Omer Asik Trade - Updated link pg.109

[Captain_Caveman]

Who still thinks a trade is coming?

Can't stop refreshing lol.

[Marley2Hendrix]

Who still thinks a trade is coming?

Can't stop refreshing lol.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/chadfordinsider/status/413846133514182656[/tweet]

Have been, but no longer think anything is coming tonight.

[15th overall]

I wouldn't put money on Morey making the smart move.. he seems pretty content huffing his own ego.

[000078ude54]

LMAO

This is amazing. I needed a good laugh.

Only fitting since that's what Morey did with this deal earlier today.

I wonder if Asik still gets along with the players or is totally ostracized.

[Banks2Pierce]

Man, I can't imagine what would've happened had the creators of LOST stumbled across this tweet prior to stumbling into season 4 and beyond... oh the possibilities.

ETA - "HURLEY, YOU NEED TO FLUSH TO SAVE THE ISLAND, NOOOOOOWWWWW!!!!!!"

Um, that's kinda what actually happened.

[tfmiii]

Unless Ainge gets greedy and tries to turn the screws on Morey (taking out the pick or something), there's two outcomes that can happen now.

1. Morey does nothing. Keeps Asik. Has less and less leverage at the real trade deadline approaches.

2. Morey "settles" for the offer he has.

I think nothing happens. I don't think Morey's ego is ready to accept two role players and pick 22.

this seems to be about the size of it: rather than make a deal that improves the team, better enabling it to win games, Morey seem's more interested in 'winning' the trade

In the process allowed his notion of worth to override the actual worth of his asset (as determined by the market whose parameters he had a large part in setting - dealing now rather than over the summer, setting an arbitrary deadline, holding a public auction). Markets are not always the arbiter of worth, but in this case... pretty hard to see it otherwise. After all, what worth is Asik sitting on the bench?

If i'm Asik (or any potential FA) i am pissed

the other gms are already pissed about the poison pill deals

Morey is outsmarting himself trying to prove he is the smartest in the room.

sometimes the best way to close a deal is to let the other guy think he is winning when in reality all that matters is whether you come out ahead of where you were relative to the competition

[Who-rod]

https://twitter.com/BenDuBose/status/413851636327387136

[Marley2Hendrix]

https://twitter.com/BenDuBose/status/413851636327387136

thus validating Caveman's claims of social ineptitude.

[GreenBloodedC]

This really is the best board in the entire world!

Thanks for the good laugh amidst this ridiculous Morey situation

[sully00]

I think Morey is a pretty good GM, you're all piling on him because you wanted the trade to go through.

You right Morey clearly has handled this all very well and should be commended for his performance. He did an excellent job of demanding two unprotected 1st round draft picks and a starting PF for a player who is "injured," otherwise coming off the bench with little impact and been demanding a trade for 3 or 4 months.

His very public self imposed deadline to trade his player after turning down any legit offers that resulted in him netting a package of nothing was clearly an excellent job of General Managing.

I don't blame him for not making the trade it wasn't a great or even a good deal for HOU I blame him for acting like ass.

[jfs1000d]

Morey is a good GM, but he should have had an Asik deal lined up before he signed Howard. Or, right after.

Right now, Asik is a negative drag value wise. He is not contributing, and wants out. He is not in rockets plan. If they add bass and lee, those are 2 players giving more than Asik.

This-- got to get full Asik value-- is like people who buy a house and want to sell it for what they think it is worth, not what the market is. The market is the market and in season, few teams in the nba can even make this Asik deal. How many suitors are there?

I do t think Boston's offer is low. It is fair considering they are getting little out of Asik right now. By waiting any longer, Morley hamstrings any deadline deals.

Morey is worried about full value of Asik in a closed market and is hamstringing his current team. Trade Asik, get some depth and a pick and go from there. He doesn't need this headache. It is bad for the team.

Other exces say it isn't a great deal for Houston. So where is their deal? Ainge has market priced right.


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[jfs1000d]

Unless Ainge gets greedy and tries to turn the screws on Morey (taking out the pick or something), there's two outcomes that can happen now.

1. Morey does nothing. Keeps Asik. Has less and less leverage at the real trade deadline approaches.

2. Morey "settles" for the offer he has.

I think nothing happens. I don't think Morey's ego is ready to accept two role players and pick 22.

this seems to be about the size of it: rather than make a deal that improves the team, better enabling it to win games, Morey seem's more interested in 'winning' the trade

In the process allowed his notion of worth to override the actual worth of his asset (as determined by the market whose parameters he had a large part in setting - dealing now rather than over the summer, setting an arbitrary deadline, holding a public auction). Markets are not always the arbiter of worth, but in this case... pretty hard to see it otherwise. After all, what worth is Asik sitting on the bench?

