Draftees 2016 – Brown, Yabusele, Žižić, Jackson, Nader

[3D Chess]

EDIT: Was looking at the wrong boxscore... my bad!

[SMTBSI]

Not looking like it. Bad guys up 7 with 1:47 to play.

Zizic makes it 5. 18 on 7/8.


Llull makes it 7. Wanamaker misses a 3ptr, but looks like Zizic got fouled on the rebound. Hits both. Back to 5. 1:08 to play.

[SMTBSI]

Llull makes it 7 again. Timeout Istanbul, 0:49 to play.

[SMTBSI]

Missed 3 ptr for WIlbekin, this one's over.


Well, it's a David vs Goliath matchup. Nobody said it would be easy. Hopefully Istanbul at least comes out of this feeling like it's still anyone's series.

[pepe1991]

Good game. Žižic was great. Ljulj is clutch MoFo

[SMTBSI]

Good game. Žižic was great. Ljulj is clutch MoFo

As someone who is only boxscore watching, I have to say that these super high efficiency 7-for-8 type games from Zizic lead me to believe that they're not using him as a serious scoring option, and that he's having to find most of his points on clean-up type stuff. Is that at all true?

[pepe1991]

Good game. Žižic was great. Ljulj is clutch MoFo

As someone who is only boxscore watching, I have to say that these super high efficiency 7-for-8 type games from Zizic lead me to believe that they're not using him as a serious scoring option, and that he's having to find most of his points on clean-up type stuff. Is that at all true?

They use 4 shooters and him. Sometimes they even use 5 shooters on the floor at once. Most of time he scores from rolling in pick&roll . He had few post ups, draw a foul in two of them i belive ,scored in one in first half. Only stupid thing he did was when he tried to split two defenders ( both guards) and attack the rim . That's were his TO comes from.
Had one great give-and go type pass for cutting guard.

[Gant]

Good game. Žižic was great. Ljulj is clutch MoFo

As someone who is only boxscore watching, I have to say that these super high efficiency 7-for-8 type games from Zizic lead me to believe that they're not using him as a serious scoring option, and that he's having to find most of his points on clean-up type stuff. Is that at all true?

He was open several times with great post position or when rolling, but they don't look for him in their perimeter offense. He could have scored a lot more if they just got him the ball when it made sense.

[ConstableGeneva]

Good game. Žižic was great. Ljulj is clutch MoFo

As someone who is only boxscore watching, I have to say that these super high efficiency 7-for-8 type games from Zizic lead me to believe that they're not using him as a serious scoring option, and that he's having to find most of his points on clean-up type stuff. Is that at all true?

Based on the 3 full Euroleague games I've seen, that is true. His team's offense is very guard-centric. They run PnR but he rarely gets the ball on the roll. It's mostly to free up the ballhandlers or to kick out to shooters. Whenever he seals his man inside, they don't/can't get him the ball. He's gotten his points via putbacks, rimruns, FTs, and a few postups. Again, based on the very limited times I've seen his team play. His ability to finish around the rim will translate. Guy is just so long and has awesome touch. He can hit the midrange too when left open, but not much farther than that. No threes for you, Z! He's better off fighting for those OREBs.

[ConstableGeneva]

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[ConstableGeneva]

Guerschon Yabusele among 37 players who committed to French BBall team until 2020 -- http://www.fiba.com/eurobasket/2017/news/37-players-commit-to-team-france-basket-until-2020-olympics

Will be a great experience for the young Dancing Bear.

[NormanDale]

Why do you guys like Yabs more than Zizic? From what I see in the clips above, if Zizic were in the draft this year i think he'd be a top-5 pick, with the Chad Ford's of the world writing hot takes that Zizic should go above Fultz.

I think if Yabs were in this draft, based on what ive seen of him, he'd be a late lottery or mid first round pick. Nothing he's done had been as impressive as what we're seeing from Zizic.

