Hard to Believe Ainge will Make any Move Soon Trade Thread

[winsomme2]

I think the thing that needs to guide this discussion is identifying the most pressing issue.

For me, and it's like three years running now, the biggest problem is loooooong stretches where this team CAN NOT SCORE...

it's sooo painful. You can almost feel it coming and then it hits and you're like "they're not gonna score for like the next 15 possessions..."

And then they're either way behind or they blew a huge lead or something in the middle.

It just keeps happening. We need another dynamic scoring wing. We can't have lineups with grant, semi, and theis...or anything like that.

I like to Oladipo...I kinda like hield... someone like that....

Harrison Barnes is the ultimate fake out for me...he seems like he checks the boxes but then he just doesn't deliver

[snowman]

I will admit that I did not care for Smart's game when he came into the league, but he was a Celtic with heart and I loved him for that anyway. Through the years he has gotten better with his shot, and improved his ball handling and passing and his heart and defense has jumped in a way we wish all Celtics would.

Now, I am a stats guy, so when the poster said he was shooting 25% overall for the season, I had to reply. He is shooting 37% overall, leading the team in assists and still leading the team in defense. I don't think Smart is the teams problem. He just happens to be the one to take ill advised 3 pt shots early in the shot clock when he doesn't have to.

[BK_2020]

Need Horford back, not even joking. The only problem is that contract. Philly signing Horford has to be one of the most inefficient move of all time, it ruined the Sixers forever and killed our offense.

[hugepatsfan]

My only problem with Smart is the shots he takes. How many fadeaway 2s did he take last night? I don't care if he's on the floor with four Tristan Thompsons, that should never be a shot unless the play is completely broken and the shotclock is about to expire. If you have 8 seconds left on the clock and you're taking a fading 2? GTFO.

Yes, he takes a backseat when Brown, Tatum, Walker are all healthy, but ****, it's Year 7 for him and we have all the stats in the world to show that he is bottom 1% on ALL SHOTS besides open threes. He can't finish at the rim, his floater is ****, his midrange jumper is awful, it's all trash. Why ever take these shots besides in desperation situations?

I don't care that he's a 32 pct shooter from three, fine, take the open ones and it's all good. Maybe he'll shoot 40% some year when he only take the good ones. But why is he driving to the rim and lobbing grenades? We know he can't hit that shot. Drive and if it's wide open, take it, otherwise kick it out. He took eight shots last night between the paint and the 3pt line. He shot well in this one instance, but for his career he's awful from there. I know he is taking on a larger role than normal, but I'd be so much happier if he just launched pullup threes instead of garbo fadeaway 2s. They're both 30 pct shots, but at least one of them is worth 3 pts. Plus worst case, your d efense is back, or you get a chance at a long rebound. Plus it pisses off people in the game threads, so win-win-win from my POV. Launch that ****.

He can't finish in traffic or when guarded, he has negative touch. Even shots at the rim he's a 55% shooter for his career, and that number is trending down. I thought he figured it out two years ago when he stuck to taking just threes, but his mid-range game has increased now and it's just flatout awful basketball. This team as a whole just takes way too many awful shots, so it's not even a Marcus Smart issue. We even saw Tristan Thompson take a jumpshot yesterday.

I'm super bullish on the second half of his career being better than the first half, because eventually—surely, please, god—he will stop taking so many of these shots that everyone on Earth knows he can't hit.

Not sure it's an easy fix like that. I agree that his forced shots inside are the weakness in his game. But I think it's a function of him being a really effective P&R ball handler despite not really noteworthy handle skills. It just creates a few possessions a game where the defense has the P&R covered and Smart doesn't have the handle to do anything with it in tight traffic. So he heaves up a prayer of a floater/fadeaway/whatever.

Overall I think he's a really effective P&R ball handler so it's not like you want to take away too many of those opportunities. But unless he improves on his handles to be able to get through that tough traffic inside I think he's always going to have to resort to a few of those heaves per game. Smart has usually been a good assist to turnover ration guy too, remember. So in some ways I feel like that makes up for it.

I'd obviously love for Smart or anyone else to be more effective in every way. Anything to make us better. I just think criticizing Smart as a 4th/5th option is kind of misguided. Obviously we'd be better if he improved but I think he's already a terrific quality of player in that role, all things considered.

[SmartWentCrazy]

There are two valid criticisms of Smart:

-About once a game, he’s going to take an absolutely horrible shot. Like, a fadeaway 3 with 20 seconds left on the clock type bad. But every single player on our team forces a shot at one point or another and focusing on the 5% thats bad about Smart is ignoring the 95% thats good.

-He’s not a star. He’s not being paid like a star, so this isnt a big deal, but I personally was hoping he could progress to a fringe all-star this year and its clear that just isn't going to happen.