If i'm Asik (or any potential FA) i am pissed

the other gms are already pissed about the poison pill deals

Morey is outsmarting himself trying to prove he is the smartest in the room.

sometimes the best way to close a deal is to let the other guy think he is winning when in reality all that matters is whether you come out ahead of where you were relative to the competition

BINGO. The key is if you are better or worse, regardless of what happens to the other guy. Chris Wallace gets killed for pay gasoline deal. That worked out great for Memphis.

Morey, to me, likes to win the deal. Winning the deal comes on the court. Stunning an executive can have that authority and not learn when to make a deal. Make the deal and move on IMO.


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[CelticFaninLBC]

Houston fans on the cluthfans board think Bass, Lee, and a pick is a garbage offer. Freakin morons. No team's going to give Morey all his demands (starting 4, backup center, wing defender and pick).

[jfs1000d]

Houston fans on the cluthfans board think Bass, Lee, and a pick is a garbage offer. Freakin morons. No team's going to give Morey all his demands (starting 4, backup center, wing defender and pick).

What is the garbage? If Asik didn't demand a trade, he wouldn't be traded. Lee is a 3-point shooter and Bass is a good jump shooting PF. People got to learn what players can do.


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[CelticFaninLBC]

Houston fans on the cluthfans board think Bass, Lee, and a pick is a garbage offer. Freakin morons. No team's going to give Morey all his demands (starting 4, backup center, wing defender and pick).

What is the garbage? If Asik didn't demand a trade, he wouldn't be traded. Lee is a 3-point shooter and Bass is a good jump shooting PF. People got to learn what players can do.


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I guess some fans don't realize Bass has become a pretty solid player. They seem confident injuries will happen and a team will become desperate for Asik...

[Captain_Caveman]

Houston fans on the cluthfans board think Bass, Lee, and a pick is a garbage offer. Freakin morons. No team's going to give Morey all his demands (starting 4, backup center, wing defender and pick).

I've lurked that board during other Rockets moments and it's usually been pretty good. Some smart guys and a few insiders that are on point.

With that said, they embarrassed themselves this time around by lapping up all of Morey's empty posturing as gospel. No matter how many credible rumors came out about the weakness of offers out there, they were still convinced they were getting Rondo or Millsap right up until the end. At the end of the day, they couldn't even get Jeff Green or a late lottery pick.

That's pretty owned if you ask me, lol.

[Banks2Pierce]

You guys haven't lived until you've counted down the Omer Asik deadline on molly.

[CelticFaninLBC]

Just looking @ the teams trying to make the playoff, and it seems Morey has to be hoping for a center to have a season ending injury.

Miami - Doesn't have trade assets
Indiana - Guess they're a plausible trade partner, if Hibbert goes down.
Atlanta - Doesn't want to deal Millsap.
Brooklyn - Ainge took all their trade assets.
NYK - If Chandler goes down again, maybe they offer Bargnani and Shumpert.
Detroit - Probably just use Monroe @ center, if Drummond gets hurt.
Charlotte - Could use Asik, but doesn't seem to have a better offer than Bass, Lee & a pick.
Washington - Traded their picks to get Gortat, and doubtful they give up Porter for Asik.
Cleveland - Guess they're a plausible option, if Bynum goes down.

OKC - Doubtful Houston wants to make them even stronger.
SA - Same as OKC and they have Duncan & Splitter.
LAC - If Jordan goes down, don't have a pick to deal, since Boston has their 2015 pick and doubtful Houston wants Reggie Bullock and Bryan Mullens.
Portland - Already explored that option and Portland trade assets are guys like Thomas Robinson, who was already in Houston, and Meyers Leonard. Meh
Dallas - Could use Asik, and has Shawn Marion as an asset, but probably wants to keep cap space free for Chris Bosh in the summer.
Phoenix - Wants to use their assets on a star, so very doubtful.
Denver - Asik's a an upgrade, but not sure they have a better offer than Bass, Lee and a pic.
GSW - Has Barnes as an asset. Not sure they'd deal Barnes for Asik, if Bogut goes down though, and Houston already has a very good player @ the 3.
Lakers - Don't think they can deal a pick, since they've already dealt their 2015 and 2017 picks, so Blake and Hill isn't going to do it.
New Orleans - Doesn't want to deal Ryan Anderson, and doubtful Austin Rivers is enough.
Memphis - Has Gasol signed for another year, so doubtful they'd want to invest in Asik too.

[jfs1000d]

Just looking @ the teams trying to make the playoff, and it seems Morey has to be hoping for a center to have a season ending injury.

