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Trade Thread Tread pt.2 2023-24 - (Off-season)

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Re: Trade Thread Tread pt.2 2023-24 - (Off-season) 

Post#1461 » by playa-hater » Wed Jun 7, 2023 3:13 pm

watsonthedragon wrote:Let the fun begin:

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Damian Lillard says Miami is ‘obviously’ his first choice over Boston, New York, and Brooklyn in a hypothetical trade: “Bam is my dawg”


Miami doesn't have high level assets to trade. We have a 2nd All-NBA team player :D

get err dun!
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Re: Trade Thread Tread pt.2 2023-24 - (Off-season) 

Post#1462 » by playa-hater » Wed Jun 7, 2023 3:17 pm

And Scottie Branes is probably in my top 3 most untouchable players in the league.
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Re: Trade Thread Tread pt.2 2023-24 - (Off-season) 

Post#1463 » by Celts17Pride » Wed Jun 7, 2023 3:18 pm

watsonthedragon wrote:Let the fun begin:

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Damian Lillard says Miami is ‘obviously’ his first choice over Boston, New York, and Brooklyn in a hypothetical trade: “Bam is my dawg”

I think it's extremely likely that Dame Lillard will be wearing a Miami Heat uniform next year. One is because it's were he wants to go and secondly because I don't think Portland is going to get what it wants from #3, Simons, Sharpe etc.

People need to stop with the Jaylen Brown for Lillard talk. Jaylen Brown won't resign in Portland especially if Lillard is gone. The potential trade is DOA.
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Re: Trade Thread Tread pt.2 2023-24 - (Off-season) 

Post#1464 » by watsonthedragon » Wed Jun 7, 2023 3:25 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
watsonthedragon wrote:Let the fun begin:

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Damian Lillard says Miami is ‘obviously’ his first choice over Boston, New York, and Brooklyn in a hypothetical trade: “Bam is my dawg”

I think it's extremely likely that Dame Lillard will be wearing a Miami Heat uniform next year. One is because it's were he wants to go and secondly because I don't think Portland is going to get what it wants from #3, Simons, Sharpe etc.

People need to stop with the Jaylen Brown for Lillard talk. Jaylen Brown won't resign in Portland especially if Lillard is gone. The potential trade is DOA.


I don't see it unless they're giving up Bam.. What is Miami's offer - Herro, Martin, picks? Why Portland would entertain that?
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Re: Trade Thread Tread pt.2 2023-24 - (Off-season) 

Post#1465 » by Celts17Pride » Wed Jun 7, 2023 3:27 pm

watsonthedragon wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:
watsonthedragon wrote:Let the fun begin:

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I think it's extremely likely that Dame Lillard will be wearing a Miami Heat uniform next year. One is because it's were he wants to go and secondly because I don't think Portland is going to get what it wants from #3, Simons, Sharpe etc.

People need to stop with the Jaylen Brown for Lillard talk. Jaylen Brown won't resign in Portland especially if Lillard is gone. The potential trade is DOA.


I don't see it unless they're giving up Bam.. What is Miami's offer - Herro, Martin, picks? Why Portland would entertain that?

Portland will send Lillard where he wants to go for being so loyal to the organization. Just watch.
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Re: Trade Thread Tread pt.2 2023-24 - (Off-season) 

Post#1466 » by playa-hater » Wed Jun 7, 2023 3:28 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
watsonthedragon wrote:Let the fun begin:

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Damian Lillard says Miami is ‘obviously’ his first choice over Boston, New York, and Brooklyn in a hypothetical trade: “Bam is my dawg”

I think it's extremely likely that Dame Lillard will be wearing a Miami Heat uniform next year. One is because it's were he wants to go and secondly because I don't think Portland is going to get what it wants from #3, Simons, Sharpe etc.

People need to stop with the Jaylen Brown for Lillard talk. Jaylen Brown won't resign in Portland especially if Lillard is gone. The potential trade is DOA.


Yes but Dame to Boston, Brown to Houston, young assets/draft pick(4) to Portland seems very doable. Though I much rather have the 3rd pick and Sharpe if possible.
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Re: Trade Thread Tread pt.2 2023-24 - (Off-season) 

Post#1467 » by ddb » Wed Jun 7, 2023 3:35 pm

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watsonthedragon wrote:Just wanted to cross-post my rant from reddit on the new CBA here:

I think people immediately shutting down any and all JB trade ideas aren’t aware of just how drastic the changes to the CBA are going to be. It’s like a completely different league moving forward and it may be impossible to build a team around two guys taking up 70% of the cap unless they’re SO good that the pieces around them don’t matter.

It’s the same reason that it’s more or a less a guarantee that one of the 3 guards (likely Brogdon) is going to be moved this summer, and probably for not much of a return. We HAVE to shed money soon.

