm

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Celts17Pride wrote:
tfribs45 wrote:As of right now, I agree with Mannix and feel this roster is weaker then last years.


I agree 100%. I also don't think Brad Stevens is done. I don't drink green flavored kool-aid. Celtics in my opinion are anywhere between a 1-4 seed in the East. Celtics are relying on good health from Brogdon, R Williams, Porzingis (3 guys that are not known for being healthy) and that Horford's production doesn't fall off a cliff at age 37 like it did in last year's playoffs. That's 4 of their Top 7 with red flags. Being kind, the best way to describe the bench is unproven. Tatum, Brown and White are really the only players you can count on.

If everything goes the Celtics way you can easily see them being the top team in the East but something happens to a few of the Brogdon, Horford, Porzingis, R Williams foursome you can easily see a 4th seed.

Like I said, it's still relatively early in the off-season and I don't think Brad Stevens is done.


Porzingis is a huge upgrade in talent over Smart.

I liked Grant, but Joe wasn't even using him for most of the 2nd half of the season and playoffs. Brissett and Walsh could give us what Grant was giving us.

So this team is better than last year's team. People are sleeping on Brogdon and Pritchard.

We still need one more quality big. Prozingis and Al aren't enough.


I think if Al is managed properly and healthy for the matchups we need him for, we should be in a good position. It'll be interesting to see what Porzingis can do to try and disrupt bigs like Embiid with length...if he can at all.

But yes another big would be nice...not sure who with what little money we have left.

Overall I think the talent level is higher and Brad making these moves while taking a risk on health is worth it...I didn't think we should just try and run it back with the same people. We had to move pieces to make things happen while committing to these huge contracts....I think he is doing all the right things.

And as others have said the off season isn't done.
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Post#1410 » by BK_2020 » Wed Jul 19, 2023 2:29 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
tfribs45 wrote:As of right now, I agree with Mannix and feel this roster is weaker then last years.


I agree 100%. I also don't think Brad Stevens is done. I don't drink green flavored kool-aid. Celtics in my opinion are anywhere between a 1-4 seed in the East. Celtics are relying on good health from Brogdon, R Williams, Porzingis (3 guys that are not known for being healthy) and that Horford's production doesn't fall off a cliff at age 37 like it did in last year's playoffs. That's 4 of their Top 7 with red flags. Being kind, the best way to describe the bench is unproven. Tatum, Brown and White are really the only players you can count on.

If everything goes the Celtics way you can easily see them being the top team in the East but something happens to a few of the Brogdon, Horford, Porzingis, R Williams foursome you can easily see a 4th seed.

Like I said, it's still relatively early in the off-season and I don't think Brad Stevens is done.


How do they fare compared to other top 4 teams?

Bucks - relying on good health from Giannis, Lopez and Middleton, 3 guys that are not known for being healthy, and that Lopez (35) and Jrue (33) don't fall of a cliff.

Sixers - relying on good health from Embiid and Harden. Harden is 34, Tucker is 38, Pat Bev 35.

Miami - relying on good health from Jimmy, Lowry, Herro and if they get him Dame. Jimmy will be 34. Lowry is 37. Love will be 35.

I don't see how you can look at their benches and think they are good and proven, either.
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Post#1411 » by tfribs45 » Wed Jul 19, 2023 2:35 pm

return2glory wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:
tfribs45 wrote:As of right now, I agree with Mannix and feel this roster is weaker then last years.


I agree 100%. I also don't think Brad Stevens is done. I don't drink green flavored kool-aid. Celtics in my opinion are anywhere between a 1-4 seed in the East. Celtics are relying on good health from Brogdon, R Williams, Porzingis (3 guys that are not known for being healthy) and that Horford's production doesn't fall off a cliff at age 37 like it did in last year's playoffs. That's 4 of their Top 7 with red flags. Being kind, the best way to describe the bench is unproven. Tatum, Brown and White are really the only players you can count on.

If everything goes the Celtics way you can easily see them being the top team in the East but something happens to a few of the Brogdon, Horford, Porzingis, R Williams foursome you can easily see a 4th seed.

