Trade Landscape/Trade Ideas

[165bows]

I agree on Bradley, I'm not trading him for a guy that might turn into Bradley. A few thoughts on the list, at least two of the three (Phoenix, Charlotte) could use help at the three, but I'm not sure the return is in place there to give up from either of those clubs to make it worth it for both sides.

I couldn't help combining rumors and think that Phoenix might want Jeff green if they can somehow land Kevin Love. Love publicly cranking about teammates makes me think MIN would be smart to pit Phoenix and Chicago against each other and move him now, when they can get the best possible return.

If so, moving more to upgrade from PJ Tucker to Green would be a big deal for them, I think, as they'd need to look competitive to get Love's ink on the paper. Getting Green would also enable Phoenix to move the Morris' as a package along with Len and picks. But that's a ridiculous amount of speculation and still not sure that Phoenix has enough ammo to make both deals worth it for all parties.

Also, not sure why Detroit isn't on this list. It seems to me like they almost have to do something in the next 5-6 weeks.

[Slartibartfast]

I agree on Bradley, I'm not trading him for a guy that might turn into Bradley. A few thoughts on the list, at least two of the three (Phoenix, Charlotte) could use help at the three, but I'm not sure the return is in place there to give up from either of those clubs to make it worth it for both sides.

I couldn't help combining rumors and think that Phoenix might want Jeff green if they can somehow land Kevin Love. Love publicly cranking about teammates makes me think MIN would be smart to pit Phoenix and Chicago against each other and move him now, when they can get the best possible return.

If so, moving more to upgrade from PJ Tucker to Green would be a big deal for them, I think, as they'd need to look competitive to get Love's ink on the paper. Getting Green would also enable Phoenix to move the Morris' as a package along with Len and picks. But that's a ridiculous amount of speculation and still not sure that Phoenix has enough ammo to make both deals worth it for all parties.

Also, not sure why Detroit isn't on this list. It seems to me like they almost have to do something in the next 5-6 weeks.

I think Phoenix' problem in the Love sweepstakes is that they have a rebuilding package (picks and unproven prospects) whereas Minny would want more established talent in return.

[Pogue Mahone]

I was fiddling away on my lunch break and was coming to post some trade ideas that have been stuck in my head lately. One, in particular, was Charlotte. You guys already beat me to the punch.

Trade

Boston
Trades Jeff Green, Brandon Bass and MarShon Brooks

Charlotte
Trades Ben Gordon and Bismack Biyombo

Why:

BOS: Shed long-term salary. Save ~$12M in 2014 and as much as $9.5M in 2015. Get a young center prospect that would help our frontcourt situation. Celtics retain all picks.

CHA: Gordon (~15 MPG) and Biyombo (~17 MPG) are not big losses in the immediate future for a playoff push. Bass and Green significantly upgrade the LOLCats rotation and Charlotte pays for the right to do that. Brooks is a throw-in to make the money work/avoid the inclusion of a pick.

[j_angel]

I was fiddling away on my lunch break and was coming to post some trade ideas that have been stuck in my head lately. One, in particular, was Charlotte. You guys already beat me to the punch.

Trade

Boston
Trades Jeff Green, Brandon Bass and MarShon Brooks

Charlotte
Trades Ben Gordon and Bismack Biyombo

Why:

BOS: Shed long-term salary. Save ~$12M in 2014 and as much as $9.5M in 2015. Get a young center prospect that would help our frontcourt situation. Celtics retain all picks.

CHA: Gordon (~15 MPG) and Biyombo (~17 MPG) are not big losses in the immediate future for a playoff push. Bass and Green significantly upgrade the LOLCats rotation and Charlotte pays for the right to do that. Brooks is a throw-in to make the money work/avoid the inclusion of a pick.

I like the idea of Green/Bass to Charlotte but Biyombo is undersized and hasnt shown a lot in his 3rd season - he is still very raw.

Swap it for MKG and I am all ears, doubt Charlotte are though. Having said that Walker - Henderson - Green - Bass - Jefferson is an interesting team.

[CelticFaninLBC]

I was fiddling away on my lunch break and was coming to post some trade ideas that have been stuck in my head lately. One, in particular, was Charlotte. You guys already beat me to the punch.

