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Post#1441 » by Cuban Pete » Sat Sep 19, 2020 3:39 pm

100proof wrote:The draft will fill some holes.
14-Lewis Jr/S. Bey/Nesmith/
26-Ramsay/Maledon
30-BPA

Also expect for Poirier, Romeo, Kanter and Edwards to be shopped for something better in a Consolidation of assets trade.

Kemba/Lewis
Brown/Smart
Hayward/Ramsay
Tatum/GrantW
Theis/Timelord

Ramsay is a must imo.
6foot4, 6foot6 wingspan. can play either wing spot. Will get after it defensively. and shot 43% from 3 in college. an Ideal Marcus Smart running mate off the bench.

Pair him, ideally, with Kira Lewis Jr, a super speedy point guard with a solid outside stroke and we have a guard trip off the bench that can change games with defense, speed and 3 point shooting.
Lewis
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I love seeing those 3 names together.


What the hell is Ramsay going to do, cook for them when they win and berate them after a loss?
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Post#1442 » by Patsfan1081 » Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:55 pm

I think this teams needs are glaring, should be able to address somewhat in this draft. Shooting, either Nesmith or Bane. Defensive big with offensive potential in Precious, Stewart, or Reed.
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Post#1443 » by Celts17Pride » Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:16 pm

LarryBirdsFingr wrote:How about a nice, large sized point guard

I like Kira Lewis Jr. Hope he is there at 14
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Post#1444 » by playa-hater » Sun Sep 20, 2020 4:13 am

every game I watch in the playoffs gives me a little insight on what Boston needs.. having said that, Patrick Williams is gaining even more interest for me.. In this small ball ERA, he is BIG/strong enough to body up on 5s and yet switchable enough to guard 2-3-and 4 positions as well. All while having some versatile scoring ability.. will he be there at 14? I don't know, but he is high in the Mix for me now..

MY TOP 3 for 14th, would be NeSmith, S Bey, P Williams.. (not including any definite top 10 players..
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Post#1445 » by darylbe » Sun Sep 20, 2020 4:23 am

I gotta bring something up. FVV was undrafted. Pascal was a what, 28 pick? Duncan Robinson, undrafted. Tyler herro, bam, both selected at 14 in their drafts.

Yea, ainge has hit it with top 3 picks. Yes, he could have picked fultz.

An ecf team is running their offense with a #13 (sorry, not 14) draft pick in herro. 1 higher than Langford, a total loser. I know these dudes aren't the same level as tatum brown, and I know I'm dissecting w/ a microscope etc, but come on, for a dude that's drafted like 16 players in the past 4 seasons, ya think the dude would hit something (besides the lottery picks).
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Post#1446 » by darylbe » Sun Sep 20, 2020 4:32 am

Patsfan1081 wrote:I think this teams needs are glaring, should be able to address somewhat in this draft. Shooting, either Nesmith or Bane. Defensive big with offensive potential in Precious, Stewart, or Reed.


You know he just Gunna get an undersized forward or a PG with a sprained thumb :banghead:
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Post#1447 » by Squigglepuffin » Sun Sep 20, 2020 8:06 am

darylbe wrote:I gotta bring something up. FVV was undrafted. Pascal was a what, 28 pick? Duncan Robinson, undrafted. Tyler herro, bam, both selected at 14 in their drafts.

Yea, ainge has hit it with top 3 picks. Yes, he could have picked fultz.

An ecf team is running their offense with a #13 (sorry, not 14) draft pick in herro. 1 higher than Langford, a total loser. I know these dudes aren't the same level as tatum brown, and I know I'm dissecting w/ a microscope etc, but come on, for a dude that's drafted like 16 players in the past 4 seasons, ya think the dude would hit something (besides the lottery picks).


Too early to judge on Langford. I didn't like Grant Williams or Carsen Edwards.

I doubt anyone will believe me, but at the time when we had to make the pick, considering the remaining guys on the board, at #22 there were only four guys I considered CLEAR candidates for the pick: Daniel Gafford, Terance Mann, Dylan Windler, or Bol Bol.

Once I knew the athletic limitations of Grant Williams and his poor wingspan he was a no go for me. Of course Brandon Clarke was in the mix, but I read somewhere afterwards Ainge wanted him, got a little too cute and Memphis moved up. Personally I never, ever would have drafted Edwards - he was clearly going to bust, just like it was clear Gafford would be much better than his draft position.

When I saw Ainge picked Grant Williams I was like, "Why?" With Romeo though before we drafted him, it was clear he would be on our radar because Ainge likes highly regarded high schoolers with long wingspans. Personally at 14 I would have just drafted Brandon Clarke or Daniel Gafford.