I’m pretty disappointed in the NBAPA. They’re totally screwing over the middle class of the league and teams built the “right way” from the ground up and fans are going to be getting a lesser product. The days of keeping “cores” together for years (see GSW or us) is probably going away and we’re going to just see contenders shuffling rookie-scale and minimum salary guys around supermax guys year to year.

All of this to say that there is (unfortunately) value to exploring moving on from JB unless you TRULY believe that he and JT are good enough to win on their own. They’re never going to have a team as good as this past years around them, and that sucks. I just think the recipe for success under the new CBA is probably one supermax guy, an all-star caliber guy on a rookie contract, and then filling out around them with more space.

Anyway, sorry for the rant but this new CBA is ****. I highly recommend you guys read up or listen to some podcasts on it because it truly is changing the landscape of the league, and I’m not over-exaggerating.


Dude, 100%! I'm so disappointed in the NBAPA. Talk about destroying what's been so good about the league for so long. You're right. The "middle class" is gone. The changes to the CBA are making the league more "Cali" then "Florida" and that's NOT a good thing for the product. It's good for the really good players and THAT'S IT.

Unfortunately, because of this reality, Brad Stevens will have to trade JB this summer or next summer. It'll likely be next summer regardless of whether or not they win the title.

The most likely scenario remains JB signs a supermax contract with Boston. Once he inks that new deal, he cannot be traded for 1 season. I'm fairly certain the new deal kicks in once the 24-25 NBA calendar begins. So technically, it doesn't really impact Boston in 23-24. Is that right?


Bolded because you're right.


And JB will play along reluctantly because it's he will go for the bag
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Re: Trade Thread Tread pt.2 2023-24 - (Off-season) 

Post#1468 » by Fierce1 » Wed Jun 7, 2023 3:36 pm

If Lillard comes to Boston then at some point in the season it's "Lame Time"!
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Re: Trade Thread Tread pt.2 2023-24 - (Off-season) 

Post#1469 » by ddb » Wed Jun 7, 2023 3:38 pm

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watsonthedragon wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:I think it's extremely likely that Dame Lillard will be wearing a Miami Heat uniform next year. One is because it's were he wants to go and secondly because I don't think Portland is going to get what it wants from #3, Simons, Sharpe etc.

People need to stop with the Jaylen Brown for Lillard talk. Jaylen Brown won't resign in Portland especially if Lillard is gone. The potential trade is DOA.


I don't see it unless they're giving up Bam.. What is Miami's offer - Herro, Martin, picks? Why Portland would entertain that?

Portland will send Lillard where he wants to go for being so loyal to the organization. Just watch.


Doubtful. Here's the bottom line with the Dame/Portland situation. He's under contract and its long-term. He doesn't have a no-trade clause either. This isn't an AD or Kawhi scenario where they had 1-year remaining on their deal and could threaten to not re-sign with the team that traded for them. Dame has zero leverage, and Portland will do what's best for Portland. They don't owe Dame anything. They've paid him a hefty contract for a long-time. If this situation gets to the point where Dame wants out, Portland will trade him to the highest bidder. And I'm sure they will TRY to send him to a good situation. But at the end of the day, it's bad business and a DEATH SENTENCE to trade him to a team that doesn't have much to offer in return.
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Re: Trade Thread Tread pt.2 2023-24 - (Off-season) 

Post#1470 » by Fierce1 » Wed Jun 7, 2023 3:40 pm

Only scenario where JB gets traded is if he does what Anthony Davis did in 2019.

If JB, Boston, and the team he's headed to agrees that JB will sign there long term, that's the only way the Cs get maximum value.

But JB needs to verbally commit to that team he's going to be traded to.

This happens if the Cs tell JB that giving him the supermax is just too much and the Cs can't afford it.

If the Celtic owners say money is not a problem then all this JB trade talk is just that, talk!
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Re: Trade Thread Tread pt.2 2023-24 - (Off-season) 

Post#1471 » by ddb » Wed Jun 7, 2023 3:41 pm

playa-hater wrote:And Scottie Branes is probably in my top 3 most untouchable players in the league.


The Barnes hype has officially gone overboard
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Re: Trade Thread Tread pt.2 2023-24 - (Off-season) 

Post#1472 » by Andrew McCeltic » Wed Jun 7, 2023 3:45 pm

What is up with the messages out of Portland? Dame wants big trades, FO says Sharpe is off limits.. are they negotiating with each other?
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Re: Trade Thread Tread pt.2 2023-24 - (Off-season) 

Post#1473 » by Larry_Russell » Wed Jun 7, 2023 3:47 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
watsonthedragon wrote:Let the fun begin:

Read on Twitter


Damian Lillard says Miami is ‘obviously’ his first choice over Boston, New York, and Brooklyn in a hypothetical trade: “Bam is my dawg”

I think it's extremely likely that Dame Lillard will be wearing a Miami Heat uniform next year. One is because it's were he wants to go and secondly because I don't think Portland is going to get what it wants from #3, Simons, Sharpe etc.

