Trade Ideas Thread

[JohnB]

If we can't get deals for our expirings I bet Danny trades them for deals that expire next year just to maintain the flexibility of having a big expiring at all time to be ready for the next KG.

[IamaCeltsfan]

If we can't get deals for our expirings I bet Danny trades them for deals that expire next year just to maintain the flexibility of having a big expiring at all time to be ready for the next KG.

...or let them expire and get cap space...

[irie]

Yeah sully is the guy I'd like to upgrade. What if we could trade sully with picks and contracts for melo and more picks and unneeded guys for hibert? Could smart, AB, green, melo, hibert with a bench of most of what we have do anything?

What about big al? Could sully and other small assets fetch him? Would we want him?

Nope.

I love Melo more than most on this board, but I am over trading for him. His deal is too big, and it would cost the Celtics far more assets than it's worth. The Knicks are more attached to him than the media believes.

[Celts17Pride]

If we can't get deals for our expirings I bet Danny trades them for deals that expire next year just to maintain the flexibility of having a big expiring at all time to be ready for the next KG.

Just like free agency this year. Ainge probably has a few targets for next year like Aldridge, Gasol, Millsap etc. if he doesn't get those players then he won't spend on anyone or offer 1 year deals to players. Maybe even Evan Turner type deals. Preserve the cap space.

[Banks2Pierce]

The Philly 2nd rounder this year: Is this going to be impossible to trade until after the season as it is technically a part of a scenario that hasn't been triggered yet?

[Slartibartfast]

The Philly 2nd rounder this year: Is this going to be impossible to trade until after the season as it is technically a part of a scenario that hasn't been triggered yet?

Might be able the to trade the best of our 2015 second rounders (we're probably getting ours and maybe Washington's too) as a way to get around that.

[brackdan70]

The Philly 2nd rounder this year: Is this going to be impossible to trade until after the season as it is technically a part of a scenario that hasn't been triggered yet?

I believe we can trade the pick/s as is..so likely second rounder this year and next. can't split until end of the season would be my guess.

[SMTBSI]

The Philly 2nd rounder this year: Is this going to be impossible to trade until after the season as it is technically a part of a scenario that hasn't been triggered yet?

I believe we can trade the pick/s as is..so likely second rounder this year and next. can't split until end of the season would be my guess.

I believe this is the case. It's still coded as "Philly 2015 1st". It's conditional, and will convert to 2 2nds if those conditions (top 14 this year) are met, but they haven't technically been met yet, so the conversion hasn't happened.

Of course, there's nothing preventing us from just trading the entire "pick", i.e. the whole package, with the remote possibility of it being a first and the high probability of it becoming two 2nds, but we can't split it up yet.

I'm not positive about the actual day it splits. The day after the lottery? The last day of the season? The day Philly is statistically eliminated from playoff contention? Couldn't find anything in Coon's FAQ. My random guess would be that it wouldn't split until the pick has been "officially" assigned, so the day after the lottery. But that's just a guess. Picks 15-30 could very well be "officially" assigned at an earlier date.

[SMTBSI]

Might be able the to trade the best of our 2015 second rounders (we're probably getting ours and maybe Washington's too) as a way to get around that.

I do not believe that this is legal, unfortunately.

Other rules that pertain to trading draft picks:

- Teams cannot trade future picks not already in their possession. For example, a team cannot make a trade in 2013 that conveys the lesser of any 2016 first round pick in its possession on the date of the 2016 draft, and subsequently acquire a pick to send.

My interpretation is that, since the Philly 2015 2nd is not technically "in our possession" yet, it can't be included as a feature of a trade. My understanding is that the only way to move the Philly pick before it converts is to move the whole thing.


Admittedly there is room for interpretation here. IANACBAE. If I find something more definitive, I'll pass it along.

[Ed Pinkney]

I would have thought the Philly second rounders are tradeable since the Celtics recieved them in a trade themselves. Perhaps they cant be traded separately as individual picks until they officially become second rounders when Philly misses the playoffs this season?

[SMTBSI]

I would have thought the Philly second rounders are tradeable since the Celtics recieved them in a trade themselves. Perhaps they cant be traded separately as individual picks until they officially become second rounders when Philly misses the playoffs this season?

That's the thing. Technically, we haven't "received them in a trade" yet. What we've received is a conditional Philly 2015 1st.

The possibility, however remote, still exists that Philly could make the playoffs. In which case, they'd owe us their 2015 1st, and be free to trade their 2015 2nd to somebody else. And how could they they trade their 2nd to somebody else if we already own it?

If we like, we can re-trade the rights to that entire "2015 conditional 1st", thus, for all intents and purposes, guaranteeing the receiving team Philly's 2015 and 2016 2nds. But that's all we can do at the moment. Can't split those 2nds up since we don't technically own them yet.

[stinger14]

Yeah sully is the guy I'd like to upgrade. What if we could trade sully with picks and contracts for melo and more picks and unneeded guys for hibert? Could smart, AB, green, melo, hibert with a bench of most of what we have do anything?

What about big al? Could sully and other small assets fetch him? Would we want him?

What about Green and Wright for Big Al and Taylor

I think the Hornets would like a player like Green to help Kemba on the wing. Wright gives them a big to backup Biz who would then start.