Like I said, it's still relatively early in the off-season and I don't think Brad Stevens is done.


Porzingis is a huge upgrade in talent over Smart.

I liked Grant, but Joe wasn't even using him for most of the 2nd half of the season and playoffs. Brissett and Walsh could give us what Grant was giving us.

So this team is better than last year's team. People are sleeping on Brogdon and Pritchard.

We still need one more quality big. Prozingis and Al aren't enough.


Brogdan and White will be strong but PP as a third option is not ideal. Need another PG , PP is a defensive liability as we've all seen teams picking on him the minute he sniffs the court.
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Post#1412 » by Hal14 » Wed Jul 19, 2023 2:36 pm

BK_2020 wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:
tfribs45 wrote:As of right now, I agree with Mannix and feel this roster is weaker then last years.


I agree 100%. I also don't think Brad Stevens is done. I don't drink green flavored kool-aid. Celtics in my opinion are anywhere between a 1-4 seed in the East. Celtics are relying on good health from Brogdon, R Williams, Porzingis (3 guys that are not known for being healthy) and that Horford's production doesn't fall off a cliff at age 37 like it did in last year's playoffs. That's 4 of their Top 7 with red flags. Being kind, the best way to describe the bench is unproven. Tatum, Brown and White are really the only players you can count on.

If everything goes the Celtics way you can easily see them being the top team in the East but something happens to a few of the Brogdon, Horford, Porzingis, R Williams foursome you can easily see a 4th seed.

Like I said, it's still relatively early in the off-season and I don't think Brad Stevens is done.


How do they fare compared to other top 4 teams?

Bucks - relying on good health from Giannis, Lopez and Middleton, 3 guys that are not known for being healthy, and that Lopez (35) and Jrue (33) don't fall of a cliff.

Sixers - relying on good health from Embiid and Harden. Harden is 34, Tucker is 38, Pat Bev 35.

Miami - relying on good health from Jimmy, Lowry, Herro and if they get him Dame. Jimmy will be 34. Lowry is 37. Love will be 35.

I don't see how you can look at their benches and think they are good and proven, either.

Cavs will be good. They could certainly end up in the top 4.

Knicks, idk. They're definitely top 6. Maybe higher. Depending on what Philly gets for Harden, it would not shock me if Philly ends up 6 seed, behind knicks and cavs..and Miami was 8 seed last year, so they certainly could end up in that 6-8 range again this season..
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Post#1413 » by Fantaxp7 » Wed Jul 19, 2023 2:39 pm

BK_2020 wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:
tfribs45 wrote:As of right now, I agree with Mannix and feel this roster is weaker then last years.


I agree 100%. I also don't think Brad Stevens is done. I don't drink green flavored kool-aid. Celtics in my opinion are anywhere between a 1-4 seed in the East. Celtics are relying on good health from Brogdon, R Williams, Porzingis (3 guys that are not known for being healthy) and that Horford's production doesn't fall off a cliff at age 37 like it did in last year's playoffs. That's 4 of their Top 7 with red flags. Being kind, the best way to describe the bench is unproven. Tatum, Brown and White are really the only players you can count on.

If everything goes the Celtics way you can easily see them being the top team in the East but something happens to a few of the Brogdon, Horford, Porzingis, R Williams foursome you can easily see a 4th seed.

Like I said, it's still relatively early in the off-season and I don't think Brad Stevens is done.


How do they fare compared to other top 4 teams?

Bucks - relying on good health from Giannis, Lopez and Middleton, 3 guys that are not known for being healthy, and that Lopez (35) and Jrue (33) don't fall of a cliff.

Sixers - relying on good health from Embiid and Harden. Harden is 34, Tucker is 38, Pat Bev 35.

Miami - relying on good health from Jimmy, Lowry, Herro and if they get him Dame. Jimmy will be 34. Lowry is 37. Love will be 35.

I don't see how you can look at their benches and think they are good and proven, either.


Also our top two players have continued to improve each year. I'd argue Embiid and Giannis are basically at their peaks.
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Post#1414 » by Celts17Pride » Wed Jul 19, 2023 2:48 pm

BK_2020 wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:
tfribs45 wrote:As of right now, I agree with Mannix and feel this roster is weaker then last years.