ALSO there are a few teams because of who their GMs are, if you can, you should try to move up past them: Heat, Thunder, Spurs, Nets. Riley this past draft proves the point, as does Presti with Steven Adams. Spurs and Nets are relatively easier to figure out who they'll draft a lot of the time. Hawks and Warriors are easier to predict than other teams too.
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Post#1448 » by Squigglepuffin » Sun Sep 20, 2020 8:22 am

playa-hater wrote:every game I watch in the playoffs gives me a little insight on what Boston needs.. having said that, Patrick Williams is gaining even more interest for me.. In this small ball ERA, he is BIG/strong enough to body up on 5s and yet switchable enough to guard 2-3-and 4 positions as well. All while having some versatile scoring ability.. will he be there at 14? I don't know, but he is high in the Mix for me now..

MY TOP 3 for 14th, would be NeSmith, S Bey, P Williams.. (not including any definite top 10 players..


Nesmith looks like a waste of a pick imo. He can't do anything but shoot - and he can't really even create his own shot. Patrick Williams is strong but wow is his shot release slow.
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Post#1449 » by winsomme2 » Sun Sep 20, 2020 11:17 am

For the #14 pick, leaving out some most likely gone players, this is my current thinking.

Tier 1
Devin Vassell
Kira Lewis
Patrick Williams

Tier 2
Precious Achiuwa
Tyrese Maxey
Cole Anthony
Saddiq Bey


I'm afraid Tier 1 will all be off the board and Tier 2 is really hard to sort out. I like aspects of all of Tier 2 but also have reservations about each. Tier 1 I'm pretty confident have all star potential and would be extremely excited about any of the three.

After watching these playoffs, I think Lewis could have the biggest impact. That guy is gonna be a handful in transition wherever he lands.

Also, it's hard to not watch Adebayo and not think of Achiuwa. If Achiuwa can be anything like Adebayo on our team, he could really make us hard for any team to game plan against.

I've also had Ball in the back of my mind watching the playoffs and if Danny did arrange some interview with him, I can certainly see why. Another big ball handler just would make us really dangerous.
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Post#1450 » by Squigglepuffin » Sun Sep 20, 2020 1:32 pm

winsomme2 wrote:For the #14 pick, leaving out some most likely gone players, this is my current thinking.

Tier 1
Devin Vassell
Kira Lewis
Patrick Williams

Tier 2
Precious Achiuwa
Tyrese Maxey
Cole Anthony
Saddiq Bey


I'm afraid Tier 1 will all be off the board and Tier 2 is really hard to sort out. I like aspects of all of Tier 2 but also have reservations about each. Tier 1 I'm pretty confident have all star potential and would be extremely excited about any of the three.


What is your definition of Tier 1, 2, and maybe 3? Is there a tier 4? It seems like some people have their own definitions of the tiers sometimes so I'm just curious what yours is.
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Post#1451 » by LarryBirdsFingr » Sun Sep 20, 2020 3:18 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
LarryBirdsFingr wrote:How about a nice, large sized point guard

I like Kira Lewis Jr. Hope he is there at 14

Me too
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Post#1452 » by 31to6 » Sun Sep 20, 2020 4:18 pm

I like Kira’s film and size a lot, but the amount of red in his stats from Tankathon’s analysis gives me pause: http://www.tankathon.com/players/kira-lewis-jr

Can anyone who knows him better than I do speak to this?

I agree that Patrick Williams might be the guy at 14. I know we all think Jaylen can guard Bam etc. but it’s really a stretch. This guy looks like JB+ 2 crucial inches. If we can’t trade up for my binky Okongwu PW looks like a riskIer possible consolation prize.
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Post#1453 » by keevsnick1 » Sun Sep 20, 2020 4:51 pm

31to6 wrote:I like Kira’s film and size a lot, but the amount of red in his stats from Tankathon’s analysis gives me pause: http://www.tankathon.com/players/kira-lewis-jr

Can anyone who knows him better than I do speak to this?

I agree that Patrick Williams might be the guy at 14. I know we all think Jaylen can guard Bam etc. but it’s really a stretch. This guy looks like JB+ 2 crucial inches. If we can’t trade up for my binky Okongwu PW looks like a riskIer possible consolation prize.


I'd be fine with Williams, mostly because it would give the Celtics more dfeensive versatility. Williams an guard bigger guys, even some centers, allowing Jaylen for example to not have to expend so much energy and risk potential foul trouble guarding PF's all the time. Really I just wnat someone who is 6'6 or bigger, not a stiff, and can shoot at least a little.
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Post#1454 » by CelticsPride18 » Sun Sep 20, 2020 5:00 pm

Pat Williams has issues with his lateral quickness, but everything else checks out for him. Good IQ, improving jumper, good defender, great vertical athlete.
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Post#1455 » by 31to6 » Sun Sep 20, 2020 5:11 pm

keevsnick1 wrote:
31to6 wrote:I like Kira’s film and size a lot, but the amount of red in his stats from Tankathon’s analysis gives me pause: http://www.tankathon.com/players/kira-lewis-jr

Can anyone who knows him better than I do speak to this?

