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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, part 10 and Counting . . . 

Post#1441 » by snowman » Mon Sep 4, 2023 3:14 am

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1. I think they leave the 15th spot open for $$ savings

2. PF is covered: Rob or Al starts there, the other backs them and the 5 up, Tatum plays some PF, as do Hauser and Brissett. Depending on how we count it, don’t see the opportunity for a 5th or 6th string PF — even if two of the above miss time, or two of them play all their minutes at another position, you’re still looking at 3 or 4 guys who can play PF before needing to shift Jaylen up a bit.

That's what I'm thinking 15 will be open. So as for signing anyone I think that's done unless a trade comes up.

I Agree, I think that the 15th spot will stay Open.
I also think that 1 or more of the Partially Guaranteed's don't make it to Opening Day.


Only Kornet and Banton are partially guaranteed for this season, and I really expect both to be on the roster fully guaranteed on Jan 10th, which is the cutoff date to release by if the team doesn't want to guarantee them for the entire season.
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, part 10 and Counting . . . 

Post#1442 » by shackles10 » Mon Sep 4, 2023 3:27 am

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captain green wrote:That's what I'm thinking 15 will be open. So as for signing anyone I think that's done unless a trade comes up.

I Agree, I think that the 15th spot will stay Open.
I also think that 1 or more of the Partially Guaranteed's don't make it to Opening Day.


Only Kornet and Banton are partially guaranteed for this season, and I really expect both to be on the roster fully guaranteed on Jan 10th, which is the cutoff date to release by if the team doesn't want to guarantee them for the entire season.


Who’s safer out of the two? Kornet has continuity but if Blake is signed more positional overlap. Then again Svi is more similar to Banton than Kornet obviously.
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, part 10 and Counting . . . 

Post#1443 » by 165bows » Mon Sep 4, 2023 12:36 pm

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Parliament10 wrote:I Agree, I think that the 15th spot will stay Open.
I also think that 1 or more of the Partially Guaranteed's don't make it to Opening Day.


Only Kornet and Banton are partially guaranteed for this season, and I really expect both to be on the roster fully guaranteed on Jan 10th, which is the cutoff date to release by if the team doesn't want to guarantee them for the entire season.


Who’s safer out of the two? Kornet has continuity but if Blake is signed more positional overlap. Then again Svi is more similar to Banton than Kornet obviously.

Kind of reminds me of last summer when people pined hard for Kornet to get cut and predicted his imminent demise, then he narrowly missed being second in dunks on the team for the year.

They always give a report or three way ahead of time that a guy is a roster filler like Jackson and Vonleh and Champs if you watch closely.
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Post#1444 » by 165bows » Mon Sep 4, 2023 12:41 pm

Based on my almost competent cap math they can sign two vet min free agents and still have $157,364 under apron two.

Or they eg trade for a guy from OKC making less than the vet min placeholder they’d have a little more - or if they sign a guy with under whatever threshold of years experience that would open a tiny space above that as well. Or both but you get my drift.
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, part 10 and Counting . . . 

Post#1446 » by Parliament10 » Mon Sep 4, 2023 4:30 pm

captain green wrote:That's what I'm thinking 15 will be open. So as for signing anyone I think that's done unless a trade comes up.

Parliament10 wrote:I Agree, I think that the 15th spot will stay Open.
I also think that 1 or more of the Partially Guaranteed's don't make it to Opening Day.

snowman wrote:Only Kornet and Banton are partially guaranteed for this season, and I really expect both to be on the roster fully guaranteed on Jan 10th, which is the cutoff date to release by if the team doesn't want to guarantee them for the entire season.

I think that Svi might be on a Partial, too. We'll see, when it finally comes out.

shackles10 wrote:Who’s safer out of the two? Kornet has continuity but if Blake is signed more positional overlap. Then again Svi is more similar to Banton than Kornet obviously.

Blake is really good for this team. -- I'd put him in over Kornet and Banton.

165bows wrote:Kind of reminds me of last summer when people pined hard for Kornet to get cut and predicted his imminent demise, then he narrowly missed being second in dunks on the team for the year.

They always give a report or three way ahead of time that a guy is a roster filler like Jackson and Vonleh and Champs if you watch closely.

I believe that we have quite a bit of wiggle room. As our Rotations have only been 9-Men.
But, we can go up to 15 NBA Players. and then add 3 more, with the 3 x Two-Ways.

All these extra guys, should play to extend our regular guys, and for injury insurance.
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Post#1448 » by Hal14 » Tue Sep 5, 2023 4:08 pm

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2023/09/05/sports/celtics-kristaps-porzingis-roster/

"The Celtics still have one empty roster spot and a two-way-contract opening after signing veteran wing Svi Mykhailiuk last week. According to a league source, there are no imminent plans to fill the opening, and the team may wait to see which other players become available as cuts are made around the NBA during the preseason. They may target some extra frontcourt help, but also could simply seek a good developmental piece regardless of position.

