Trade Ideas Thread

[100proof]

If they trade oladipo then they would ask Smart and young players in a trade for Turner, hayward in that scenario doesn't make sense for them.

They could ask but they would not get.

The only things Turner did better than Theis this past season was be younger, be bigger, shoot more threes, and have a better block% (not by a lot though)

Celtics will not, in fact I dont think many teams would, overpay for that. The league puts a premium on wings, not bigmen.

Not sure how many teams out there would have use for Turner at this point in time. I dont think it would be a 10 team bidding war for his services.

Atlanta-Nope
Brooklyn - Maybe although they have Jordan and Allen
Charlotte - yes but does he fit timeline?
Bulls - Nope
Cavs - Nope
Dallas - nope
Denver - Nope
Detroit - Nope
GSW - Yeah
Rockets - Yeah
Clippers - maybe
Memphis - nope
Lakers - nope
Heat-Nope
Bucks-Nope
Wolves-Nope
Pelicans - Maybe
Knicks - Maybe (robinson there)
Thunder - Yes?
Magic - Nope
76ers - nope
Suns - Nope
Blaers - Nope
Kings - Probably
Spurs - Maybe
Raptors - Probs not
Jazz - Nope
Wizards - Maybe

So I have 3 yes and 5 maybes
GSW, Rockets, Clippers, Pelicans, Knicks, Thunder, Kings, Spurs, Wizards.

What can those teams offer than is better than Hayward and a lotto pick?

[100proof]

the Oladipo hating is stupid. He was legit one of the best two-way SGs in the entire league pre-injury. He still wasn't 100% when he came back so how are people judging him on that? That's like judging Hayward the first season he was back. And as a reminder. You people crushed him even though you qualified it with "well, he IS rusty and they say you don't really heal fully until the 2nd season!" Oladipo is just entering his prime. If you like Donovan Mitchell and Bradly Beal, well...Oladipo is better because he actually plays defense at an all-NBA level. And he's a dog. He's a much better player than Turner, though I would also love him too so maybe that can happen in lieu or in conjunction. Oladipo would be our 2nd best player by a lot if he came here. Like I said, he was pushing into Wade territory before the injury. 23-5-4 and led the league in steals. He made all-NBA and all-defensive teams. People have short memories. He's still just 27 y/o.

He had a catastrophic injury that has ended HOFers careers man. He’s rusty just like IT is still rusty after his injury. Sucks. But we cant be the suckers that take him.

I would be willing to pay his salary for a year to come off the bench if it meant getting Turner for a reasonable price.

There is maybe a 10% chance that Dipo returns to 100% his old form so there is that. But at least you are getting Turner, that is the prize imo.

Dipo could also be pawned onto someone else ideally for a bench piece and perhaps a pick coming to boston.

Of course this is all based on a hypothetical Hayward, Theis, 14 for Turner and Dipo sort of a trade.

[Saint Lazarus]

If they trade oladipo then they would ask Smart and young players in a trade for Turner, hayward in that scenario doesn't make sense for them.

Pacers fans and ownership love the treadmill. I bet we could sell them on Hayward

[100proof]

I don't see how the smaller oladipp is a better fit then the bigger hayward. If both 100% healthy Dipo is a better defender Hayward is a better shooter and passer. Oladipo healthy is a rich mans smart, but he has never been a super effecient scorer. Now if we can get Dipo and Turner for Hayward, Kanter and picks I am down.

Turner is jewel in the deal.

[Cuban Pete]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y6cyq63z

Denver saves $1mil for 2020-21
Denver gains some semblance of depth
Boston gets a 2021 2ndRP
Both teams get change of scenery types

[100proof]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y6cyq63z

Denver saves $1mil for 2020-21
Denver gains some semblance of depth
Boston gets a 2021 2ndRP
Both teams get change of scenery types

Smart is a better player than HArris. So no.

[100proof]

3 team deal:

Dallas in: Victor "the golden child worth a million draft picks" Oladipo, Poirier and pick #30
out: Maxi Kleber, Justin Jackson, Jaylen Brunson, #18, #31

Dallas gets the golden child to send out at PG

Dipo
THJ
Doncic
KP
Powell

Indiana in: Hayward, Kleber, Edwards, #14, #18
out: Turner and Dipo

Indiana upgrades the wing, adds a potential Turner replacement and 2 middle of the pack picks.

Brogdon
Hayward
Warren
Sabonis
Goga


Boston in: Turner, Jackson, Brunson
out: Hayward, Edwards, Poirier, #14, #30,

Boston gets a guy that upgrades Theis (slightly) and adds some bench depth and cap savings (15 mill TPE 3-4 mill in pick) Have pick #26 (bey or ramsey), #31 (Joe or Quickly) and #47 and MLE to use on depth as well.