He gets such a disproportionate amount of hate that I dont get it. Does he play like an ass hole sometimes? Yeah, but so do Jaylen, Jayson and Kemba. And Theis and TT and Teague. And Semi. And pretty much everyone on the roster. Singling Smart out just doesnt make sense to me.

[MagicBagley18]

Evan Fournier for Marcus smart oooooofffff.....and y’all got sick of my harden trade ideas. Brutal

[Celts17Pride]

Smart is an excellent player. The only issue I have with Smart is no fault of his own and that is his next contract. Smart’s next contract will 100% be in the $18-23 million a year range and maybe more. Can the Celtics afford to pay that given what he brings to the team?

That’s the question that I am glad I don’t have to answer and the Celtics will have to answer shortly.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Smart is an excellent player. The only issue I have with Smart is no fault of his own and that is his next contract. Smart’s next contract will 100% be in the $18-23 million a year range and maybe more. Can the Celtics afford to pay that given what he brings to the team?

That’s the question that I am glad I don’t have to an answer and the Celtics will have to answer shortly.

This is very true and understated. Smart has one more year after this one before he’s properly paid.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Also, I feel like the Warriors are going to end up with KAT and it sucks. Theyre gonna flip Wiseman and that Minny pick back to them and its gonna piss me off lol.

[Celts17Pride]

Also, I feel like the Warriors are going to end up with KAT and it sucks. Theyre gonna flip Wiseman and that Minny pick back to them and its gonna piss me off lol.

Honestly that kind of trade makes sense for both teams

[SmartWentCrazy]

Also, I feel like the Warriors are going to end up with KAT and it sucks. Theyre gonna flip Wiseman and that Minny pick back to them and its gonna piss me off lol.

Honestly that kind of trade makes sense for both teams

Just gotta find a home for D Lo, too [NYK?]

[FlatearthZorro]

Evan Fournier for Marcus smart oooooofffff.....and y’all got sick of my harden trade ideas. Brutal

Jokes aside tho, Fourier is kinda underrated and a perfect 4th fiddle on our offense. He can pass, shoot and create. He's Gordon Haywrad lite.

[FlatearthZorro]

Smart is an excellent player. The only issue I have with Smart is no fault of his own and that is his next contract. Smart’s next contract will 100% be in the $18-23 million a year range and maybe more. Can the Celtics afford to pay that given what he brings to the team?

That’s the question that I am glad I don’t have to answer and the Celtics will have to answer shortly.

Bro, Smart is probably one of the best defensive guards in the game, if not the best. He's not an "excellent" player tho as he does lack a lot on offense. He does have his hot games, but when he's off, he doesn't know when to stop shooting the ball and he's overall a below average offensive player(that's putting it mildly). A few years ago, he rated as one of the worst shooters ever given the minutes he has played and the amount of shots he's taken. People act as if he's not one of the worst offensive players in the league, which he actually is. Last year he improved a bit, and I was hoping that this year, he'd take 1 more step forward to maybe becoming average on offense, but imo it hasn't happened yet.

[MagicBagley18]

Also, I feel like the Warriors are going to end up with KAT and it sucks. Theyre gonna flip Wiseman and that Minny pick back to them and its gonna piss me off lol.

Honestly that kind of trade makes sense for both teams

Just gotta find a home for D Lo, too [NYK?]

I think we are a year away from a KAT trade I think Minnesota chalks this up to a wasted year with covid (which it is) and given everything KAT has been through won’t move him. Once it gets past this off season I’m not sure the Warriors have the trade ammo for a KAT trade but they def have wiseman.

One good thing about the Celtics and windy touched on this in an article lately which was was a real gm headline- the Celtics own all their firsts moving forward and IF they wanted to they could throw down a gambit of picks for the right player. That’s something Miami, Philly and others are limited from doing.

Now Simmons and herro still beats any offer if we don’t include brown but it’s still a good position to be in, especially if a player is a rental and can leverage his way here

[MagicBagley18]

Evan Fournier for Marcus smart oooooofffff.....and y’all got sick of my harden trade ideas. Brutal

Jokes aside tho, Fourier is kinda underrated and a perfect 4th fiddle on our offense. He can pass, shoot and create. He's Gordon Haywrad lite.

Ya I’d take him for sure but not for smarty

[BK_2020]

Jaylen, Top 5 Protected 1st to GSW, Nesmith to Minny
Towns to BOS, Poole or something to BOS
Wiseman, Oubre and Minny pick back to Minny.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Wouldnt trade Jaylen for KAT straight up.

[BK_2020]

Jaylen's SSS, unsustainable, hot start is KAT's normal production.

[FlatearthZorro]

Jaylen's SSS, unsustainable, hot start is KAT's normal production.

Brown does play well on defense tho and has been improving. KAT seems to be happy to put up big empty numbers, there's a lots of guys like him in the league.

[MagicBagley18]

THE move is adding to jb and jt....even if it requires finesse and over pay