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Re: Summer League 2025, Multi-Game Thread – (Next: Thurs, July 17, 9:00PM) 

Post#1421 » by cloverleaf » Tue Jul 15, 2025 1:39 pm

SuperDeluxe wrote:Not impressed by anything I saw today.

Gonzalez had a pretty bad game. I think I'll forget about Shulga's existence in a matter of days. Scheierman had an OK all-around game but his shooting is still erratic. Walsh was completely out of character, I wonder what the heck was going on with him. Charles "Shirley" Bassey had his worst game of the SL so far (but almost posted a double-double).

To my surprise, the offense seemed to flow better when Lofton was on the court.


The C's were -15 while Lofton was out there last night. Only Hugo was worse.
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Post#1422 » by playa-hater » Tue Jul 15, 2025 3:19 pm

I feel some on here would rather jump through a flaming hoop with a Motorcycle, Evel Knievel style, than admit Brad "may not" be good at drafting. Or at the least, he missed. Maybe more than once.
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Post#1423 » by Celts17Pride » Tue Jul 15, 2025 3:24 pm

playa-hater wrote:I feel some on here would rather jump through a flaming hoop with a Motorcycle, Evel Knievel style, than admit Brad "may not" be good at drafting. Or at the least, he missed. Maybe more than once.

Draft picks like Walsh and Gonzalez are designed to show impact 3-5 years after they are drafted. Celtics know this when they draft them. The trick is to still be patient through the process. So far the Celtics have done that.
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Post#1424 » by redslastlaugh » Tue Jul 15, 2025 3:29 pm

The point is many productive NBA players were taken in the 30's, 40s, and 50s in the draft.
It's true that most selections in that range do not pan out

People look at the last five drafts and our picks, none were higher than 28, so people argue "what do you expect, we've only had 8 chances to pick and our picks were none higher than 28 (28-57)."

But it just seems to me that the higher functioning teams land good players in that draft range all the time. If you don't want to count Brunson, Hart, McBride, Robinson as a good example, you can look at Memphis with Desmond Bane (#30), Santi Aldama (#30), Vince Williams (#47), GG Jackson (#45), Jaylen Wells (39), Cam Spencer (53)

The idea that most players taken after pick #25 dont pan out, that idea can be true, I agree its true. And simultaenously the idea that good drafting teams frequently get good players out of those areas of the draft is ALSO TRUE



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Hal14 wrote:You don't really think that the Knicks drafted Josh Hart and Jalen Brunson, do you?

They were both drafted by other teams..developed by other teams and then the Knicks traded for them. Like we did with KP, Jrue, Al and D-white.

Well the knicks drafted MitchRob and basically also McBride was a draft deal guy

Yeah those were a couple of good picks but we drafted Time Lord a few spots ahead of Robinson. I'd say both teams won there, given how late those picks were. Knicks took McBride at 36..that same draft we snagged Hauser so we got the better value, getting Hauser as an UDFA.

The year before that (2020), Knicks drafted Obi Toppin at 8 (poor value) and Leandro Balmaro at pick 23 (bust) while we got Nesmith at 14 (later flipped him for Brogdon, flipped him for Jrue) and Pritchard at 26..so we clearly had the better draft there.

Plus we drafted Tatum and Brown, both with the 3rd pick. The Knicks drafted RJ Barrett with the 3rd pick. We also drafted Smart. And Grant and Rozier..while the knicks drafted Frank Ntilikina..
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Post#1425 » by playa-hater » Tue Jul 15, 2025 3:30 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
playa-hater wrote:I feel some on here would rather jump through a flaming hoop with a Motorcycle, Evel Knievel style, than admit Brad "may not" be good at drafting. Or at the least, he missed. Maybe more than once.

Draft picks like Walsh and Gonzalez are designed to show impact 3-5 years after they are drafted. Celtics know this when they draft them. The trick is to still be patient through the process. So far the Celtics have done that.


Walsh may not even make this year's team.
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Post#1426 » by brackdan70 » Tue Jul 15, 2025 3:35 pm

playa-hater wrote:I feel some on here would rather jump through a flaming hoop with a Motorcycle, Evel Knievel style, than admit Brad "may not" be good at drafting. Or at the least, he missed. Maybe more than once.

