Trade Landscape/Trade Ideas

[Slartibartfast]

If the Bucks are committing to the tank then they won't care too much about albatross contracts just picks and prospects.

That might make them a good destination for Gerald Wallace if we have free agency designs in 2014 or 2015.

Butler/Delfino for Wallace and the Brk/Atl pick makes some sense. We shave $7 mil per off our cap and have one less guaranteed rookie deal in 2014. Follow that up by dumping Bass for an expiring on Washington or Charlotte and we could throw the max at Melo.

What does being committed to the tank THIS YEAR have anything to do with taking on "albatross" contracts that extent well beyond THIS YEAR? I highly doubt they are committed to the tank LONG TERM.

When you go into a longer-term rebuilding mode, long-term contracts for crappy players lose some of their negative value. That's why Seattle had so little issue with taking on Wally Z.

And they are crazy if they think they can turn their team around within the 2.5 years left on Wallace's deal. They invested long-term dollars in a bunch of crap (with the possible exception of Wallace) and they don't have any proven star talent that they can have confidence in building around short-term. Their best assets (Giannis, the 2014 pick, maybe Henson and Knight) won't be ready for primetime for awhile.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Per WT:

"Everyone knows" Love wants to sign with the Lakers, said an Eastern Conference executive.

Via Ken Berger/CBS Sports

1. F* the Lakers-
2. If true, increases the odds that Love gets dealt;
3. Decreases the return MIN gets

[Slartibartfast]

Per WT:

"Everyone knows" Love wants to sign with the Lakers, said an Eastern Conference executive.

Via Ken Berger/CBS Sports

1. F* the Lakers-
2. If true, increases the odds that Love gets dealt;
3. Decreases the return MIN gets

Pretty sure Love's main concerns in free agency will be money and contention. Ceteris paribus, I can see the Lakers having an advantage, but if they suck and Kobe's clogging the cap (he is), then I think he'll look elsewhere.

Besides, I think the Lakers are going to go all in this free agency period. Doesn't really make sense for them to keep the powder dry for Love when they've already blown this year.

[Celts17Pride]

Don't know if I would take on that contract. One thing is certain and that is if Gordon comes to Boston then Gerald Wallace is going back in the deal. That's not even open to discussion.

They have the same amount of years left and Gordon is a signficantly better player and has actual upside left.

You've gotta stop with this trading Gerald Wallace pipedream. For the 13-14 season at least. We'd have to add in additional assets to clear him off and that doesn't make sense until there's a clear picture of what the free agency class looks like that you'd be targeting.

My point was Ainge is not going to take on Gordon's salary as long as Wallace is on the team. He is not going to add that kind of salary on top of Wallace. So if Wallace isn't moved then I strongly doubt Gordon is on his way to Boston.

The only deal I would consider would be Wallace and Bogans for Gordon and a 1st rounder. New Orleans is going to have to give up a pick to move that salary from an injury prone player.

[GreenMachine]

If the Bucks are committing to the tank then they won't care too much about albatross contracts just picks and prospects.

That might make them a good destination for Gerald Wallace if we have free agency designs in 2014 or 2015.

Butler/Delfino for Wallace and the Brk/Atl pick makes some sense. We shave $7 mil per off our cap and have one less guaranteed rookie deal in 2014. Follow that up by dumping Bass for an expiring on Washington or Charlotte and we could throw the max at Melo.

What does being committed to the tank THIS YEAR have anything to do with taking on "albatross" contracts that extent well beyond THIS YEAR? I highly doubt they are committed to the tank LONG TERM.

When you go into a longer-term rebuilding mode, long-term contracts for crappy players lose some of their negative value. That's why Seattle had so little issue with taking on Wally Z.

And they are crazy if they think they can turn their team around within the 2.5 years left on Wallace's deal. They invested long-term dollars in a bunch of crap (with the possible exception of Wallace) and they don't have any proven star talent that they can have confidence in building around short-term. Their best assets (Giannis, the 2014 pick, maybe Henson and Knight) won't be ready for primetime for awhile.

Ok. Fair enough. You really were saying "if they are committed to a full rebuild" not "if they are committed to the tank". But... point taken.

Also... isn't that why WE agreed to take on Wallace?

[Slartibartfast]

What does being committed to the tank THIS YEAR have anything to do with taking on "albatross" contracts that extent well beyond THIS YEAR? I highly doubt they are committed to the tank LONG TERM.

When you go into a longer-term rebuilding mode, long-term contracts for crappy players lose some of their negative value. That's why Seattle had so little issue with taking on Wally Z.

And they are crazy if they think they can turn their team around within the 2.5 years left on Wallace's deal. They invested long-term dollars in a bunch of crap (with the possible exception of Wallace) and they don't have any proven star talent that they can have confidence in building around short-term. Their best assets (Giannis, the 2014 pick, maybe Henson and Knight) won't be ready for primetime for awhile.