Trade

Boston
Trades Jeff Green, Brandon Bass and MarShon Brooks

Charlotte
Trades Ben Gordon and Bismack Biyombo

Why:

BOS: Shed long-term salary. Save ~$12M in 2014 and as much as $9.5M in 2015. Get a young center prospect that would help our frontcourt situation. Celtics retain all picks.

CHA: Gordon (~15 MPG) and Biyombo (~17 MPG) are not big losses in the immediate future for a playoff push. Bass and Green significantly upgrade the LOLCats rotation and Charlotte pays for the right to do that. Brooks is a throw-in to make the money work/avoid the inclusion of a pick.

Sign me up... What do you think is Biyombo's ceiling? Larry Sanders or Theo Ratliff type??

[165bows]

I agree on Bradley, I'm not trading him for a guy that might turn into Bradley. A few thoughts on the list, at least two of the three (Phoenix, Charlotte) could use help at the three, but I'm not sure the return is in place there to give up from either of those clubs to make it worth it for both sides.

I couldn't help combining rumors and think that Phoenix might want Jeff green if they can somehow land Kevin Love. Love publicly cranking about teammates makes me think MIN would be smart to pit Phoenix and Chicago against each other and move him now, when they can get the best possible return.

If so, moving more to upgrade from PJ Tucker to Green would be a big deal for them, I think, as they'd need to look competitive to get Love's ink on the paper. Getting Green would also enable Phoenix to move the Morris' as a package along with Len and picks. But that's a ridiculous amount of speculation and still not sure that Phoenix has enough ammo to make both deals worth it for all parties.

Also, not sure why Detroit isn't on this list. It seems to me like they almost have to do something in the next 5-6 weeks.

I think Phoenix' problem in the Love sweepstakes is that they have a rebuilding package (picks and unproven prospects) whereas Minny would want more established talent in return.

Possibly, but MIN does owe it's pick this year top 13 protected to Phoenix. If they go all out for the playoffs and miss, that would have bad consequences. What a bonehead move by Kahn to give that up in a salary dump.

Just for ****'s and giggles:

Phoenix sends: Len, the Morrises, A. Goodwin and say Minnesota's own pick back, next year's Laker's pick, and this year's Indiana pick (or a future Phoenix pick) to MIN, and Okafor and the Washington 2014 pick to Boston

MIN sends: Love to PHO

Boston sends: Green to Phoenix and Bogans to MIN

I'm not wild about that return for Green, but it's potentially decent. Maybe if Goodwin comes to Boston instead of MIN? Not sure how optimistic I am about him, no read on him at all really.

Just fun to spitball who would have a better offer, Chicago or Phoenix (or Boston if they want to get in the Love sweepstakes).

[Pogue Mahone]

Sign me up... What do you think is Biyombo's ceiling? Larry Sanders or Theo Ratliff type??

With a real PG? DeAndre Jordan.

Sure, it may not be super sexy but long-term it is a clear upgrade on two role players, imo.

[ddb]

I was fiddling away on my lunch break and was coming to post some trade ideas that have been stuck in my head lately. One, in particular, was Charlotte. You guys already beat me to the punch.

Trade

Boston
Trades Jeff Green, Brandon Bass and MarShon Brooks

Charlotte
Trades Ben Gordon and Bismack Biyombo

Why:

BOS: Shed long-term salary. Save ~$12M in 2014 and as much as $9.5M in 2015. Get a young center prospect that would help our frontcourt situation. Celtics retain all picks.

CHA: Gordon (~15 MPG) and Biyombo (~17 MPG) are not big losses in the immediate future for a playoff push. Bass and Green significantly upgrade the LOLCats rotation and Charlotte pays for the right to do that. Brooks is a throw-in to make the money work/avoid the inclusion of a pick.

Sign me up... What do you think is Biyombo's ceiling? Larry Sanders or Theo Ratliff type??

Danny isn't even sniffing that trade. Biyombo, first of all, is bad. 2nd of all, cap space is nice and all but you're still stuck with Gerald Wallace. Danny could find a much better trade. IF you send Boston MKG/Gordon/Biyombo then you have yourself a deal.