Tangential, but I once jumped through a flaming hoop on skis while wearing a moose costume…
As far as Brads drafting, jury is still out. There have been three picks between 28-40, Walsh, Scheierman and Hugo.
In realtime there were guys I liked better than Scheierman, but he has already outplayed his draft position. Walsh has as well…though barely.
Hugo seems like a very high potential guy so I have hope there.
I didn’t like how we handled pick 32 this year. Will be interesting to see how some of those guys we could have had shape out. There were 3-4 guys Id have loved.
Jordan Walsh > Lonnie Walker and Charles Bassey
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Re: Summer League 2025, Multi-Game Thread – (Next: Thurs, July 17, 9:00PM) 

Post#1427 » by darrendaye » Tue Jul 15, 2025 3:40 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
playa-hater wrote:I feel some on here would rather jump through a flaming hoop with a Motorcycle, Evel Knievel style, than admit Brad "may not" be good at drafting. Or at the least, he missed. Maybe more than once.

Draft picks like Walsh and Gonzalez are designed to show impact 3-5 years after they are drafted. Celtics know this when they draft them. The trick is to still be patient through the process. So far the Celtics have done that.


This should be an ideal year to judge progress on Scheierman and Walsh. Gonzalez should really not get a ton of PT with the big-club though.
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Post#1428 » by redslastlaugh » Tue Jul 15, 2025 3:51 pm

darrendaye wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:
playa-hater wrote:I feel some on here would rather jump through a flaming hoop with a Motorcycle, Evel Knievel style, than admit Brad "may not" be good at drafting. Or at the least, he missed. Maybe more than once.

Draft picks like Walsh and Gonzalez are designed to show impact 3-5 years after they are drafted. Celtics know this when they draft them. The trick is to still be patient through the process. So far the Celtics have done that.


This should be an ideal year to judge progress on Scheierman and Walsh. Gonzalez should really not get a ton of PT with the big-club though.

I think Scheierman has showed a nice feel, good size/strength. He shoots a lot of 3's though and he shoots some tough, deep pull up 3's and to be a good player in the league, he probably needs to take better shots and make more of them.

This is a big year for Baylor, I agree. If he can shoot just league average (35-36%) on his 3PTA, we could be in business. But this is his age 25 yr old season, if he's under 33% again, it's harder to see the path to a high level professional. Obviously, everyone has already said this, but Baylor is really old for a second year player, this year is his chance to play well.
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Post#1429 » by Parliament10 » Tue Jul 15, 2025 3:52 pm

redslastlaugh wrote:The point is many productive NBA players were taken in the 30's, 40s, and 50s in the draft.
It's true that most selections in that range do not pan out

People look at the last five drafts and our picks, none were higher than 28, so people argue "what do you expect, we've only had 8 chances to pick and our picks were none higher than 28 (28-57)."

But it just seems to me that the higher functioning teams land good players in that draft range all the time. If you don't want to count Brunson, Hart, McBride, Robinson as a good example, you can look at Memphis with Desmond Bane (#30), Santi Aldama (#30), Vince Williams (#47), GG Jackson (#45), Jaylen Wells (39), Cam Spencer (53)

The idea that most players taken after pick #25 dont pan out, that idea can be true, I agree its true. And simultaenously the idea that good drafting teams frequently get good players out of those areas of the draft is ALSO TRUE



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165bows wrote:Well the knicks drafted MitchRob and basically also McBride was a draft deal guy

Yeah those were a couple of good picks but we drafted Time Lord a few spots ahead of Robinson. I'd say both teams won there, given how late those picks were. Knicks took McBride at 36..that same draft we snagged Hauser so we got the better value, getting Hauser as an UDFA.

The year before that (2020), Knicks drafted Obi Toppin at 8 (poor value) and Leandro Balmaro at pick 23 (bust) while we got Nesmith at 14 (later flipped him for Brogdon, flipped him for Jrue) and Pritchard at 26..so we clearly had the better draft there.

Plus we drafted Tatum and Brown, both with the 3rd pick. The Knicks drafted RJ Barrett with the 3rd pick. We also drafted Smart. And Grant and Rozier..while the knicks drafted Frank Ntilikina..

Totally Agree.
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Post#1430 » by playa-hater » Tue Jul 15, 2025 4:01 pm

redslastlaugh wrote:
darrendaye wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:Draft picks like Walsh and Gonzalez are designed to show impact 3-5 years after they are drafted. Celtics know this when they draft them. The trick is to still be patient through the process. So far the Celtics have done that.


This should be an ideal year to judge progress on Scheierman and Walsh. Gonzalez should really not get a ton of PT with the big-club though.

I think Scheierman has showed a nice feel, good size/strength. He shoots a lot of 3's though and he shoots some tough, deep pull up 3's and to be a good player in the league, he probably needs to take better shots and make more of them.

This is a big year for Baylor, I agree. If he can shoot just league average (35-36%) on his 3PTA, we could be in business. But this is his age 25 yr old season, if he's under 33% again, it's harder to see the path to a high level professional. Obviously, everyone has already said this, but Baylor is really old for a second year player, this year is his chance to play well.


