The (Where Ainges Fear to) Trade Thread, 2016-17 (1.0)

[jrob23]

Trying to work on a 3 team deal for the trade board. How do you guys feel about a Nurkic/Smart swap?

Yep where do I sign up?

Jesus, no. Undervaluing Smart, and overvaluing Nurkic based on our need for a big.

What's the deal?

In a hearbeat. It would allow Horford to play the 4. Nurkic as a big is just inherently more valuable than a backup combo guard and fills our biggest need. I'll take his 12.5, 8.6 and 1.6 blocks over Smart. Yep

[reload141]

Yep where do I sign up?

Jesus, no. Undervaluing Smart, and overvaluing Nurkic based on our need for a big.

What's the deal?

In a hearbeat. It would allow Horford to play the 4. Nurkic as a big is just inherently more valuable than a backup combo guard and fills our biggest need. I'll take his 12.5, 8.6 and 1.6 blocks over Smart. Yep

Exactly.

[gocelts]

Apparently we may be interested in Omri Casspi....Some scetchy source suggests he wants out and we are one of three teams interested.

Doubtful rumor, but thought I'd toss the topic up.

If the price is right, I guess it would be nice to get a decent 3 point shooter.

[SMTBSI]

I don't think we're at a the point of our rebuild where we want Omri Casspis? Rather take a chance on Nader. (Then again, the same logic could have been used for Green...)

[Andrew McCeltic]

Jesus, no. Undervaluing Smart, and overvaluing Nurkic based on our need for a big.

What's the deal?

In a hearbeat. It would allow Horford to play the 4. Nurkic as a big is just inherently more valuable than a backup combo guard and fills our biggest need. I'll take his 12.5, 8.6 and 1.6 blocks over Smart. Yep

Exactly.

Yeah, a center can be "inherently more valuable", but you all clearly don't recognize Smart's impact and his potential. He's not the piece you deal for a center.

[Fencer reregistered]

And now Kings minority owner Shaq -- who we must note is not exactly a fount of meticulously researched insight -- says Cousins should shape up or else perhaps be shipped out.

At this point I suspect we might be bidding mainly against ourselves. Philadelphia has a fine collection of assets, but the last thing they need is a center of questionable character. Who else has spare assets that compete with ours? Who would give up major non-spare assets for Cousins?

[Fencer reregistered]

By the way -- if the Kings dealt Cousins, whose salaries would the most want to dump along with his?

The obvious answer -- Rudy Gay -- is not so obvious if you believe that he'll opt out after this season.

[cellar-door]

By the way -- if the Kings dealt Cousins, whose salaries would the most want to dump along with his?

The obvious answer -- Rudy Gay -- is not so obvious if you believe that he'll opt out after this season.

They definitely think that if they trade Rudy it will be for value. SAC really doesn't have any contracts they need to dump,

[SMTBSI]

In a hearbeat. It would allow Horford to play the 4. Nurkic as a big is just inherently more valuable than a backup combo guard and fills our biggest need. I'll take his 12.5, 8.6 and 1.6 blocks over Smart. Yep

Exactly.

Yeah, a center can be "inherently more valuable", but you all clearly don't recognize Smart's impact and his potential. He's not the piece you deal for a center.

One thing I'm still trying to get a handle on, in terms of how it affects his value: He's good to start and give you 30+ mpg if literally any of our starting PG, SG, or SF miss games. Also, if coming off the bench, he can shift his minutes between those three positions readily, depending on where else you have available quality backups. He's like several solid bench players rolled into one - gives you a ton of flexibility to simply go for best player available at the 1-3 spots, and he'll plug whatever is left over.

My intuition is that that adds value to the team, over and above his absolute contributions on the floor. Question is how much.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Yeah, Smart is filling the ET role as Swiss Army knife off the bench. But elite D. And he's improving so much on offense... I'd say his floor is still Kyle Lowry, within a few years.

Nurkic is a complicated prospect, apart from what Denver fans say. I'd put his trajectory toward being a less offensively inept version of career year Omer Asik.