The Celtics would likely welcome a return by veteran big man Blake Griffin, who played well last year and was a strong locker room presence, but for now that appears unlikely as Griffin considers his future, the source said."


Interesting. So Blake is likely not coming back. We could seek front court help and could seek a development piece. I did hear some rumors earlier in the offseason that Blake was considering retirement..

The Garuba fans on here might get their wish..idk who else is out there for a young development piece who could be worthy of signing to a standard roster spot besides Garuba. Perhaps Marko Simonovic?

Perhaps someone like JRE or Poku gets cut by OKC..

Updated list of available free agents:

Spoiler:
Kelly Oubre
Christian Wood
Austin Rivers
Terence Davis
Danny Green
Rodney McGruder
Blake Griffin
Usman Garuba
JaMychal Green
Wenyen Gabriel
Terrence Ross
Lamar Stevens
Javonte Green
Edmond Sumner
TJ Warren
Hamidou Diallo
Bismack Biyombo
John Wall
Justice Winslow
Rudy Gay
Will Barton
Kendrick Nunn
Jaylen Nowell
Glenn Robinson III
Alize Johnson
Ish Smith
Juan Toscano-Anderson
Darren Collison
Marko Simonovic
Stanley Johnson
KZ Okpala
RaiQuan Gray
Isaiah Thomas
Noah Vonleh
RJ Hampton
Mo Harkless
Mamadi Diakite
James Johnson
Gorgui Dieng
Tony Bradley
DeMarcus Cousins
Dewayne Dedmon
Boban Marjanovic
Serge Ibaka
Derrick Favors
Kevin Knox
Anthony Lamb
Nathan Knight
Theo Pinson
Bryn Forbes
Malik Fitts
Lance Stephenson
Goran Dragic
Michael Foster Jr
George Hill
Vernon Carey Jr
Skylar Mays
Justin Jackson
Vit Krejci
Taj Gibson
Michael Carter-Williams
Rondae Hollis-Jefferson
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, part 10 and Counting . . . 

Post#1449 » by GoCeltics123 » Tue Sep 5, 2023 4:22 pm

Hal14 wrote:https://www.bostonglobe.com/2023/09/05/sports/celtics-kristaps-porzingis-roster/

"The Celtics still have one empty roster spot and a two-way-contract opening after signing veteran wing Svi Mykhailiuk last week. According to a league source, there are no imminent plans to fill the opening, and the team may wait to see which other players become available as cuts are made around the NBA during the preseason. They may target some extra frontcourt help, but also could simply seek a good developmental piece regardless of position.

The Celtics would likely welcome a return by veteran big man Blake Griffin, who played well last year and was a strong locker room presence, but for now that appears unlikely as Griffin considers his future, the source said."


Interesting. So Blake is likely not coming back. We could seek front court help and could seek a development piece. I did hear some rumors earlier in the offseason that Blake was considering retirement..

The Garuba fans on here might get their wish..idk who else is out there for a young development piece who could be worthy of signing to a standard roster spot besides Garuba. Perhaps Marko Simonovic?

Perhaps someone like JRE or Poku gets cut by OKC..

Updated list of available free agents:

Spoiler:
Kelly Oubre
Christian Wood
Austin Rivers
Terence Davis
Danny Green
Rodney McGruder
Blake Griffin
Usman Garuba
JaMychal Green
Wenyen Gabriel
Terrence Ross
Lamar Stevens
Javonte Green
Edmond Sumner
TJ Warren
Hamidou Diallo
Bismack Biyombo
John Wall
Justice Winslow
Rudy Gay
Will Barton
Kendrick Nunn
Jaylen Nowell
Glenn Robinson III
Alize Johnson
Ish Smith
Juan Toscano-Anderson
Darren Collison
Marko Simonovic
Stanley Johnson
KZ Okpala
RaiQuan Gray
Isaiah Thomas
Noah Vonleh
RJ Hampton
Mo Harkless
Mamadi Diakite
James Johnson
Gorgui Dieng
Tony Bradley
DeMarcus Cousins
Dewayne Dedmon
Boban Marjanovic
Serge Ibaka
Derrick Favors
Kevin Knox
Anthony Lamb
Nathan Knight
Theo Pinson
Bryn Forbes
Malik Fitts
Lance Stephenson
Goran Dragic
Michael Foster Jr
George Hill
Vernon Carey Jr
Skylar Mays
Justin Jackson
Vit Krejci
Taj Gibson
Michael Carter-Williams
Rondae Hollis-Jefferson

Also mentioned KP's rehab is on track so far which is good.