Ok. Fair enough. You really were saying "if they are committed to a full rebuild" not "if they are committed to the tank". But... point taken.

Also... isn't that why WE agreed to take on Wallace?

We took on Wallace because BK payed such a king's ransom. Big negative value to us as our eagerness to dump long-term money elsewhere has shown.

[165bows]

When it comes to the trade deadline, the San Antonio Spurs aren't typically a team that has a whole lot to worry about. Their big three has held up well enough over the years to make them the most stable franchise in the league. That could change this season, however, as the Spurs have reportedly been actively engaged in the trade market.

Ken Berger of CBSSports.com mentions this on Friday in his trade buzz column: "We've been predicting the Spurs' last hurrah for years, but this time it might really be the end of the road," he writes. "The Spurs have been unusually aggressive trying to upgrade their roster in the trade market, a signal to rival execs that Gregg Popovich and R.C. Buford realize this might be the final shot at a title with the triumvirate of Tim Duncan, Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili. Duncan, 37, has a $10.4 million player option for next season, and Parker's future also has to be addressed; only $3.5 million of his $12.5 million for next season is guaranteed."

What positions and players the Spurs are targeting is anyone's guess at this point, but here are some stats that could shed some light on that. San Antonio is currently No. 3 in the NBA in offensive efficiency (107.9) and No. 5 in defensive efficiency (99.1). So there isn't really a bigger need to address one side of the ball more than the other. According to 82games.com, though, the Spurs have a net PER of -0.2 at power forward, and with Tiago Splitter out it could make sense for the Spurs to go after someone who can help Tim Duncan and Boris Diaw in the frontcourt. The rebuilding Lakers have two affordable big men on expiring deals, Chris Kaman and Jordan Hill, that could emerge as possibilities.

http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/nba/rum ... t?id=20727 ($)

Anyone have insight into what the Spurs would be looking for?

[jfs1000d]

This belongs here, maybe if I have time expand on it we can break the post out.

But, there are two players I want to discuss, and both we were rumored to be after last year and we all just absolutely said NO (many here hated the idea of acquiring these guys).

DeAndre Jordan

DeMarcus Cousins

Both those guys we were rumored to be close to getting and both times we had mini meltdowns for whatever reason. I am signaling these two guys because I think Ainge did want these guys, and I think we have to consider other players like those two who have talent but for whatever reason aren't hitting it.

Now, if you aren't paying attention to the west coast --

Deandre Jordan, the overpaid bum, is averaging 9.5 ppg and a league leading 13.5 boards per game.

That cancer Demarcus Cousins?

23.5 ppg, 11.5 rpg on 50 percent shooting.

Now, I write this because sometimes you have to look at the talent of the player, and not the other stuff. I would strongly consider Asik and get him on the cheap.

Sometimes, we are too quick to not want someone elses disappointment as if talent doesn't ultiamtely come through.

For Cousins, is Rondo not worth a 23.5 and 11 rpg per game big? I don't know, but I think it's certainly a discussion.

Wonder what else is out there in similar situations.

[Waider]

Per WT:

"Everyone knows" Love wants to sign with the Lakers, said an Eastern Conference executive.

Via Ken Berger/CBS Sports

1. F* the Lakers-
2. If true, increases the odds that Love gets dealt;
3. Decreases the return MIN gets

I think the Wolves know they are going to lose Love. Their first call should be to the Clippers for Blake (while it's not the Lakers, playing for the Clippers in LA who are contenders you'd think they'd have a good chance extending him - plus the Wolves would then have a star PF under their contractual control longer who can put bums on seats for them). I highly doubt Sterling would allow the organisation to trade his pet in Griffin though, even though I rate Love much higher than Griffin.

Would an offer at next years draft by the Celtics consisting of the following get the job done? Would we, as Celtics fans, want to make the offer?

Green/Sullinger/Faverani/whoever we draft for them with our ATL-BKN pick/2015 BOS 1st/2017 BOS-BKN 1st

for

Love

Just curious, I would do it myself. I'd say you'd want a guarantee he'd re-sign though, & tough to say if he would.

[CelticFaninLBC]

Per WT:

"Everyone knows" Love wants to sign with the Lakers, said an Eastern Conference executive.

Via Ken Berger/CBS Sports

1. F* the Lakers-
2. If true, increases the odds that Love gets dealt;
3. Decreases the return MIN gets

Hopefully Kupchak blows the remainder of LA's 2015 cap space. They already has 25 million devoted to a wahsed up Kobe in 2015-16, so I have confidence he'll do so...