I'm happy to have Yabs, but Zizic's current EL performance projects to a future all star, does it not? Not saying he'll for sure get there, but it seems like as good a bet as him being a "workmanlike big". This is not Darko scoring 2 ppg but looking great against the chair.

Asking this question again since no one really addressed it, and I'm genuinely curious. Am I vastly overrating Zizic? I haven't watched a lot of Euroleague, but his stats are better than those of Porzingis, Bender, and basically every other Euroleague teenager who has entered the draft. Of the people that I could find, only Jokic had better stats, and he played in a far worse league.

Is it wrong to think of him as roughly equivalent value to a draft pick in the 3-7 range?

Or, perhaps you guys think I'm underrating the Bear? I have his value as roughly equivalent to a 14-20 draft pick. I would estimate Nader's value as equivalent to a pick somewhere in the 25-30 range.

[3D Chess]

I think the general consensus is that Zizic is a better prospect than Yabs, despite his video game numbers in China.

Yabs looks like a pretty rare breed at the moment playing against inferior competition, so I can see why people are excited.

I think your pick values are about right, though this is said to be a strong (perhaps not that deep?) draft, so who really knows.

[sam_I_am]

Yabs was really projected as end of first round or second round pick. I still think Danny picked him ahead of Zizac because he knew Zizac would come over if picked higher. I think that is also why Zubac fell to second round even though he too was rated above Yabs.

Remember, we were gunning for Durant and Horford and those extra 2 first round picks would have threatened cap room.

I think Zizac's value has soared. ( Zubac as well BTW.). I have to think he would be rated above Zachary Collins in this draft and would be first big selected at 9, maybe 10 if team wanted a 3 pt shooter like Markennen first.

[claycarver]

Asking this question again since no one really addressed it, and I'm genuinely curious. Am I vastly overrating Zizic? I haven't watched a lot of Euroleague, but his stats are better than those of Porzingis, Bender, and basically every other Euroleague teenager who has entered the draft. Of the people that I could find, only Jokic had better stats, and he played in a far worse league.

Is it wrong to think of him as roughly equivalent value to a draft pick in the 3-7 range?

Or, perhaps you guys think I'm underrating the Bear? I have his value as roughly equivalent to a 14-20 draft pick. I would estimate Nader's value as equivalent to a pick somewhere in the 25-30 range.

As a fellow ignorant evaluator, I think your evaluation of all three is dead on.

[Banks2Pierce]

Is it wrong to think of him as roughly equivalent value to a draft pick in the 3-7 range?

I think so. Looks like a high floor, low ceiling type of player. More 8-14 range of this draft if I had to call it. Last year it looks like he should have gone higher.

[Gant]

The reason Zizic is coveted is because he's a sure thing, or as close as you get outside of an absolutely top prospect. He's playing at a high level in a high level league, which allows much better assessment of him than the NCAA or more so the lesser international leagues.

Yabusele is fun and has a cool skill package, but he's unproven and is far from a sure thing.

[NormanDale]

Is it wrong to think of him as roughly equivalent value to a draft pick in the 3-7 range?

I think so. Looks like a high floor, low ceiling type of player. More 8-14 range of this draft if I had to call it. Last year it looks like he should have gone higher.

Why a low ceiling?

[sam_I_am]

Is it wrong to think of him as roughly equivalent value to a draft pick in the 3-7 range?

I think so. Looks like a high floor, low ceiling type of player. More 8-14 range of this draft if I had to call it. Last year it looks like he should have gone higher.

Why a low ceiling?

I agree. I think his athleticism is a potential limiting factor. I wonder what happens to his athleticism when he gets NBA training program and all the body altering science that goes with it. He could explode. I just can't wait to see him play in training camp to see what we drafted.

[Banks2Pierce]

Why a low ceiling?

20 so not the finished product yet, but can't really create offense for himself and not freakish athletically enough to be a DeAndre Jordan type at both ends.