But that sucks majorly about Blake. I think he's gonna retire most likely
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Post#1450 » by bigfoot_cryptozoology » Tue Sep 5, 2023 5:22 pm

My Celtics Trade Of The Day

If the Warriors Pick is somewhere in the 5 - 10 range,
a trade down with a Draft Rich Team like Oklahoma
for a Pick in the 10 - 20 range and future Firsts and Seconds.

With the way the new CBA is structured and the SuperMax contracts the Celtics have,
you need a goodly amount of quality talent on cost controlled salaries. Now, if there's someone
in the 5 - 10 range, whom they consider to be a Star, you obviously keep the Pick or trade it for
an Impact Player, but if not, then Trade Down and stock up for the future.
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Post#1451 » by 165bows » Tue Sep 5, 2023 5:30 pm

Hal14 wrote:https://www.bostonglobe.com/2023/09/05/sports/celtics-kristaps-porzingis-roster/

"The Celtics still have one empty roster spot and a two-way-contract opening after signing veteran wing Svi Mykhailiuk last week. According to a league source, there are no imminent plans to fill the opening, and the team may wait to see which other players become available as cuts are made around the NBA during the preseason. They may target some extra frontcourt help, but also could simply seek a good developmental piece regardless of position.

The Celtics would likely welcome a return by veteran big man Blake Griffin, who played well last year and was a strong locker room presence, but for now that appears unlikely as Griffin considers his future, the source said."


Interesting. So Blake is likely not coming back. We could seek front court help and could seek a development piece. I did hear some rumors earlier in the offseason that Blake was considering retirement..

The Garuba fans on here might get their wish..idk who else is out there for a young development piece who could be worthy of signing to a standard roster spot besides Garuba. Perhaps Marko Simonovic?

Perhaps someone like JRE or Poku gets cut by OKC..

Updated list of available free agents:

Spoiler:
Kelly Oubre
Christian Wood
Austin Rivers
Terence Davis
Danny Green
Rodney McGruder
Blake Griffin
Usman Garuba
JaMychal Green
Wenyen Gabriel
Terrence Ross
Lamar Stevens
Javonte Green
Edmond Sumner
TJ Warren
Hamidou Diallo
Bismack Biyombo
John Wall
Justice Winslow
Rudy Gay
Will Barton
Kendrick Nunn
Jaylen Nowell
Glenn Robinson III
Alize Johnson
Ish Smith
Juan Toscano-Anderson
Darren Collison
Marko Simonovic
Stanley Johnson
KZ Okpala
RaiQuan Gray
Isaiah Thomas
Noah Vonleh
RJ Hampton
Mo Harkless
Mamadi Diakite
James Johnson
Gorgui Dieng
Tony Bradley
DeMarcus Cousins
Dewayne Dedmon
Boban Marjanovic
Serge Ibaka
Derrick Favors
Kevin Knox
Anthony Lamb
Nathan Knight
Theo Pinson
Bryn Forbes
Malik Fitts
Lance Stephenson
Goran Dragic
Michael Foster Jr
George Hill
Vernon Carey Jr
Skylar Mays
Justin Jackson
Vit Krejci
Taj Gibson
Michael Carter-Williams
Rondae Hollis-Jefferson

Still like a minor asset for Jeremiah Robinson-Earl if Blake Griffin isn't coming back. But OKC's front court is super thin so idk if that's who they'd move.
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Post#1452 » by Shak_Celts » Tue Sep 5, 2023 5:37 pm

bigfoot_cryptozoology wrote:My Celtics Trade Of The Day

If the Warriors Pick is somewhere in the 5 - 10 range,
a trade down with a Draft Rich Team like Oklahoma
for a Pick in the 10 - 20 range and future Firsts and Seconds.

With the way the new CBA is structured and the SuperMax contracts the Celtics have,
you need a goodly amount of quality talent on cost controlled salaries. Now, if there's someone
in the 5 - 10 range, whom they consider to be a Star, you obviously keep the Pick or trade it for
an Impact Player, but if not, then Trade Down and stock up for the future.