Baylor seems like he will turn out o k, but the point is, there was a better player there that we were desperate in need of. FILIPKOWSKI. Jordan Walsh may Turn out to be an n b a player, but Brad traded down multiple times to get him, which I believe was a mistake. As far as Gonzalez, obviously it is way too early. But brad trading out of 32 is already looking like a bad decision. Because the 2 players he got show no real. N b a promise at this point.Bradcalso had a chance to get Austin Reaves and did not.
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Post#1431 » by phincsfan » Tue Jul 15, 2025 4:09 pm

165bows wrote:
Hal14 wrote:
redslastlaugh wrote:Sure this is a true statement. If you look at the numbers, most guys picked that low won't become anything. But the numbers should kick in eventually.

And also, frankly, we just got our asses kicked by the Knicks: Josh Hart (picked #30), Jalen Brunson (33), Mitchell Robinson (36), Miles McBride (36)

So maybe statistically nobody should be getting yield out of picks in the 30s, but it sometimes seems like the team we're playin is

... lol, maybe i'm just grumpy

You don't really think that the Knicks drafted Josh Hart and Jalen Brunson, do you?

They were both drafted by other teams..developed by other teams and then the Knicks traded for them. Like we did with KP, Jrue, Al and D-white.

Everyone in the knicks starting lineup are guys they traded for, after those players were drafted and developed by other teams.

Here's how many of each team's starters they drafted: Knicks 0, Celtics 2 (Tatum and Brown).

Well the knicks drafted MitchRob and basically also McBride was a draft deal guy


Both early 2nd rounders and the Knicks played them a fair amount especially Robinson. Three straight years of 60+ games for McBride. Trial by fire and he's done pretty good.

Rico will be fine if he's given consistent minutes. He doesn't really hurt you out there. He started slow in Maine and picked it up as the year went on.

Just throw Oooogo' out there and see what he got. He has a clue, he just needs to adapt to the speed of the NBA game. Physicality wise I think he'll be fine.

I'm gonna call Ooooogo' - Toro.

Rico and Toro'.
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Post#1432 » by redslastlaugh » Tue Jul 15, 2025 4:29 pm

Dang, so funny
ESPN anchors just can not keep a straight face looking at the Johnny Furphy poster dunk on Noa Essengue
ESPN didn't put the highlight on their youtube, but reddit/nba has the clip... thats hilariouus

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1m08tzm/johnny_furphys_poster_on_noa_essengue_had_the/
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Post#1433 » by Dogen » Tue Jul 15, 2025 4:43 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
playa-hater wrote:I feel some on here would rather jump through a flaming hoop with a Motorcycle, Evel Knievel style, than admit Brad "may not" be good at drafting. Or at the least, he missed. Maybe more than once.

Draft picks like Walsh and Gonzalez are designed to show impact 3-5 years after they are drafted. Celtics know this when they draft them. The trick is to still be patient through the process. So far the Celtics have done that.


I'm guilty of playing the "shoulda picked my guy game". Heck, we'd have Giannis, Maxey and kept Bane, for starters. But of course it's never that simple.

I'm happy over overall with Walsh, Scheierman and Gonzalez even it they were not my first pick. The last time I got exactly what I wanted was probably Rob Williams, and some of the legacy stuff was from Ainge.

For Stevens, even though he knew the 2nd apron was unsustainable. He could not have predicted Tatum being out for a year and a domino effect that would lead to the departure of the team's top 3 centers. Otherwise, Filipowski would have been the obvious pick last year over Scheierman.

Walsh was a punt at 38, and he came at a good price while Brad traded back to gain more picks. He's just now starting to round into his adult form and I'm looking forward to him getting some minutes this year, warts and all. This may be his year to sink or swim.

Gonzalez was not really on my radar. Again, we didn't quite know that Kornet and Horford would be leaving, but the writing was on the wall, as it were, and it seemed that a big would be in the cards. I guess Brad didn't think that any of our list of suspects was going to contribute in the short term, or maybe those guys didn't want to end up on a two-way. In any case, it's water under the bridge at this point. Apparently the team is not even in the position to pick up Bassey.

So it's a down year, and we have some players at redundant positions and are missing quality at a position of need. I'm not ready to give up on the young guys, this is a development year.
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Post#1434 » by Froob » Tue Jul 15, 2025 5:10 pm

Hugo is a work in progress, but I love a kid getting 7 fouls in a Summer League game. Can't do that without playing hard.
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Post#1435 » by cloverleaf » Tue Jul 15, 2025 5:23 pm

playa-hater wrote:I feel some on here would rather jump through a flaming hoop with a Motorcycle, Evel Knievel style, than admit Brad "may not" be good at drafting. Or at the least, he missed. Maybe more than once.