I agree 100%. I also don't think Brad Stevens is done. I don't drink green flavored kool-aid. Celtics in my opinion are anywhere between a 1-4 seed in the East. Celtics are relying on good health from Brogdon, R Williams, Porzingis (3 guys that are not known for being healthy) and that Horford's production doesn't fall off a cliff at age 37 like it did in last year's playoffs. That's 4 of their Top 7 with red flags. Being kind, the best way to describe the bench is unproven. Tatum, Brown and White are really the only players you can count on.

If everything goes the Celtics way you can easily see them being the top team in the East but something happens to a few of the Brogdon, Horford, Porzingis, R Williams foursome you can easily see a 4th seed.

Like I said, it's still relatively early in the off-season and I don't think Brad Stevens is done.


How do they fare compared to other top 4 teams?

Bucks - relying on good health from Giannis, Lopez and Middleton, 3 guys that are not known for being healthy, and that Lopez (35) and Jrue (33) don't fall of a cliff.

Sixers - relying on good health from Embiid and Harden. Harden is 34, Tucker is 38, Pat Bev 35.

Miami - relying on good health from Jimmy, Lowry, Herro and if they get him Dame. Jimmy will be 34. Lowry is 37. Love will be 35.

I don't see how you can look at their benches and think they are good and proven, either.

Don't think saying the Celtics could be anywhere between 1-4 seed is that controversial.
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Post#1415 » by ddb » Wed Jul 19, 2023 2:52 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
tfribs45 wrote:As of right now, I agree with Mannix and feel this roster is weaker then last years.


I agree 100%. I also don't think Brad Stevens is done. I don't drink green flavored kool-aid. Celtics in my opinion are anywhere between a 1-4 seed in the East. Celtics are relying on good health from Brogdon, R Williams, Porzingis (3 guys that are not known for being healthy) and that Horford's production doesn't fall off a cliff at age 37 like it did in last year's playoffs. That's 4 of their Top 7 with red flags. Being kind, the best way to describe the bench is unproven. Tatum, Brown and White are really the only players you can count on.

If everything goes the Celtics way you can easily see them being the top team in the East but something happens to a few of the Brogdon, Horford, Porzingis, R Williams foursome you can easily see a 4th seed.

Like I said, it's still relatively early in the off-season and I don't think Brad Stevens is done.


There's no way Brad is done. More is coming. But I also don't think the current roster is weaker than last years. If anything, it's better.

Out: Marcus Smart, Grant Williams, Muscala, Gallo
In: Kristaps, Brissett, Banton, pick used on Walsh, future 1st rd pick, multiple future 2nd rd picks

If people would get their heads out of their a$$es over Marcus Smart, they would realize this offseason has been a major win, so far. People don't want to hear it, but it's addition by subtraction expanding Derrick White's role. Marcus Smart is a good guy, he works his tail off, and he's respected. I get that. But he's been the most polarizing player in a Celtics uniform since Rondo. For every good play he makes, he makes multiple bad plays. Half his good plays are make-up for a bad shot or turnover. Not to mention his defense really slipped this past season. Derrick White on the other hand is trending up. He's the connective tissue guy that always makes players around him better.
Grant.....Inconsistent role on the team. Had is good moments, but at 15m per season it just wasn't worth it. Not when Brad was able to draft a STEAL in Jordan Walsh who could very well end up being a better version of Grant. And he signed bargain basement talent like Brissett & Banton who are both taller, longer, more athletic than Grant.

And on top of it all. Kristaps! He's by far the best player involved in the Celtics offseason transactions. He adds so much to the bag for Boston. Last season the Celtics had JT/JB who could score, and then there was a dip to the complimentary guys like White, Brogdon, and Smart who were all sharing time. Now, there's THREE 20ppg guys, all of which will play heavy minutes. Then we still have White who I expect to have his best season, AND Brogdon (if he's still on the roster).

I haven't even brought up the picks which gives Boston more flexibility to make future moves, or to draft cost controlled players to supplement the existing roster.