[CelticFaninLBC]

I was fiddling away on my lunch break and was coming to post some trade ideas that have been stuck in my head lately. One, in particular, was Charlotte. You guys already beat me to the punch.

Trade

Boston
Trades Jeff Green, Brandon Bass and MarShon Brooks

Charlotte
Trades Ben Gordon and Bismack Biyombo

Why:

BOS: Shed long-term salary. Save ~$12M in 2014 and as much as $9.5M in 2015. Get a young center prospect that would help our frontcourt situation. Celtics retain all picks.

CHA: Gordon (~15 MPG) and Biyombo (~17 MPG) are not big losses in the immediate future for a playoff push. Bass and Green significantly upgrade the LOLCats rotation and Charlotte pays for the right to do that. Brooks is a throw-in to make the money work/avoid the inclusion of a pick.

Sign me up... What do you think is Biyombo's ceiling? Larry Sanders or Theo Ratliff type??

Danny isn't even sniffing that trade. Biyombo, first of all, is bad. 2nd of all, cap space is nice and all but you're still stuck with Gerald Wallace. Danny could find a much better trade. IF you send Boston MKG/Gordon/Biyombo then you have yourself a deal.

I can't imagine Charlotte giving up 2 recent lottery picks so they can grab the 6 seed...

[CelticFaninLBC]

Sign me up... What do you think is Biyombo's ceiling? Larry Sanders or Theo Ratliff type??

With a real PG? DeAndre Jordan.

Sure, it may not be super sexy but long-term it is a clear upgrade on two role players, imo.

Agree. Doubtful Green & Bass are around when Boston makes their next title run, whereas Biyombo's only 21.

[24istheLAW]

I was fiddling away on my lunch break and was coming to post some trade ideas that have been stuck in my head lately. One, in particular, was Charlotte. You guys already beat me to the punch.

Trade

Boston
Trades Jeff Green, Brandon Bass and MarShon Brooks

Charlotte
Trades Ben Gordon and Bismack Biyombo

Why:

BOS: Shed long-term salary. Save ~$12M in 2014 and as much as $9.5M in 2015. Get a young center prospect that would help our frontcourt situation. Celtics retain all picks.

CHA: Gordon (~15 MPG) and Biyombo (~17 MPG) are not big losses in the immediate future for a playoff push. Bass and Green significantly upgrade the LOLCats rotation and Charlotte pays for the right to do that. Brooks is a throw-in to make the money work/avoid the inclusion of a pick.

I'd be down for this. In theory I'd prefer to use Green and Bass to each chip off a young player/pick and a contract, rather than just dump their salaries. But in practice that might not be possible, and if so, such a trade would be next best thing.

This would be our rotation after the trade:
C - Biyombo, Faverani
F - Sullinger, Olynyk, Humphries
F - Wallace, Bogans
G - Bradley, Crawford, Gordon
G - Rondo, Bayless, Pressey

The problem with this trade for me is that it leaves us with 26 million on the books, before the QOs on Bradley and Crawford. So if you're going to spend that money, what do you spend it on? Free agents generally aren't the best investments long term...

And if Biyombo's only 21, then I qualify for the kid's menu.

[Pogue Mahone]

The problem with this trade for me is that it leaves us with 26 million on the books, before the QOs on Bradley and Crawford. So if you're going to spend that money, what do you spend it on? Free agents generally aren't the best investments long term...

Farm out our available space for young players/picks, at least in the interim.

I am not a free agency guy so that is what I would do.

[edit]

I wrote that kind of backwards.

I meant that we take on salary in exchange for picks/young players. We would still need to fill out the roster for next season. I would play the "failed picks", former prospects and other young/mid-career guys who never fully got a shot in free agency. Sign them to team friendly deals, attempt to build their value and/or develop them as best as possible. If they are even role player quality, it would be a good hedge from Ainge makes is next big strike. If they fail, you have what amounts to non-guaranteed deals going into summer of 2015 that could bring back something in exchange for instant cap space (via their non-guaranteed contracts.)