Yeah, early for his 2 1st rounders and Rico's looking decent, but in general both his picks and his trading down for more picks seem to be marginal. Fortunately much better at trades and finding cheap FAs to mold.
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Post#1436 » by cloverleaf » Tue Jul 15, 2025 5:26 pm

Froob wrote:Hugo is a work in progress, but I love a kid getting 7 fouls in a Summer League game. Can't do that without playing hard.


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Post#1437 » by Half-Full » Tue Jul 15, 2025 7:13 pm

return2glory wrote:
Red2 wrote:Shulga was a non factor


Yup, he only had 8 assists. I was expecting 20 from him. 6-6 from the line. He should have gotten to the line at least 15 times.
I didn't like he was playing defense out there either.


I confess that I don't get the Shulga criticism. He is a combo guard that is being asked to play as a PG. He handles the ball well, does not turn it over, and moves it. Yes, he came with a reputation as a scorer, and he has not been putting up a lot of points, but that is a factor of what he is being asked to do. He may not be a lock down defender, but he is no pushover either. All in all, I think he has shown pretty well.
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Post#1438 » by djFan71 » Tue Jul 15, 2025 7:38 pm

I've only been able to catch ~1.5 games so far, but it seems like overall nobody is killing it or making you drool over the potential. But there's some solid progress.

Baylor - playmaking is very solid, esp for a secondary playmaker on the real team. Shooting numbers need to come up at some point - hopefully will when he's 4th or 5th on the scouting report for who's on the floor. D effort seems good, he seems to love the poke-from-behind to some degree of excess. Had some pretty poor overhelp rotations off his guy that led to wide open 3s.

Walsh - I loved him in the draft for the D potential, but it isn't as strong a strong suit as I'd hoped. He's solid, but hasn't put it all together yet to be an insane defender. The fouls are both, whatever it's SL, but concerning in that you need to be able to defend without doing it. Offense has been solid. I don't think it'll ever be pretty, but it's at least been effective.

Hugo - Dude looks gassed which is understandable. Love how hard he plays, seems to know the game pretty well, while at the same being a little lost right now due to a new system. Will look completely different (better) come January.

Bridges - I like him. Had some really nice defensive plays and can shoot. I wanted him with a second last year, haven't seen much to change my mind. Would like him at least on a 2-way. Offensively, he's just a spacer. Wouldn't count on anything else.

Bassey - I get the love, and if we end up with him, fine. If not, that's fine too.

Amari - looks like a project. Which is fine. I'm glad we took a swing on a big even if it was later in the draft that I'd dreamt of.

Shulga - seems solid, but isn't going to be someone you rely on to create for a while / ever. Probably his swing skill. If he can evolve from a combo guard to a true playmaker, he'll be useful. Worth a year or 2 in Maine to see what happens.

Norris - dude can score. I haven't really noticed anything one way or the other on D, tbh.
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Post#1439 » by Gant » Tue Jul 15, 2025 7:42 pm

cloverleaf wrote:
SuperDeluxe wrote:Not impressed by anything I saw today.

Gonzalez had a pretty bad game. I think I'll forget about Shulga's existence in a matter of days. Scheierman had an OK all-around game but his shooting is still erratic. Walsh was completely out of character, I wonder what the heck was going on with him. Charles "Shirley" Bassey had his worst game of the SL so far (but almost posted a double-double).

To my surprise, the offense seemed to flow better when Lofton was on the court.


The C's were -15 while Lofton was out there last night. Only Hugo was worse.


+13 for Lofton vs Miami. +14 vs NY. +13 vs Memphis. Somebody spoke to him and told him to make an adjustment, and he did. There's a player in there. His path to improvement is physical.
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Post#1440 » by celticgreenie » Tue Jul 15, 2025 7:52 pm

Gant wrote:
cloverleaf wrote:
SuperDeluxe wrote:Not impressed by anything I saw today.

Gonzalez had a pretty bad game. I think I'll forget about Shulga's existence in a matter of days. Scheierman had an OK all-around game but his shooting is still erratic. Walsh was completely out of character, I wonder what the heck was going on with him. Charles "Shirley" Bassey had his worst game of the SL so far (but almost posted a double-double).

To my surprise, the offense seemed to flow better when Lofton was on the court.


The C's were -15 while Lofton was out there last night. Only Hugo was worse.


+13 for Lofton vs Miami. +14 vs NY. +13 vs Memphis. Somebody spoke to him and told him to make an adjustment, and he did. There's a player in there. His path to improvement is physical.


And as far as Celtics big men go, his scoring touch might be similar to Garza.

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