People need to stop with the Jaylen Brown for Lillard talk. Jaylen Brown won't resign in Portland especially if Lillard is gone. The potential trade is DOA.



what is miami giving?

Hero and Lowry?
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Re: Trade Thread Tread pt.2 2023-24 - (Off-season) 

Post#1474 » by Celts17Pride » Wed Jun 7, 2023 3:47 pm

Fierce1 wrote:if the Cs tell JB that giving him the supermax is just too much and the Cs can't afford it.

then JB tells the Celtics he will enter free agency in 2024/2025 and pick his own team.
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Re: Trade Thread Tread pt.2 2023-24 - (Off-season) 

Post#1475 » by ddb » Wed Jun 7, 2023 3:50 pm

Andrew McCeltic wrote:What is up with the messages out of Portland? Dame wants big trades, FO says Sharpe is off limits.. are they negotiating with each other?


I mean, if I'm running Portland, I'm trading Dame to the highest bidder. It's time to move on and rebuild. If they don't make that decision now, it's going to cost that front office jobs because I do not see a scenario where they're able to pull off multiple trades to bring in win-now guys around Dame. At least not to the level of contending for a title.
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Re: Trade Thread Tread pt.2 2023-24 - (Off-season) 

Post#1476 » by Andrew McCeltic » Wed Jun 7, 2023 3:50 pm

You’re trying to negotiate a costar for your franchise player, he’s in the media wanting to trade everyone under 25, you leak that your best trade chip is untouchable, then your franchise guy says if he had to be traded, he’d want to go to a team with no value to give….
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Re: Trade Thread Tread pt.2 2023-24 - (Off-season) 

Post#1477 » by Celts17Pride » Wed Jun 7, 2023 3:51 pm

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Celts17Pride wrote:
watsonthedragon wrote:Let the fun begin:

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I think it's extremely likely that Dame Lillard will be wearing a Miami Heat uniform next year. One is because it's were he wants to go and secondly because I don't think Portland is going to get what it wants from #3, Simons, Sharpe etc.

People need to stop with the Jaylen Brown for Lillard talk. Jaylen Brown won't resign in Portland especially if Lillard is gone. The potential trade is DOA.



what is miami giving?

Hero and Lowry?

Lowry, Martin, Herro and a ton of draft picks to go with Sharpe, Simons, #3. Decent start to a rebuild.
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Re: Trade Thread Tread pt.2 2023-24 - (Off-season) 

Post#1478 » by Larry_Russell » Wed Jun 7, 2023 3:51 pm

watsonthedragon wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:
watsonthedragon wrote:Let the fun begin:

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I think it's extremely likely that Dame Lillard will be wearing a Miami Heat uniform next year. One is because it's were he wants to go and secondly because I don't think Portland is going to get what it wants from #3, Simons, Sharpe etc.

People need to stop with the Jaylen Brown for Lillard talk. Jaylen Brown won't resign in Portland especially if Lillard is gone. The potential trade is DOA.


I don't see it unless they're giving up Bam.. What is Miami's offer - Herro, Martin, picks? Why Portland would entertain that?



Exactly.

Dame will have about 5-6 teams on his list should he ask for a trade

Boston
Philly
Lakers
Clippers
for sure arr on it
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Re: Trade Thread Tread pt.2 2023-24 - (Off-season) 

Post#1479 » by Celts17Pride » Wed Jun 7, 2023 3:53 pm

ddb wrote:
Andrew McCeltic wrote:What is up with the messages out of Portland? Dame wants big trades, FO says Sharpe is off limits.. are they negotiating with each other?


I mean, if I'm running Portland, I'm trading Dame to the highest bidder. It's time to move on and rebuild. If they don't make that decision now, it's going to cost that front office jobs because I do not see a scenario where they're able to pull off multiple trades to bring in win-now guys around Dame. At least not to the level of contending for a title.

I agree with you but I still think Portland will move Dame to where he wants to go.
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Re: Trade Thread Tread pt.2 2023-24 - (Off-season) 

Post#1480 » by Fierce1 » Wed Jun 7, 2023 3:56 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:if the Cs tell JB that giving him the supermax is just too much and the Cs can't afford it.

then JB tells the Celtics he will enter free agency in 2024/2025 and pick his own team.

I'm on the side of giving JB the supermax.

But I don't know if the owners of the Celtics are really serious about having 2 supermax players on the roster.

600m for 2 players is just too much money to be spent on 2 players.

The safe play is to give JB the supermax and have the option of trading him after 1 season.

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