Trade Thread 2017: Not Once, Not twice, But Thrice!

[Edug27]

We all know IF Danny gets Melo he'd work to keep all of IT, Horford and Melo here long term. Add a guard like Fultz or Ball to mix and we look really really good.

I'm not a fan of Melo...and I doubt we get him, but this Crowder > Melo stuff is silly. Melo would be a great add to this team.

The Melo acquisition is very similar to acquiring Ray back in 2007. Ray was a 32 year old 20+ ppg scorer. Melo is a 32 year old 20+ ppg scorer at the moment. Valid concern whether he fits in a ball moving system, but I think he'll be fine. Ball movement is contagious.

Only difference is that the Ray trade wouldn't have made much sense without the KG move following it. Pierce and Ray together would just be another solid team. Not a contending team. KG brought it all together. And I don't know if that player exists right now.

[DarkAzcura]

IT
Bradley
Melo
Crowder
Horford

... question becomes whether that team can compete with

Kyrie
JR
Bron
Love
TT

... if not then why bother.

Because we add a top 3 pick after this year and a likely lotto pick after that. That's enough talent/ trade bait to get that last player to move the needle.

And who is that player? We've been talking about "this player" for 3 years now. Most likely we are going to draft that player and Melo will be long gone by then.

I wanted the Celtics to hold onto cap space and make a run at Hayward or Griffin, but the new CBA + Griffin's injury history have officially soured me a bit on that. I don't think FA is going to be much of a factor anymore unfortunately so if you can pick up a guy like Melo for nothing, I say go for it. I don't think he is as selfish as some believe and think he could fit well.

The Celtics probably aren't going to be a true contender, but I'd love to have a 'pretender' challenging in the ECF for a couple years while talents like Brown and Tatum/Fultz/Ball come into their own. You might actually be able to match up their upswing with IT's downswing which would be ideal. It would potentially be a similar transition as SAS with the shift to Leonard. SAS were pretenders from 2009-2012 pretty much and didn't really become legit contenders again until Kawhi started to really develop. I could buy into this type of rebuild.

[radcot]

On the Melo thing -

The theory would be something like this:

-Nothing on the free agent market looks like it will bear fruit in 2017/18 so using that cap space is more palatable
-Melo could be had without sacrificing premium assets
-Melo move would be followed or paired with adding a rim protector/rebounder of some sort
-Adding Melo is a short term cost burden that, should LBJ get hurt, give Boston a chance to make the Finals in the near-term
-Boston would still add high-end young talent over the next two years
-That young talent would be developed and flipped for another star as Horford/Melo fade over time. OR that young talent would be the core of the next generation of the team.

Nice summation.

[Edug27]

Because we add a top 3 pick after this year and a likely lotto pick after that. That's enough talent/ trade bait to get that last player to move the needle.

And who is that player? We've been talking about "this player" for 3 years now. Most likely we are going to draft that player and Melo will be long gone by then.

I wanted the Celtics to hold onto cap space and make a run at Hayward or Griffin, but the new CBA + Griffin's injury history have officially soured me a bit on that. I don't think FA is going to be much of a factor anymore unfortunately so if you can pick up a guy like Melo for nothing, I say go for it. I don't think he is as selfish as some believe and think he could fit well.

The Celtics probably aren't going to be a true contender, but I'd love to have a 'pretender' challenging in the ECF for a couple years while talents like Brown and Tatum/Fultz/Ball come into their own. You might actually be able to match up their upswing with IT's downswing which would be ideal. It would potentially be a similar transition as what SAS got with the shift to Leonard. SAS were pretenders from 2009-2012 pretty much and didn't really become legit contenders again until Kawhi started to really develop. I could buy into this type of rebuild.

I hear you. But the Celtics ARE currently pretenders challenging for the ECF. Why not have Jaylen playing minutes, rather than have him buried even further on the bench with Melo here...

[165bows]

On the Melo thing -

The theory would be something like this:

-Nothing on the free agent market looks like it will bear fruit in 2017/18 so using that cap space is more palatable
-Melo could be had without sacrificing premium assets
-Melo move would be followed or paired with adding a rim protector/rebounder of some sort
-Adding Melo is a short term cost burden that, should LBJ get hurt, give Boston a chance to make the Finals in the near-term
-Boston would still add high-end young talent over the next two years
-That young talent would be developed and flipped for another star as Horford/Melo fade over time. OR that young talent would be the core of the next generation of the team.

This is solid reasoning IMO.

A Melo trade to me would mean one or both of the following:
They don't like their chances on the upcoming FA market as you said.

Also they may not want to make a long term commitment to the available players, and would rather focus on guys in the 1-3 year range rather than hand out a four year deal.

[ConstableGeneva]

Melo and Dwight just to see this forum explode.

[DarkAzcura]

And who is that player? We've been talking about "this player" for 3 years now. Most likely we are going to draft that player and Melo will be long gone by then.

I wanted the Celtics to hold onto cap space and make a run at Hayward or Griffin, but the new CBA + Griffin's injury history have officially soured me a bit on that. I don't think FA is going to be much of a factor anymore unfortunately so if you can pick up a guy like Melo for nothing, I say go for it. I don't think he is as selfish as some believe and think he could fit well.