If that pick is in the 5-10 range… just wow!
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Post#1453 » by bigfoot_cryptozoology » Tue Sep 5, 2023 5:45 pm

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Post#1454 » by Hal14 » Tue Sep 5, 2023 6:23 pm

Get ready for me to post about some overseas guys we could maybe sign to the last roster spot muahahahaha
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Post#1455 » by GoCeltics123 » Tue Sep 5, 2023 6:27 pm

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Post#1456 » by Dogen » Tue Sep 5, 2023 8:06 pm

Hal14 wrote:https://www.bostonglobe.com/2023/09/05/sports/celtics-kristaps-porzingis-roster/

"The Celtics still have one empty roster spot and a two-way-contract opening after signing veteran wing Svi Mykhailiuk last week. According to a league source, there are no imminent plans to fill the opening, and the team may wait to see which other players become available as cuts are made around the NBA during the preseason. They may target some extra frontcourt help, but also could simply seek a good developmental piece regardless of position.

The Celtics would likely welcome a return by veteran big man Blake Griffin, who played well last year and was a strong locker room presence, but for now that appears unlikely as Griffin considers his future, the source said."


Interesting. So Blake is likely not coming back. We could seek front court help and could seek a development piece. I did hear some rumors earlier in the offseason that Blake was considering retirement..

The Garuba fans on here might get their wish..idk who else is out there for a young development piece who could be worthy of signing to a standard roster spot besides Garuba. Perhaps Marko Simonovic?

Perhaps someone like JRE or Poku gets cut by OKC..

Updated list of available free agents:

Spoiler:
Kelly Oubre
Christian Wood
Austin Rivers
Terence Davis
Danny Green
Rodney McGruder
Blake Griffin
Usman Garuba
JaMychal Green
Wenyen Gabriel
Terrence Ross
Lamar Stevens
Javonte Green
Edmond Sumner
TJ Warren
Hamidou Diallo
Bismack Biyombo
John Wall
Justice Winslow
Rudy Gay
Will Barton
Kendrick Nunn
Jaylen Nowell
Glenn Robinson III
Alize Johnson
Ish Smith
Juan Toscano-Anderson
Darren Collison
Marko Simonovic
Stanley Johnson
KZ Okpala
RaiQuan Gray
Isaiah Thomas
Noah Vonleh
RJ Hampton
Mo Harkless
Mamadi Diakite
James Johnson
Gorgui Dieng
Tony Bradley
DeMarcus Cousins
Dewayne Dedmon
Boban Marjanovic
Serge Ibaka
Derrick Favors
Kevin Knox
Anthony Lamb
Nathan Knight
Theo Pinson
Bryn Forbes
Malik Fitts
Lance Stephenson
Goran Dragic
Michael Foster Jr
George Hill
Vernon Carey Jr
Skylar Mays
Justin Jackson
Vit Krejci
Taj Gibson
Michael Carter-Williams
Rondae Hollis-Jefferson


That list has names that were regular NBA contributors within the last two years. A few of them we were even clamoring for. These guys must be wondering what the heck happened, maybe they realize that their paychecks are going to the Jaylen Brown's and cheaper rookie contract and G-Leaguers.

As the Celtics are currently constructed, my first choice would the young big with potential, Garuba. Second, Blake if wanted to come back.

After that, it's depth at positions that are already pretty deep. Winslow would be nice -- he wouldn't even be on this list if he could hit the 3. Georg Hill is interesting as vet presence and ball handler insurance.

Davis, Stavens, Diallo, Warren, and the Green's all should find new homes, but maybe there are not enough playoff caliber teams that have the cap room.

It would be a real knee-slapper if, after all this, Brad ends up signing Christian Wood. I'm not a big fan, but the talent is obviously there. If he could accept a limited role and sign a value contract for a year, he could turn his career around. Being on a Celtics team deep into the playoffs would get him the exposure he's missed out on in the last few years. He'd definitely fill a need, it's just a matter of will he be happy to be a soldier and hold rank.

But, Wood will probably go to Lakers, or jump on the Miami boat once the Lillard trade is done. For the Celtics, could move up into that Garuba/Griffin tier for need at back up big.

At 28 years old, has he matured enough? And is he hungry enough for a ring -- willing to make the sacrifice? If so, he could put the Celtics over the top this year as favorites.
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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread 2023-24, part 10 and Counting . . . 

Post#1457 » by Dogen » Tue Sep 5, 2023 8:19 pm

This guy covers what I wrote above and makes a similar case about Wood:

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Post#1458 » by bigfoot_cryptozoology » Tue Sep 5, 2023 10:57 pm

Miami's going to get him for crap,
it's a disgrace, but if no other NBA teams try to
trade for him, what can you do?

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Post#1459 » by bigfoot_cryptozoology » Tue Sep 5, 2023 10:59 pm

Dogen wrote:This guy covers what I wrote above and makes a similar case about Wood:




He's going to end up in Miami with Oubre.
Another disgrace.
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Post#1460 » by Curmudgeon » Tue Sep 5, 2023 11:33 pm

Griffin is a personable and articulate guy who could have a nice career in TV or radio if he wants it.
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