Miami - Doesn't have trade assets
Indiana - Guess they're a plausible trade partner, if Hibbert goes down.
Atlanta - Doesn't want to deal Millsap.
Brooklyn - Ainge took all their trade assets.
NYK - If Chandler goes down again, maybe they offer Bargnani and Shumpert.
Detroit - Probably just use Monroe @ center, if Drummond gets hurt.
Charlotte - Could use Asik, but doesn't seem to have a better offer than Bass, Lee & a pick.
Washington - Traded their picks to get Gortat, and doubtful they give up Porter for Asik.
Cleveland - Guess they're a plausible option, if Bynum goes down.

OKC - Doubtful Houston wants to make them even stronger.
SA - Same as OKC and they have Duncan & Splitter.
LAC - If Jordan goes down, don't have a pick to deal, since Boston has their 2015 pick and doubtful Houston wants Reggie Bullock and Bryan Mullens.
Portland - Already explored that option and Portland trade assets are guys like Thomas Robinson, who was already in Houston, and Meyers Leonard. Meh
Dallas - Could use Asik, and has Shawn Marion as an asset, but probably wants to keep cap space free for Chris Bosh in the summer.
Phoenix - Wants to use their assets on a star, so very doubtful.
Denver - Asik's a an upgrade, but not sure they have a better offer than Bass, Lee and a pic.
GSW - Has Barnes as an asset. Not sure they'd deal Barnes for Asik, if Bogut goes down though, and Houston already has a very good player @ the 3.
Lakers - Don't think they can deal a pick, since they've already dealt their 2015 and 2017 picks, so Blake and Hill isn't going to do it.
New Orleans - Doesn't want to deal Ryan Anderson, and doubtful Austin Rivers is enough.
Memphis - Has Gasol signed for another year, so doubtful they'd want to invest in Asik too.

So essentially, no other team has a deal. Lol.


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[Captain_Caveman]

Just looking @ the teams trying to make the playoff, and it seems Morey has to be hoping for a center to have a season ending injury.

Miami - Doesn't have trade assets
Indiana - Guess they're a plausible trade partner, if Hibbert goes down.
Atlanta - Doesn't want to deal Millsap.
Brooklyn - Ainge took all their trade assets.
NYK - If Chandler goes down again, maybe they offer Bargnani and Shumpert.
Detroit - Probably just use Monroe @ center, if Drummond gets hurt.
Charlotte - Could use Asik, but doesn't seem to have a better offer than Bass, Lee & a pick.
Washington - Traded their picks to get Gortat, and doubtful they give up Porter for Asik.
Cleveland - Guess they're a plausible option, if Bynum goes down.

OKC - Doubtful Houston wants to make them even stronger.
SA - Same as OKC and they have Duncan & Splitter.
LAC - If Jordan goes down, don't have a pick to deal, since Boston has their 2015 pick and doubtful Houston wants Reggie Bullock and Bryan Mullens.
Portland - Already explored that option and Portland trade assets are guys like Thomas Robinson, who was already in Houston, and Meyers Leonard. Meh
Dallas - Could use Asik, and has Shawn Marion as an asset, but probably wants to keep cap space free for Chris Bosh in the summer.
Phoenix - Wants to use their assets on a star, so very doubtful.
Denver - Asik's a an upgrade, but not sure they have a better offer than Bass, Lee and a pic.
GSW - Has Barnes as an asset. Not sure they'd deal Barnes for Asik, if Bogut goes down though, and Houston already has a very good player @ the 3.
Lakers - Don't think they can deal a pick, since they've already dealt their 2015 and 2017 picks, so Blake and Hill isn't going to do it.
New Orleans - Doesn't want to deal Ryan Anderson, and doubtful Austin Rivers is enough.
Memphis - Has Gasol signed for another year, so doubtful they'd want to invest in Asik too.

Even then, I don't think so. Even if these guys get hurt, most of their teams can either not take on his contract financially, or at least not do so with a viable trade package that also allows them to remain competitive.

Take the Warriors, just because I know them well. If Bogut goes down for the year, what exactly are they gonna send to Houston? They have a TPE but no picks. So they send something like Barnes, Speights and Jermaine? Not only is that deal underwhelming for all involved, Ws end up eating Asik's balloon payment just to have him as a backup next season. They lose one of their only trade assets/prospects, imbalance their roster, and still get bounced in the first or second round this year and next, with two expensive oafs at C who can't hit FTs.

I just think there are a very limited number of teams. Maybe Morey feels like the risk here is low, because deals like our will always be there, but he might be wrong about that. Unless I wake up to read that he ended up with Millsap or Thaddeus/pick, he's already lost the game IMO.