The Celtics probably aren't going to be a true contende
r, but I'd love to have a 'pretender' challenging in the ECF for a couple years while talents like Brown and Tatum/Fultz/Ball come into their own. You might actually be able to match up their upswing with IT's downswing which would be ideal. It would potentially be a similar transition as what SAS got with the shift to Leonard. SAS were pretenders from 2009-2012 pretty much and didn't really become legit contenders again until Kawhi started to really develop. I could buy into this type of rebuild.

I hear you. But the Celtics ARE currently pretenders challenging for the ECF. Why not have Jaylen playing minutes, rather than have him buried even further on the bench with Melo here...

True. I guess I want the Celtics to be no questions asked better than the Raptors. Long term I know this doesn't matter, but short term I'm a bit selfish and want to see some real noise from the Celtics in the playoffs. As great as IT has been I'm still worried about us getting shut down offensively in the playoffs. Historically teams with one offensive option struggle in the playoffs, and while Horford helps, I want a bit more confidence I guess.

I just don't think the Celtics are players in FA this summer because of the new CBA so I'm not seeing the long term negatives with a Melo move other than Brown getting less minutes, which isn't appealing, I agree with that.

[Edug27]

Melo and Dwight just to see this forum explode.

Melo, Dwight and Horford.

Bird, Parish and McHale.

Danny has a plan.

[ConstableGeneva]

Melo and Dwight just to see this forum explode.

Melo, Dwight and Horford.

Bird, Parish and McHale.

Danny has a plan.

2007: Ray (32), KG (31), Pierce (30).
2017: Melo (32), Howard (31), Horford (30).

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[jirrit]

I'd agree with you, actually, if Bradley's contract and cap space weren't considerations for us.

I think we can get a better package then Mario

[Edug27]

Melo and Dwight just to see this forum explode.

Melo, Dwight and Horford.

Bird, Parish and McHale.

Danny has a plan.

2007: Ray (32), KG (31), Pierce (30).
2017: Melo (32), Howard (31), Horford (30).

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Rozier = Rondo.
Gerald Green = Posey

Ages are close enough.

[Captain_Caveman]

Then maybe we make the rumored Jae for Ibaka deal.

I've got the bigger issue if that had to be the next shoe to drop. IMO, more likely Ibaka will be an albatross contract than someone who will be worth it.

I definitely agree and don't particularly love that deal (nor hate it, tbh). I just think that, if we trade for Melo, cap space no longer matters and the size of Ibakas next deal is irrelevant.

Until other players need to be resigned.

[Bohemian]

If Ainge can work it that the Celtics get Melo and keep IT, AB, Crowder, Horford, Brown, Smart and both Brooklyn picks then fine I willing to give it a shot.

If the Celtics have to give up one of the assets I mentioned then let Melo rot in New York. Celtics have all the leverage in this situation.

Amir, Zeller, Jerebko, Rozier, Boston 2018 1st to New York for Melo and O' Quinn

That is the only deal we should make. Don´t touch it, keep it like that.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=hr75ope

[Captain_Caveman]

Trading for Melo is like going all-in without going in at all.

Trading for Nutkic is like robbing Peter, Fred, Larry and Jose to pay Paul.

[Homerclease]

Trading for Melo is like going all-in without going in at all.

Trading for Nutkic is like robbing Peter, Fred, Larry and Jose to pay Paul.

They could get Nurkic for pennies at this point, don't see how it's robbing anyone to pay Paul for that price.

[klemen4]

If Ainge can work it that the Celtics get Melo and keep IT, AB, Crowder, Horford, Brown, Smart and both Brooklyn picks then fine I willing to give it a shot.

Agree...if management is willing to spend money after 18/19 (ko, it, bradley) keeping all players Im all in for trading for Melo.

We have enough assets:
- all bos first rounders
- mem and lac 19 first
- rozier, yabu, zizic
- expiring fillers
- i dont know how many 2nd rounders

[SmartWentCrazy]

Trading for Melo is like going all-in without going in at all.

Trading for Nutkic is like robbing Peter, Fred, Larry and Jose to pay Paul.

They could get Nurkic for pennies at this point, don't see how it's robbing anyone to pay Paul for that price.

Look at Denvers historic trades-- they only make deals in which they are the clear winners. They got two firsts for Mozgov, they're not going to give Nurkic away for pennies on the dollar.

[CelticFaninLBC]

I'm skeptical Ainge can get Melo and Ibaka without giving up Crowder. Also skeptical Crowder would accept a bench role.

[Curmudgeon]

Trading for Melo is like going all-in without going in at all.

Trading for Nutkic is like robbing Peter, Fred, Larry and Jose to pay Paul.

They could get Nurkic for pennies at this point, don't see how it's robbing anyone to pay Paul for that price.

If you thought Sullinger was fat and out of shape, wait till you see Nurkic. There's a reason why the Nuggets are dumping him, and it has nothing to do with the fact that he can't play with Jokic. Good players can almost always play with good players.

As for Melo, he's a ball stopper who doesn't play defense. He would bring us further away from a championship, not closer to one.

[Homerclease]

Trading for Melo is like going all-in without going in at all.

Trading for Nutkic is like robbing Peter, Fred, Larry and Jose to pay Paul.

They could get Nurkic for pennies at this point, don't see how it's robbing anyone to pay Paul for that price.

If you thought Sullinger was fat and out of shape, wait till you see Nurkic. There's a reason why the Nuggets are dumping him, and it has nothing to do with the fact that he can't play with Jokic. Good players can almost always play with good players.

As for Melo, he's a ball stopper who doesn't play defense. He would bring us further away from a championship, not closer to one.

While this may be true, he's still better than what we have now