Kemba/Brunson/#31
Smart/Romeo/MLE
Brown/Jackson/#26
Tatum/Theis/GrantW
Turner/Kanter/Timelord

[Cuban Pete]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y6cyq63z

Denver saves $1mil for 2020-21
Denver gains some semblance of depth
Boston gets a 2021 2ndRP
Both teams get change of scenery types

Smart is a better player than HArris. So no.

Not really. It's a chemistry issue. Harris starts for Denver. He's really a backup. He'll have a better defined role for the Cs and would mesh better than Smart currently does. As for who's better, you couldn't have asked for a better comp. Both are roughly the same age (Harris is 6 months younger), entered the NBA in the same draft (Smart 6th, Harris 19th), and have the same amount of experience.

Smart Ortg/Drtg (career)

104/106

Harris

105/113

Smart is better on D, but can be a headache. Harris has produced solid seasonal steal rates. He's a better shooter than Smart and doesn't take too many shots like Smart does. I think Smart needs to go. The fact that Harris has a better contract speaks volumes. TBH, it wouldn't be shocking if Denver is team that says "no".

[100proof]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y6cyq63z

Denver saves $1mil for 2020-21
Denver gains some semblance of depth
Boston gets a 2021 2ndRP
Both teams get change of scenery types

Smart is a better player than HArris. So no.

Not really. It's a chemistry issue. Harris starts for Denver. He's really a backup. He'll have a better defined role for the Cs and would mesh better than Smart currently does. As for who's better, you couldn't have asked for a better comp. Both are roughly the same age (Harris is 6 months younger), entered the NBA in the same draft (Smart 6th, Harris 19th), and have the same amount of experience.

Smart Ortg/Drtg (career)

104/106

Harris

105/113

Smart is better on D, but can be a headache. Harris has produced solid seasonal steal rates. He's a better shooter than Smart and doesn't take too many shots like Smart does. I think Smart needs to go. The fact that Harris has a better contract speaks volumes. TBH, it wouldn't be shocking if Denver is team that says "no".

Smart doesnt crate headaches. Maybe to you if you dont like him. but not to the team.

[Ernest]

What other stars or former stars could be on the block? Someone suggested Kemba for CP3. I wonder how many other deals like that could be out there? Just a simple vet for vet trade. There are good reasons to trade and keep Kemba and Gordon. But if they go, getting someone who can help win now would be great.

[ddb]

Dipo is v intriguing, but would him and Kemba work together? They seem to be the same type of player

Dipo and Kemba are not the same type player. First of all, Dipo is an accomplished Piano player, singer, and dancer.

I still dont understand why Danny got Theis when we already had the same player in Hayward

[ddb]

What other stars or former stars could be on the block? Someone suggested Kemba for CP3. I wonder how many other deals like that could be out there? Just a simple vet for vet trade. There are good reasons to trade and keep Kemba and Gordon. But if they go, getting someone who can help win now would be great.

CP3 isn't happening. Move on from that thought process. Makes zero sense.

[ddb]

3 team deal:

Dallas in: Victor "the golden child worth a million draft picks" Oladipo, Poirier and pick #30
out: Maxi Kleber, Justin Jackson, Jaylen Brunson, #18, #31

Dallas gets the golden child to send out at PG

Dipo
THJ
Doncic
KP
Powell

Indiana in: Hayward, Kleber, Edwards, #14, #18
out: Turner and Dipo

Indiana upgrades the wing, adds a potential Turner replacement and 2 middle of the pack picks.

Brogdon
Hayward
Warren
Sabonis
Goga


Boston in: Turner, Jackson, Brunson
out: Hayward, Edwards, Poirier, #14, #30,

Boston gets a guy that upgrades Theis (slightly) and adds some bench depth and cap savings (15 mill TPE 3-4 mill in pick) Have pick #26 (bey or ramsey), #31 (Joe or Quickly) and #47 and MLE to use on depth as well.

Kemba/Brunson/#31
Smart/Romeo/MLE
Brown/Jackson/#26
Tatum/Theis/GrantW
Turner/Kanter/Timelord

I like Brunson and I like Turner, but this isn't a good deal at all for Boston. Why is Boston giving up #14 in this deal? Take #14 out and I'd be more into it.

[ddb]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y6cyq63z

Denver saves $1mil for 2020-21
Denver gains some semblance of depth
Boston gets a 2021 2ndRP
Both teams get change of scenery types

good God, no.