Great offseason. I don't get where Mannix is coming from.
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Post#1416 » by Hal14 » Wed Jul 19, 2023 2:52 pm

roster reset.

1 tatum
2 brown
3 KP
4 white
5 rob
6 al
7 brogdon
8 hauser
9 Pritchard
10 Brissett
11 Kornet (non guaranteed)
12 Walsh
13 Banton
14 Champagnie (non guaranteed)

My guess?
-Champagnie gets waived before his next guarantee date of 8/1.
-We sign a wing to take his spot (someone like Danny Green, Lamar Stevens, Javonte Green, Austin Rivers or Terence Davis) to the minimum
-We head into training camp with those 14 spots filled. 15th spot, you either leave it open to start the season (for more flexibility for future moves and to save some $) or you let a few exhibit 10 guys battle it out in training camp for that last roster spot
-Fill the last 2-way slot with a big. Ideally Dominick Barlow, but Spurs will probably sign him, so if not maybe we sign someone like Charles Bediako, Jack Nunge, Jake Stephens or Udoka Azuibuke.

At this point, it seems likely that we will extend JB and extend White.

This seems like the likely scenario, but it could shake things up quite a bit if either JB, Brogdon or Pritchard gets traded..
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Post#1417 » by Celts17Pride » Wed Jul 19, 2023 3:05 pm

ddb wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:
tfribs45 wrote:As of right now, I agree with Mannix and feel this roster is weaker then last years.


I agree 100%. I also don't think Brad Stevens is done. I don't drink green flavored kool-aid. Celtics in my opinion are anywhere between a 1-4 seed in the East. Celtics are relying on good health from Brogdon, R Williams, Porzingis (3 guys that are not known for being healthy) and that Horford's production doesn't fall off a cliff at age 37 like it did in last year's playoffs. That's 4 of their Top 7 with red flags. Being kind, the best way to describe the bench is unproven. Tatum, Brown and White are really the only players you can count on.

If everything goes the Celtics way you can easily see them being the top team in the East but something happens to a few of the Brogdon, Horford, Porzingis, R Williams foursome you can easily see a 4th seed.

Like I said, it's still relatively early in the off-season and I don't think Brad Stevens is done.


There's no way Brad is done. More is coming. But I also don't think the current roster is weaker than last years. If anything, it's better.

Out: Marcus Smart, Grant Williams, Muscala, Gallo
In: Kristaps, Brissett, Banton, pick used on Walsh, future 1st rd pick, multiple future 2nd rd picks

If people would get their heads out of their a$$es over Marcus Smart, they would realize this offseason has been a major win, so far. People don't want to hear it, but it's addition by subtraction expanding Derrick White's role. Marcus Smart is a good guy, he works his tail off, and he's respected. I get that. But he's been the most polarizing player in a Celtics uniform since Rondo. For every good play he makes, he makes multiple bad plays. Half his good plays are make-up for a bad shot or turnover. Not to mention his defense really slipped this past season. Derrick White on the other hand is trending up. He's the connective tissue guy that always makes players around him better.
Grant.....Inconsistent role on the team. Had is good moments, but at 15m per season it just wasn't worth it. Not when Brad was able to draft a STEAL in Jordan Walsh who could very well end up being a better version of Grant. And he signed bargain basement talent like Brissett & Banton who are both taller, longer, more athletic than Grant.

And on top of it all. Kristaps! He's by far the best player involved in the Celtics offseason transactions. He adds so much to the bag for Boston. Last season the Celtics had JT/JB who could score, and then there was a dip to the complimentary guys like White, Brogdon, and Smart who were all sharing time. Now, there's THREE 20ppg guys, all of which will play heavy minutes. Then we still have White who I expect to have his best season, AND Brogdon (if he's still on the roster).

I haven't even brought up the picks which gives Boston more flexibility to make future moves, or to draft cost controlled players to supplement the existing roster.

Great offseason. I don't get where Mannix is coming from.