[Elrod is Back]

we can trade Phillie's 2015 no. 2 pick. It can be written into the deal. We already possess rights to it. The disclaimer above prevents teams from incorporating draft picks they do not already possess.

[brackdan70]

Yeah sully is the guy I'd like to upgrade. What if we could trade sully with picks and contracts for melo and more picks and unneeded guys for hibert? Could smart, AB, green, melo, hibert with a bench of most of what we have do anything?

What about big al? Could sully and other small assets fetch him? Would we want him?

What about Green and Wright for Big Al and Taylor

I think the Hornets would like a player like Green to help Kemba on the wing. Wright gives them a big to backup Biz who would then start.

Can't see the Cs having any interest in AJ at this point. Past his prime and Cs are at least a couple years from being in the mix. If you want't to Move AJ going to have to send him to a contender. A rebuilding team like the Cs could do better ( for the long term) just letting Green and Wright expire. Maybe part of a three teamer where the Cs get an asset back?

[SMTBSI]

we can trade Phillie's 2015 no. 2 pick. It can be written into the deal. We already possess rights to it. The disclaimer above prevents teams from incorporating draft picks they do not already possess.

It's perfectly possible I'm wrong. Was just piecing together from what I'd read. But, my question is, what would that trade look like?

Is it as simple as: "Boston trades Philadelphia 2015 2nd, in the case that Boston obtains that pick. Otherwise, Boston's obligation is extinguished."?

I'm not contesting that we can trade whatever rights we have from Philly to another team - just that we could trade the 2015 2nd right now without also trading the 2016 2nd.

Or are you saying that Slart is correct that we could do one of those "Boston conveys the best of their 2015 2nds" deals? I have doubt about that - I thought such deals had to specify specific picks guaranteed to be conveyed. (I.E. we could trade our entire right to the better of the Boston and Brooklyn 2017 1sts, but not something more generic, like "the better of whatever picks Boston winds up having at the time".) Right now we're projected to get 3 2nd round picks this year - our own, Philly's, and Washington's. Would such a deal preclude us from trading our own 2nd for the rest of the season, given the possibility technically exists that Washington's and Philly's both could wind up being not conveyed (if Philly makes the playoffs and Wash falls out of the top 10), therefore leaving us with no 2015 2nd to fulfill the obligation?


Basically, can you provide an example of what terminology would be "written into the deal" to make there a chance of conveying only the 2015 2nd and not the 2016 2nd?

[165bows]

we can trade Phillie's 2015 no. 2 pick. It can be written into the deal. We already possess rights to it. The disclaimer above prevents teams from incorporating draft picks they do not already possess.

It's perfectly possible I'm wrong. Was just piecing together from what I'd read. But, my question is, what would that trade look like?

Is it as simple as: "Boston trades Philadelphia 2015 2nd, in the case that Boston obtains that pick. Otherwise, Boston's obligation is extinguished."?

I'm not contesting that we can trade whatever rights we have from Philly to another team - just that we could trade the 2015 2nd right now without also trading the 2016 2nd.

Or are you saying that Slart is correct that we could do one of those "Boston conveys the best of their 2015 2nds" deals? I have doubt about that - I thought such deals had to specify specific picks guaranteed to be conveyed. (I.E. we could trade our entire right to the better of the Boston and Brooklyn 2017 1sts, but not something more generic, like "the better of whatever picks Boston winds up having at the time".) Right now we're projected to get 3 2nd round picks this year - our own, Philly's, and Washington's. Would such a deal preclude us from trading our own 2nd for the rest of the season, given the possibility technically exists that Washington's and Philly's both could wind up being not conveyed (if Philly makes the playoffs and Wash falls out of the top 10), therefore leaving us with no 2015 2nd to fulfill the obligation?


Basically, can you provide an example of what terminology would be "written into the deal" to make there a chance of conveying only the 2015 2nd and not the 2016 2nd?

Yeah I don't think they can trade the solo second rounder until they have rights to it.
Either the whole thing or none at this point. Not sure why it matters though their own second is going to be almost as valuable at this rate.

[JohnB]

These phi 2nd round picks are going to be great. Hopefully there will be a lotto guy that slips due to health concerns and no one wanting to commit years to him. Then we get the first pick in the second round. Didn't SA do this with Splitter years ago?

[Drax]

These phi 2nd round picks are going to be great. Hopefully there will be a lotto guy that slips due to health concerns and no one wanting to commit years to him. Then we get the first pick in the second round. Didn't SA do this with Splitter years ago?

Agreed. Those first five picks in the second round often are just as valuable as or even more as a late first rounder. Take a flawed guy with one NBA ready skill and a real high motor and more often then not hell suprise people.

[Froob]

Cousins rumored to be unhappy in Sacramento. That's a shame. I'd give up the farm of draft picks to bring him here.

[Kenhov]

Cousins rumored to be unhappy in Sacramento. That's a shame. I'd give up the farm of draft picks to bring him here.

That was predictable. He had a great relationship with Mike Malone and from day one said he wasnt consulted. Boneheaded management.

Boston can get him. The question is whether he wants to come to the Celtics.