Buyout/Free Agent Thread, 2023-24

[Dogen]

Grant went from "trade me for Durant, not a second round pick," to "dump my big butt with a first round pick attached." Dude seems like a big time classic case of buying too hard into his own legend.

Grant's a guy that likes to talk himself up. I think it's mostly good natured and tongue-in-cheek, but rubs many people the wrong way. Maybe partly due to his upbringing being so different from many of those around him.

Gotta admit: my friends got me into Settlers of Catan and it is a pretty cool game (edit for context: Grant apparently loves this game and got Celtics team interested on the plane trips or something). But yeah, Grant is a rare bird in the NBA. Hope he does well in CHA but it seems that he has "let himself go" and is not keeping the shape he needs to be an undersized big. The rest of his game ain't good enough to compensate.

[Dogen]

I like Korkmaz as an addition assuming we're not in the running for Dinwiddie.

Nurse had him playing pg for a stretch and he was decent at it. He'd be a more versatile version of Hauser off the bench, but he may be slightly worse defensively.

Hmmm. Last need via buyout imo is either a vet PG or shooter. I wonder if Svi will get his shot now, which could cover the extra shooter. He's about as good as Korkmaz in that department, maybe better pure shooter, and can also handle the ball a bit.

I didn't know Korkmaz was playing PG. That's intruiging. --- Philly is our development team!

[zoyathedestroya]

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[KillahGhostface]

Svi way furkin better than Korkmaz.

[zoyathedestroya]

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Lakers didn't even try to get out of the tax?

[VeryMuchWoke]

Svi way furkin better than Korkmaz.

How so? They have pretty similar stats. Svi has bounced around way more. Korkmaz has been buried by mostly incompetent coaches, maybe rightly so.

I could buy that having Svi in the system makes a Korkmaz pickup pointless, but what's the evidence that he's "way better"?

[zoyathedestroya]

If top priority in the trade deadline was getting a big that can play solo or in tandem w/ KP/Al, it sounds like they aren't high on either Kornet/Queta being able to do this in the playoffs. Makes sense. Tillman has played in more meaningful playoff games than all of our bigs except Al. Defensively, he's also more versatile than Quernet/Kornetta(?).

[Memokerobi]

Svi way furkin better than Korkmaz.

How so? They have pretty similar stats. Svi has bounced around way more. Korkmaz has been buried by mostly incompetent coaches, maybe rightly so.

I could buy that having Svi in the system makes a Korkmaz pickup pointless, but what's the evidence that he's "way better"?

Wouldn't surprise me if Furkan comes back to play in Turkey

[BK_2020]

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Lakers didn't even try to get out of the tax?

Damn. Their GM just punted $11 mil. because they couldn't be assed to trade Max Christie into cap space.

[hugepatsfan]

Holiday / Pritchard
White / Springer
Brown / Hauser / Svi / Walsh
Tatum / Horford / Brissett
Porzingis / Tillman / Kornet

Seems to me that another ball handler would be the biggest "need" on the buyout market. White can slide to the PG spot obviously, but another guy would be key to giving ourselves the flexibility to rest Holiday and/or White as we choose.

It's popular idea to convert Queta to an NBA deal, but feels like a poor use of a roster spot we we're currently built.

[hugepatsfan]

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Lakers didn't even try to get out of the tax?

Damn. Their GM just punted $11 mil. because they couldn't be assed to trade Max Christie into cap space.

I think the Lakers are excluded from the luxury tax payouts that I assume you're forecasting in that $11M

[BK_2020]

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Lakers didn't even try to get out of the tax?

Damn. Their GM just punted $11 mil. because they couldn't be assed to trade Max Christie into cap space.

I think the Lakers are excluded from the luxury tax payouts that I assume you're forecasting in that $11M

Oh are they? Well I'm glad there's a Laker tax.

[165bows]

If top priority in the trade deadline was getting a big that can play solo or in tandem w/ KP/Al, it sounds like they aren't high on either Kornet/Queta being able to do this in the playoffs. Makes sense. Tillman has played in more meaningful playoff games than all of our bigs except Al. Defensively, he's also more versatile than Quernet/Kornetta(?).

Yeah I think it's the defensive mobility part that's the biggest.

Ie, Kornet/Queta are more true 5s, Tillman maybe more a combo PF/C. Seems like a good niche to fill, need a 3-5th center as a strong/mobile smaller archetype.

Now we just need to see Gallo as 6th C shooting big.