[j_angel]

I wonder if Ainge has any interest in OJ Mayo? He is only 26 and Ainge has shown interest before. His contract is 3 years $24m.

Could probably be had for very little as well.

[24istheLAW]

Yeah, I'd rather have a year of "bad contract" and an asset than a year of two moderately priced veterans with no growth potential. Trick is to have the you young guy who can accrue value.

Somewhat germane to the thread, here's an ad for Bismack Biyombo's basketball camp.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSq9oCmZ-XI[/youtube]

Where he teaches you.... good question.

[ddb]

I'm just glad you guys aren't running the Celtics. Really??? We're dealing Jeff Green and Brandon Bass for Gordon and Biyombo? Bismack is what we call A DRAFT BUST!!!! He stinks. He's 6'9, horrible hands and no offensive game whatsoever. He blocks shots but also fouls at a high rate. He would be a waste of a roster spot and NOT the Center project we need in Boston.

Gordon expiring is great but we're giving up WAY too much for that return. You get Zeller or MKG and then we'll talk. Period.

Why do we act like Jeff Green is terrible? Just because he's not averaging 20ppg like some of us thought doesn't mean he has negative trade value. Teams like him. Teams like Bass too. You do not just trade these guys for nothing. That deal with the Bobcats is something only Billy King would do. Ainge isn't an idiot.

Now if you change it up a bit then let's talk.

Green/Wallace for Gordon/Bismack is better simply because that Wallace contract is poison.

Maybe Bass/Green for Gordon/MKG/Bismack

and guess what. if Bobcats aren't willing to do a trade like that then you don't deal with them. Keep Green and Bass and wait. They are good players. Not the reason why the Celtics stink.

Would I deal them? for sure I would. But it has to be the right deal. nobody on the Celtics is untouchable. Even Rondo

[Slartibartfast]

I agree on Bradley, I'm not trading him for a guy that might turn into Bradley. A few thoughts on the list, at least two of the three (Phoenix, Charlotte) could use help at the three, but I'm not sure the return is in place there to give up from either of those clubs to make it worth it for both sides.

I couldn't help combining rumors and think that Phoenix might want Jeff green if they can somehow land Kevin Love. Love publicly cranking about teammates makes me think MIN would be smart to pit Phoenix and Chicago against each other and move him now, when they can get the best possible return.

If so, moving more to upgrade from PJ Tucker to Green would be a big deal for them, I think, as they'd need to look competitive to get Love's ink on the paper. Getting Green would also enable Phoenix to move the Morris' as a package along with Len and picks. But that's a ridiculous amount of speculation and still not sure that Phoenix has enough ammo to make both deals worth it for all parties.

Also, not sure why Detroit isn't on this list. It seems to me like they almost have to do something in the next 5-6 weeks.

I think Phoenix' problem in the Love sweepstakes is that they have a rebuilding package (picks and unproven prospects) whereas Minny would want more established talent in return.

Possibly, but MIN does owe it's pick this year top 13 protected to Phoenix. If they go all out for the playoffs and miss, that would have bad consequences. What a bonehead move by Kahn to give that up in a salary dump.

Just for ****'s and giggles:

Phoenix sends: Len, the Morrises, A. Goodwin and say Minnesota's own pick back, next year's Laker's pick, and this year's Indiana pick (or a future Phoenix pick) to MIN, and Okafor and the Washington 2014 pick to Boston

MIN sends: Love to PHO

Boston sends: Green to Phoenix and Bogans to MIN

I'm not wild about that return for Green, but it's potentially decent. Maybe if Goodwin comes to Boston instead of MIN? Not sure how optimistic I am about him, no read on him at all really.

Just fun to spitball who would have a better offer, Chicago or Phoenix (or Boston if they want to get in the Love sweepstakes).

I don’t see how a lotto-protected first factors in much. Missing out on the 14th pick would suck, but I’d be surprised if it plays a major factor in their decision making. The Wolves’ problem is they haven’t made the playoffs in 10 years and they’ve invested in a ton of long-term contracts for established players. They aren’t set up to tank, nor would they want to.

I’m convinced their motivation to trade Love would be to get proven players (as well as picks) for him to avoid slouching back into the wilderness. Similar to what the Nuggets did with Carmelo.