I agree that Patrick Williams might be the guy at 14. I know we all think Jaylen can guard Bam etc. but it’s really a stretch. This guy looks like JB+ 2 crucial inches. If we can’t trade up for my binky Okongwu PW looks like a riskIer possible consolation prize.


I'd be fine with Williams, mostly because it would give the Celtics more dfeensive versatility. Williams an guard bigger guys, even some centers, allowing Jaylen for example to not have to expend so much energy and risk potential foul trouble guarding PF's all the time. Really I just wnat someone who is 6'6 or bigger, not a stiff, and can shoot at least a little.


There’s also the idea of consolidating our later picks to get a second pick in the teens, end up with eg Williams and Lewis or Williams and one of the shooters.
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Post#1456 » by 100proof » Sun Sep 20, 2020 5:36 pm

31to6 wrote:I like Kira’s film and size a lot, but the amount of red in his stats from Tankathon’s analysis gives me pause: http://www.tankathon.com/players/kira-lewis-jr

Can anyone who knows him better than I do speak to this?

I agree that Patrick Williams might be the guy at 14. I know we all think Jaylen can guard Bam etc. but it’s really a stretch. This guy looks like JB+ 2 crucial inches. If we can’t trade up for my binky Okongwu PW looks like a riskIer possible consolation prize.



Alot of it has to do with him being by far the teams leading talent.

I wouldnt be too afraid of those reds.

Good court vision
Good quick first step
Good form in jumper
Good motor and work ethic
Good defense.

Just needs time to mature a bit more and get his body in control.
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Post#1457 » by Roddy » Sun Sep 20, 2020 5:38 pm

Do whatever it takes to pick Jalen Smith.

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Post#1458 » by Patsfan1081 » Sun Sep 20, 2020 5:47 pm

Squigglepuffin wrote:
playa-hater wrote:every game I watch in the playoffs gives me a little insight on what Boston needs.. having said that, Patrick Williams is gaining even more interest for me.. In this small ball ERA, he is BIG/strong enough to body up on 5s and yet switchable enough to guard 2-3-and 4 positions as well. All while having some versatile scoring ability.. will he be there at 14? I don't know, but he is high in the Mix for me now..

MY TOP 3 for 14th, would be NeSmith, S Bey, P Williams.. (not including any definite top 10 players..


Nesmith looks like a waste of a pick imo. He can't do anything but shoot - and he can't really even create his own shot. Patrick Williams is strong but wow is his shot release slow.


You wouldn’t take Duncan Robinson at the moment? I think that’s exactly what this team could use, they already have enough guys that can create for themselves. Plus Nesmith can attack the basket somewhat and isn’t a negative on defense like Robinson.
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Post#1459 » by Cuban Pete » Sun Sep 20, 2020 5:52 pm

31to6 wrote:I like Kira’s film and size a lot, but the amount of red in his stats from Tankathon’s analysis gives me pause: http://www.tankathon.com/players/kira-lewis-jr

Can anyone who knows him better than I do speak to this?

I agree that Patrick Williams might be the guy at 14. I know we all think Jaylen can guard Bam etc. but it’s really a stretch. This guy looks like JB+ 2 crucial inches. If we can’t trade up for my binky Okongwu PW looks like a riskIer possible consolation prize.


Tankathon is a great site, but I don't agree with what they consider relevant stats. FTA rates don't translate well into the NBA. Just ask Marcus Smart.

Lewis posted an elite 2.5 steal rate, improved his assist rate to 27.7, had a great freshman season, and shot better than 80% of his FTs. Moreover, his draft age is 19. That's the same age as a freshman. He has tremendous upside and excelling in the SEC as an 18yo is indicative of his talent. That's why I think he's going in the top 10.
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Post#1460 » by djFan71 » Sun Sep 20, 2020 6:17 pm

I can't judge the PGs in the late lotto range. I really have no idea on Lewis vs Maxey vs Anthony vs RJ, etc. If we pick one, great. That said, i'd be fine not picking one and bringing Wanamaker back or Waters or DJ Augustine or whatever.

I'm thinking something like this now:

7-10 (if we can trade up): Hayes, Okongwu, Vassell, Okoro, Haliburton
14: Green, S Bey, Precious
26/30: Reed, Bolmaro, Woodard, T Bey. Shot at Poku?

I love the idea of 14/26/Poirier to get in the 7-10 range. I think WAS would go for it at 9. If we could add Okongwu as a Bam in training, that would be amazing. But, you gotta go BPA - so if you think Hayes is an alpha scorer, grab him instead. Same on Poku - I wouldn't love him at 14, but if they think he can be a KD type, go for it. Though, I'd prefer that with 26 or 30 obviously.

Paul Reed is someone I really want to get as well. Esp if you don't end up with Okongwu. From the ringer:
Multipositional defender with the lateral quickness to contain perimeter players and the size and length to battle against leaner bigs.

Yes please. Some mocks he doesn't last til 26, so I'd move up if you need to (unless you already have Okongwu).

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