[100proof]

3 team deal:

Dallas in: Victor "the golden child worth a million draft picks" Oladipo, Poirier and pick #30
out: Maxi Kleber, Justin Jackson, Jaylen Brunson, #18, #31

Dallas gets the golden child to send out at PG

Dipo
THJ
Doncic
KP
Powell

Indiana in: Hayward, Kleber, Edwards, #14, #18
out: Turner and Dipo

Indiana upgrades the wing, adds a potential Turner replacement and 2 middle of the pack picks.

Brogdon
Hayward
Warren
Sabonis
Goga


Boston in: Turner, Jackson, Brunson
out: Hayward, Edwards, Poirier, #14, #30,

Boston gets a guy that upgrades Theis (slightly) and adds some bench depth and cap savings (15 mill TPE 3-4 mill in pick) Have pick #26 (bey or ramsey), #31 (Joe or Quickly) and #47 and MLE to use on depth as well.

Kemba/Brunson/#31
Smart/Romeo/MLE
Brown/Jackson/#26
Tatum/Theis/GrantW
Turner/Kanter/Timelord

I like Brunson and I like Turner, but this isn't a good deal at all for Boston. Why is Boston giving up #14 in this deal? Take #14 out and I'd be more into it.

More for cap savings. Perhaps swap 14 and 26 instead.

[ddb]

3 team deal:

Dallas in: Victor "the golden child worth a million draft picks" Oladipo, Poirier and pick #30
out: Maxi Kleber, Justin Jackson, Jaylen Brunson, #18, #31

Dallas gets the golden child to send out at PG

Dipo
THJ
Doncic
KP
Powell

Indiana in: Hayward, Kleber, Edwards, #14, #18
out: Turner and Dipo

Indiana upgrades the wing, adds a potential Turner replacement and 2 middle of the pack picks.

Brogdon
Hayward
Warren
Sabonis
Goga


Boston in: Turner, Jackson, Brunson
out: Hayward, Edwards, Poirier, #14, #30,

Boston gets a guy that upgrades Theis (slightly) and adds some bench depth and cap savings (15 mill TPE 3-4 mill in pick) Have pick #26 (bey or ramsey), #31 (Joe or Quickly) and #47 and MLE to use on depth as well.

Kemba/Brunson/#31
Smart/Romeo/MLE
Brown/Jackson/#26
Tatum/Theis/GrantW
Turner/Kanter/Timelord

I like Brunson and I like Turner, but this isn't a good deal at all for Boston. Why is Boston giving up #14 in this deal? Take #14 out and I'd be more into it.

More for cap savings. Perhaps swap 14 and 26 instead.

I'm out on this trade idea. Doesn't move the needle for Boston at all.

[GoCeltics123]

I really don't like Oladipo's fit next to Tatum/Brown. We've seen how he's done as a role player in OKC and...the results weren't good.

He needs the ball in his hands, so that's also a bad start since Tatum/Brown do too. Plus we can only keep him for one year since he'll want a ton of money if he plays well.

[itrsteve]

If they trade oladipo then they would ask Smart and young players in a trade for Turner, hayward in that scenario doesn't make sense for them.

Pacers fans and ownership love the treadmill. I bet we could sell them on Hayward

I don't think they would have to be sold on him.

Given Hayward having roots to that city and owning a home that they spend a significant amount of time at, family, etc.... This is one player that they won't have to overpay to keep in IND when new contract time comes around. They could get him on a team friendly deal and unload Lamb's contract at the same time.

I could easily see the Indiana hometown combo: Hayward + Langford + Edwards for Turner + Lamb (maybe filler, Sumner?).

We get a serviceable center in Turner and Kemba's buddy

Indiana gets a hometown favorite and the ability to lock him up long term in addition to two cheap rookie contracts as they look to restructure with Dipo's pending departure.

[BRUNiNHO91]

Hayward to Indy, Oladipo to Philly, Horford and McDermott to Boston. Add fillers where needed.
I wouldn't trade Hayward, I'd rather add to what we have using lesser pieces, but I'd consider this trade. We would most likely be in the finals now if we had those two over a gimpy Hayward.

Hayward for Kevin Love is also interesting to me. Big man sniper would make this teams offense deadly.

[Saint Lazarus]

Hayward to Indy, Oladipo to Philly, Horford and McDermott to Boston. Add fillers where needed.
I wouldn't trade Hayward, I'd rather add to what we have using lesser pieces, but I'd consider this trade. We would most likely be in the finals now if we had those two over a gimpy Hayward.

Hayward for Kevin Love is also interesting to me. Big man sniper would make this teams offense deadly.

Horford is cooked, and that’s an all time bad trade for Indy lmao