So I can’t see Phoenix in the running unless Love pulls a Melo and targets them as a destination (why would he?).

I think Deng would have been Chicago’s best center-piece for a Love package: Deng, Mirotic, future picks. But that ship has sailed. Giving up Noah would get Minny interested but I can’t see Chicago doing that without a replacement center lined-up.

The Celtics’ chances at Love depend on a guy like Sully busting out and showing star potential. Then you pair him with a guy like Green and future picks and you have a shot.

The deal I’d be looking to make if I were Minny would be Love/Dieng for Ibaka/Lamb. Ibaka’s the ideal mate for Pekovic in the frontcourt (and he’s signed long-term) and Lamb gives you a shooter to open up the offense for Rubio with a Martin/Budinger/Lamb wing rotation. OKC gets back the big 3 it lost with the Harden trade and gets some vital firepower insurance for the playoffs if Westbrook goes down again.

[165bows]

I don’t see how a lotto-protected first factors in much. Missing out on the 14th pick would suck, but I’d be surprised if it plays a major factor in their decision making. The Wolves’ problem is they haven’t made the playoffs in 10 years and they’ve invested in a ton of long-term contracts for established players. They aren’t set up to tank, nor would they want to.

I’m convinced their motivation to trade Love would be to get proven players (as well as picks) for him to avoid slouching back into the wilderness. Similar to what the Nuggets did with Carmelo.

So I can’t see Phoenix in the running unless Love pulls a Melo and targets them as a destination (why would he?).

I think Deng would have been Chicago’s best center-piece for a Love package: Deng, Mirotic, future picks. But that ship has sailed. Giving up Noah would get Minny interested but I can’t see Chicago doing that without a replacement center lined-up.

The Celtics’ chances at Love depend on a guy like Sully busting out and showing star potential. Then you pair him with a guy like Green and future picks and you have a shot.

The deal I’d be looking to make if I were Minny would be Love/Dieng for Ibaka/Lamb. Ibaka’s the ideal mate for Pekovic in the frontcourt (and he’s signed long-term) and Lamb gives you a shooter to open up the offense for Rubio with a Martin/Budinger/Lamb wing rotation. OKC gets back the big 3 it lost with the Harden trade and gets some vital firepower insurance for the playoffs if Westbrook goes down again.

You may be right there. My assumption was that the intent may have reset a bit with new FO management, and their plan was mainly go-for-it-now in order to resign love. If Love moves, I don't know if that plan changes or not. Man, it's brutal for them if Rubio doesn't come around.

[ddb]

Celts could make a push for Love if Ainge really wanted to. Something like this would work.

Sullinger, Green, Hump, Bogans, Brooks + 3 1sts

for

Love, Martin, Brewer


Follow that up with a Bass/Crawford/2015 clips for Asik/Smith

Rondo/Bradley/Martin/Love/Asik
Bayless/Brewer/Wallace/KO/Smith/Faverani

[Avalanche]

Celts could make a push for Love if Ainge really wanted to. Something like this would work.

Sullinger, Green, Hump, Bogans, Brooks + 3 1sts

for

Love, Martin, Brewer


Follow that up with a Bass/Crawford/2015 clips for Asik/Smith

Rondo/Bradley/Martin/Love/Asik
Bayless/Brewer/Wallace/KO/Smith/Faverani

I do feel like among this Love talk the Celts are being overlooked..

Sure he's an LA guy, but still.. he has basketball in his blood, the Celtics are one of the most storied franchises in sports and that, plus the ability to play with Rondo etc may change his mind on signing an extension

We have Hump's expiring and any combination of picks, young players... I feel like if he does hit the trade block we would have as competitive an offer as any other team

[freddiebutch]

Zach Lowe raised an interesting possibility in his latest column, about the Suns options to find a backup point guard to replace Eric Bledsoe, until he comes back. Among many names mentioned, Andre Miller, Lowry, Maynor...Jordan Crawford came up. He is playing well this year, decent playmaker and on an expiring contract.

I wonder if Phoenix would trade one of their 1sts this year for Crawford. Either their own, pacers or wizards pick, all of which they own in this draft.