Top end talent is better by far. Again in my opinion, it comes down to the Brogdon, RW3, Porzingis trio staying healthy and Big Al not falling off a cliff.
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Post#1418 » by ddb » Wed Jul 19, 2023 3:12 pm

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I agree 100%. I also don't think Brad Stevens is done. I don't drink green flavored kool-aid. Celtics in my opinion are anywhere between a 1-4 seed in the East. Celtics are relying on good health from Brogdon, R Williams, Porzingis (3 guys that are not known for being healthy) and that Horford's production doesn't fall off a cliff at age 37 like it did in last year's playoffs. That's 4 of their Top 7 with red flags. Being kind, the best way to describe the bench is unproven. Tatum, Brown and White are really the only players you can count on.

If everything goes the Celtics way you can easily see them being the top team in the East but something happens to a few of the Brogdon, Horford, Porzingis, R Williams foursome you can easily see a 4th seed.

Like I said, it's still relatively early in the off-season and I don't think Brad Stevens is done.


There's no way Brad is done. More is coming. But I also don't think the current roster is weaker than last years. If anything, it's better.

Out: Marcus Smart, Grant Williams, Muscala, Gallo
In: Kristaps, Brissett, Banton, pick used on Walsh, future 1st rd pick, multiple future 2nd rd picks

If people would get their heads out of their a$$es over Marcus Smart, they would realize this offseason has been a major win, so far. People don't want to hear it, but it's addition by subtraction expanding Derrick White's role. Marcus Smart is a good guy, he works his tail off, and he's respected. I get that. But he's been the most polarizing player in a Celtics uniform since Rondo. For every good play he makes, he makes multiple bad plays. Half his good plays are make-up for a bad shot or turnover. Not to mention his defense really slipped this past season. Derrick White on the other hand is trending up. He's the connective tissue guy that always makes players around him better.
Grant.....Inconsistent role on the team. Had is good moments, but at 15m per season it just wasn't worth it. Not when Brad was able to draft a STEAL in Jordan Walsh who could very well end up being a better version of Grant. And he signed bargain basement talent like Brissett & Banton who are both taller, longer, more athletic than Grant.

And on top of it all. Kristaps! He's by far the best player involved in the Celtics offseason transactions. He adds so much to the bag for Boston. Last season the Celtics had JT/JB who could score, and then there was a dip to the complimentary guys like White, Brogdon, and Smart who were all sharing time. Now, there's THREE 20ppg guys, all of which will play heavy minutes. Then we still have White who I expect to have his best season, AND Brogdon (if he's still on the roster).

I haven't even brought up the picks which gives Boston more flexibility to make future moves, or to draft cost controlled players to supplement the existing roster.

Great offseason. I don't get where Mannix is coming from.

Top end talent is better by far. Again in my opinion, it comes down to the Brogdon, RW3, Porzingis trio staying healthy and Big Al not falling off a cliff.


The Lakers season really depends on LeBron and AD staying healthy. The Bucks season really depends on if Giannis, Middleton, and Brook stay healthy. Miami's season will come down to Butler's availability. The Nuggets will cross their fingers that MPJ and Murray can stay on the court. Can JOJO Embiid remain durable throughout the course of the season? Not to mention the James Harden situation. Dallas had a solid offseason. Hopefully, Kyrie doesn't decide to take a mission trip mid-way through the season. Phoenix is a powerhouse when KD, Beal, Bol Bol are all healthy and at their peak.

Can say the same thing about every contender in the league
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Post#1419 » by ddb » Wed Jul 19, 2023 3:28 pm

I would LOVE to see Brad sign Ayo Dosunmu. He's an RFA, so I'd imagine there would need to be some sort of S&T to facilitate him going to Boston. Love this kid. 6'5 in shoes. Bulls have depth at guard, and I'd imagine are open to moving him.
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Post#1420 » by Celts17Pride » Wed Jul 19, 2023 3:30 pm

ddb wrote:I would LOVE to see Brad sign Ayo Dosunmu. He's an RFA, so I'd imagine there would need to be some sort of S&T to facilitate him going to Boston. Love this kid. 6'5 in shoes. Bulls have depth at guard, and I'd imagine are open to moving him.

Celtics can't do a sign and trade they will be hard capped at the 1st apron of $172.3 million. I do really like the player.

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