[zoyathedestroya]

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Lakers didn't even try to get out of the tax?

Damn. Their GM just punted $11 mil. because they couldn't be assed to trade Max Christie into cap space.

It's wild. Seems like GM malpractice to me. There's also the repeater tax. They could've reset the clock on that.

[Dogen]

Svi way furkin better than Korkmaz.

How so? They have pretty similar stats. Svi has bounced around way more. Korkmaz has been buried by mostly incompetent coaches, maybe rightly so.

I could buy that having Svi in the system makes a Korkmaz pickup pointless, but what's the evidence that he's "way better"?

We don't know if he's way better, because he rarely played, and when he did, it was mostly with Lamar and Dalano, who are both gone now.

In the summer, Svi was my highest rated affordable signing, and it's like he's just... there. A non-factor. My hope is that Brad really likes him and he and Joe have been "saving" Svi for post-deadline (hey it could have a flake of truth).

In any case, Svi/Tillman/Springer is a better compliment than Svi/Stephens/Banton, role-wise. Now Svi can mainly be Hauser back up sniper.

I think Svi has more to give, the questions are whether he thinks he has more to prove, and will Joe give him some minutes on an even more loaded roster?

[djFan71]

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Lakers didn't even try to get out of the tax?

Damn. Their GM just punted $11 mil. because they couldn't be assed to trade Max Christie into cap space.

It's wild. Seems like GM malpractice to me. There's also the repeater tax. They could've reset the clock on that.

You can't clean your own house when you're busy trying to buy other ones that aren't on the market.

[bisme37]

I can definitely see Grant rubbing people the wrong way but the thing about how they were mad he wore Tatum shoes instead of Luka shoes is hilariously petty lmao. Like I can't even believe someone with the Mavs mentioned that to the reporter and I can't believe the reporter then typed it and pressed send.

[Celts17Pride]

If top priority in the trade deadline was getting a big that can play solo or in tandem w/ KP/Al, it sounds like they aren't high on either Kornet/Queta being able to do this in the playoffs. Makes sense. Tillman has played in more meaningful playoff games than all of our bigs except Al. Defensively, he's also more versatile than Quernet/Kornetta(?).

Queta has always been a nice find and potential next year player as far as I'm concerned. Queta has done well but still needs some work

[BK_2020]

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Lakers didn't even try to get out of the tax?

Damn. Their GM just punted $11 mil. because they couldn't be assed to trade Max Christie into cap space.

It's wild. Seems like GM malpractice to me. There's also the repeater tax. They could've reset the clock on that.

Maybe they expect Lebron to leave this off-season.

[Hal14]

If top priority in the trade deadline was getting a big that can play solo or in tandem w/ KP/Al, it sounds like they aren't high on either Kornet/Queta being able to do this in the playoffs. Makes sense. Tillman has played in more meaningful playoff games than all of our bigs except Al. Defensively, he's also more versatile than Quernet/Kornetta(?).

Yup. That quote told me 2 things.

1) They don't see Kornet or Queta as being guys who could even be the only big out there in the playoffs which basically means neither will see the floor in the playoffs (besides garbage time).

2) More specifically, Brad mentions that Tillman gives them someone who can play as the solo big *and* as the big with either KP or Al. The main weakness for Kornet, Queta (and even KP, for that matter) is having the mobility to get out on the perimeter when needed to contest 3 pt shots..close out on shooters, defend switches out on the perimeter.

Al can do it but our other bigs (until now) can't. Especially not KP and Kornet. That's why Kornet does his Kornet Kontest. And we've seen many times this season where teams get open looks from 3, with KP standing like 5 feet away from the shooter, not getting out far enough to contest it.

Because of this, it's hard to play 2 of these guys (KP, Kornet, Queta) at the same time. If we go double big, 1 of them can be the roamer, staying close to the basket to be a weakside rim protector, staying out of the high PnR actions where he might have to contest 3's..and the other big can defend out on the perimeter.

Bottom line, Brad didn't see Kornet or Queta as playoff caliber bigs. So with that being the case, we essentially only had Al and KP for centers in the playoffs. And clearly, Brad wanted a 3rd guy so that a) we could play more double big lineups. With only Al and KP, you can't go double big too much, because who is the 2nd big in the lineup when Al or KP is on the bench? and b) you never know, there might be a game or 2 here or there in the playoffs (or even for a quarter or 2 during a game) where Al or KP is out (whether it's for injury, illness or personal reasons, ejection, who knows..) and that way we have another big to fill in as insurance