[Andrew McCeltic]

We get Zizic next year, too. You can't just give assets away, you don't overpay for band aids and Tylenol, better to have a headache for awhile.

[Roddy]

Amir and Grizzilies 1st for Gortat.

[Fencer reregistered]

Amir and Grizzilies 1st for Gortat.

Why does Washington do that?

[Roddy]

Amir and Grizzilies 1st for Gortat.

Why does Washington do that?

I don't know, I am desperate lol.

Maybe at the deadline, if Washington still sucks, they could think about a little rebuild and trade an 32 years old Gortat for picks and expiring contracts.
I just can't believe they give a $15 millions contract to Mahinmi.

[BRUNiNHO91]

I still think Tyson Chandler is the absolute perfect fit for this team. Celtics would be the most savage defensive team in the NBA with that guy roaming the paint. Our 2018 first + Zeller and Green probably gets it done.

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

I posted this on the General Board... If Shaq is priming the Sac fans for an eventual Cousins deal rather than just speaking off the cuff,
(either case, you'll likely see a story leaked that Kings management have no interest in dealing Cousins)
then those Brooklyn picks (pick) could end up with the Kings in some multi-team deal. After Jackie MacMullan mentioned
Philly's interest in Avery Bradley, I thought the Celtics, Kings and Sixers could whip up some sort of trade,
where Philly receives Bradley, Sac gains lots of Draft picks, draft rights restored and young players, and the
Celtics obtain Cousins and Gay/Casspri/McLemore.

I think if Cousins is available this season, despite clearing Cap Space for Free Agency, Ainge will go after him. In the past,
not so much so, but now with the addition of Horford, IT and other good guys like Olynyk, they may feel they
can weather Cousins storms. I am thinking the Cousins situation could turn out similar to Marcus Morris, who was
a terrible person in Phoenix, but seems to have rehabilitated his image with Detroit.

[Iguodaladon]

Apparently we may be interested in Omri Casspi....Some scetchy source suggests he wants out and we are one of three teams interested.

Doubtful rumor, but thought I'd toss the topic up.

If the price is right, I guess it would be nice to get a decent 3 point shooter.

No way should we putting further blocks in front of Jaylen Brown, it would honestly probably give Brad Stevens the excuse he needs to never play Brown again

[LarryBirdsFingr]

something has to be done by at least the beginning of next season, idgaf what it is, but we're wasting three VERY valuable contracts that will never be that small again, and the team may need to be broken up. Avery and IT aren't going to take the hometown long-term discount like crowder, just won't happen unless we get another big piece in here, and still....

[Fencer reregistered]

I posted this on the General Board... If Shaq is priming the Sac fans for an eventual Cousins deal rather than just speaking off the cuff,
(either case, you'll likely see a story leaked that Kings management have no interest in dealing Cousins)
then those Brooklyn picks (pick) could end up with the Kings in some multi-team deal. After Jackie MacMullan mentioned
Philly's interest in Avery Bradley, I thought the Celtics, Kings and Sixers could whip up some sort of trade,
where Philly receives Bradley, Sac gains lots of Draft picks, draft rights restored and young players, and the
Celtics obtain Cousins and Gay/Casspri/McLemore.

I think if Cousins is available this season, despite clearing Cap Space for Free Agency, Ainge will go after him. In the past,
not so much so, but now with the addition of Horford, IT and other good guys like Olynyk, they may feel they
can weather Cousins storms. I am thinking the Cousins situation could turn out similar to Marcus Morris, who was
a terrible person in Phoenix, but seems to have rehabilitated his image with Detroit.

Is this Avery + 2 Brooklyn picks for Cousins?

[Edug27]

Yeah, Smart is filling the ET role as Swiss Army knife off the bench. But elite D. And he's improving so much on offense... I'd say his floor is still Kyle Lowry, within a few years.

Nurkic is a complicated prospect, apart from what Denver fans say. I'd put his trajectory toward being a less offensively inept version of career year Omer Asik.

He can't create his own shot like Lowry. Lowry is quick with the dribble and able to get wherever he wants and get off any shot he wants. That will never be Smarts strength. It was a pipe dream comparison when he was drafted.