[CelticFaninLBC]

Just read on the Rumor section of Espn Insider that the Pelicans are shopping Gordon and looking at the Bucks for Sanders and Mayo... If the Celtics got involed and instead sent Green to NO along with Mayo and Fav, we get Aminu and Sanders and the Bucks get Gordon (works salerywise). Do you think that would be amicable to all sides?

the article excerpt:
"Milwaukee Bucks: The Bucks have a couple of trade chips that the Pelicans might be interested in, including Larry Sanders and O.J. Mayo.

Both players have fallen out of favor with the Bucks this season -- Mayo isn't even starting -- and both are on long-term deals that Milwaukee may be eager to get rid of. Adding Gordon would address a position of need for the Bucks, and it'd thin the frontcourt so John Henson could start alongside Ersan Ilyasova, with Brandon Knight, Gordon and Giannis Antetokounmpo filling the other three spots. "

Rumors are that New Orleans wants a big to go alongside Davis, so am assuming they'll favor Sanders over Green, although they need a 3 too.

[sdballer]

This belongs here, maybe if I have time expand on it we can break the post out.

But, there are two players I want to discuss, and both we were rumored to be after last year and we all just absolutely said NO (many here hated the idea of acquiring these guys).

DeAndre Jordan

DeMarcus Cousins

Both those guys we were rumored to be close to getting and both times we had mini meltdowns for whatever reason. I am signaling these two guys because I think Ainge did want these guys, and I think we have to consider other players like those two who have talent but for whatever reason aren't hitting it.

Now, if you aren't paying attention to the west coast --

Deandre Jordan, the overpaid bum, is averaging 9.5 ppg and a league leading 13.5 boards per game.

That cancer Demarcus Cousins?

23.5 ppg, 11.5 rpg on 50 percent shooting.

Now, I write this because sometimes you have to look at the talent of the player, and not the other stuff. I would strongly consider Asik and get him on the cheap.

Sometimes, we are too quick to not want someone elses disappointment as if talent doesn't ultiamtely come through.

For Cousins, is Rondo not worth a 23.5 and 11 rpg per game big? I don't know, but I think it's certainly a discussion.

Wonder what else is out there in similar situations.

Unfortunately, acquiring cousins is out of the question a this point. I could see Sac trying to get rondo but it would be to pair with cuz, not replace him. Top 5 center right now and only 23.

[hiphop1]

Seems Detroit might be looking to get out from JSmooths contract. Would it be wise for the Celts to offer

Gerald Wallace
Keith Bogans
Brooklyn 1st

[BleedGreen1989]

Random rant, why do some Celtic fans seem so desperate to trade Jeff Green? Is it because he's not a star?

If you expected Green to take a jump into stardom, that's on you. Jeff has been the same player he always has been and he's adequately compensated for it.

[BleedGreen1989]

Chicago Receives: Keith Bogans (exp), 2015 LAC first rounder

Houston Receives: Mike Dunleavy, Brandon Bass, 2nd round pick via CHI

Boston Receives: Omer Asik

[ddb]

Chicago Receives: Keith Bogans (exp), 2015 LAC first rounder

Houston Receives: Mike Dunleavy, Brandon Bass, 2nd round pick via CHI

Boston Receives: Omer Asik

good trade idea. Well done

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[brackdan70]

Chicago Receives: Keith Bogans (exp), 2015 LAC first rounder

Houston Receives: Mike Dunleavy, Brandon Bass, 2nd round pick via CHI

Boston Receives: Omer Asik

Tom Thibodeau will burst a vein, but not bad

[Andrew McCeltic]

Seems Detroit might be looking to get out from JSmooths contract. Would it be wise for the Celts to offer

Gerald Wallace
Keith Bogans
Brooklyn 1st

So they get out of his contract by taking back an inferior player with a worse contract?

[MUhoops]

When it comes to the trade deadline, the San Antonio Spurs aren't typically a team that has a whole lot to worry about. Their big three has held up well enough over the years to make them the most stable franchise in the league. That could change this season, however, as the Spurs have reportedly been actively engaged in the trade market.

Just playing around on the trade checker...

Spurs get:
Jeff Green, SF, from BOS

Bobcats get:
Gerald Wallace, F, from BOS
Jordan Crawford, G, from BOS
Boris Diaw, F, from SA
2014 1st Round pick from Spurs

Celtics get:
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, SF, from CHA
Ben Gordan, G, from CHA
Cory Joseph, PG from SA

There are other variations and you can change out some of the BOS <-> CHAR players and picks. Not sure what Bobcats may want as far as players. Also not sure how high anyone in BOS is on Kidd-Gilchrist, but would clear some cap and get a young player. Any thoughts?

[Bohemian]

Do you guys think Ainge will try to trade for Gordon Hayward before the deadline?