It's a Tragedy to see the Deadline's Over Post Trade Thread

[ParticleMan]

^^^ agreed but it's a what have you done for me lately league.

[sportfan6197]

Jaylen for Wiseman/Looney/Ws Minny pick (if Looney opts in and the pick conveys at 4 or 5).

this is a real post?

oh god

[sportfan6197]

Jaylen for Wiseman/Looney/Ws Minny pick (if Looney opts in and the pick conveys at 4 or 5).

What's the long game here?

Reset the cap and the top 5 of this draft is the best since lebron melo wade and bosh.

Cade, Mobley, Suggs, Green and Kumanga are all legit number 1 overall picks

Cade obviously won't be there at the MIN pick. Mobley with Wiseman and Rob makes no sense.

I'd be happy with Suggs, but otherwise this doesn't help the Celtics unless we're trading Tatum as well

[sportfan6197]

I like the long time horizon Brad is playing. You don’t win in the NBA when your best player is 24 or under. Jordan didn’t, LeBron didn’t, Tatum won’t. Kobe won at 22 but he had 28 year old Shaq. Don’t try and recreate the wheel.

People are upset now because weve been spoiled by success. We traded away our stars from the title team went full rebuild and only missed the playoffs one year. Ainge was able to make a million trades and gain value to eventually get IT and then Kyrie. Those moves let us attract good free agents in Horford and Hayward.

Basically, because Ainge and Brad did such a fantastic job in the past, people are hating on them for doing an average job now.

People say twitter is bad but the Celtic forum/boards have been trash for 6 months now. Just filled with cranky grumpy people upset at the first sight of disappointment after their own expectations were set too high.

We lost 3 $100M guys in 1 offseason, preparing for a reset and stumbled our way into the ECF. We lost ANOTHER one this summer, and people are upset the team is not competing at the level of the top teams in the league while we retool

[bucknersrevenge]

The Celtics problem is not Stevens it’s Tatum, Brown and Kemba. If those 3 moved the ball and didn’t play selfishly a ton of the Celtics issues would go away.

Kemba is tough because he is what he always was a ball stopping point guard who is only looking for his own shot.

Tatum and Brown are different and both can change. Those two young players playing with Kyrie Irving and Kemba Walker have developed a lot of bad habits. Over dribbling, ISOs, step back 3’s, not passing the ball etc.

Move the ball and a ton of issues go away

Surround these 2 with ball movers and they will have no choice but to adapt. Kemba for Horford. Then Smart and TT for Lonzo sign and trade. That's what I'm hoping for.

[Ernest]

I like the long time horizon Brad is playing. You don’t win in the NBA when your best player is 24 or under. Jordan didn’t, LeBron didn’t, Tatum won’t. Kobe won at 22 but he had 28 year old Shaq. Don’t try and recreate the wheel.

People are upset now because weve been spoiled by success. We traded away our stars from the title team went full rebuild and only missed the playoffs one year. Ainge was able to make a million trades and gain value to eventually get IT and then Kyrie. Those moves let us attract good free agents in Horford and Hayward.

Basically, because Ainge and Brad did such a fantastic job in the past, people are hating on them for doing an average job now.

People say twitter is bad but the Celtic forum/boards have been trash for 6 months now. Just filled with cranky grumpy people upset at the first sight of disappointment after their own expectations were set too high.

We lost 3 $100M guys in 1 offseason, preparing for a reset and stumbled our way into the ECF. We lost ANOTHER one this summer, and people are upset the team is not competing at the level of the top teams in the league while we retool

I think a lot of it is covid fatigue. People just need to bitch about something.

[Triple7]

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Lol!
This is just stupid and robotic Brad! Better leaders by 26 and 27 wtf
So you assume you’ll still be here by then huh? If that happens, both of them would be gone already. This is just short of saying, we’ll contend when the J’s are 26 and 27 yrs old respectively. When they are both better leaders lol. Stop talking fool!

[Curmudgeon]

Jaylen for Wiseman/Looney/Ws Minny pick (if Looney opts in and the pick conveys at 4 or 5).

this is a real post?

oh god

Wiseman will be a star: KAT with defense. Plus a top 5 pick in a historically strong draft? Bye Jalen. Where do I sign up?

[ParticleMan]

Jaylen for Wiseman/Looney/Ws Minny pick (if Looney opts in and the pick conveys at 4 or 5).

this is a real post?

oh god

not nuts at all. i'm a big jaylen fan and i'd seriously consider this. wiseman is the real deal. plus a high lotto pick. looney i could care less. it's a risk but a big man with wiseman's talent is harder to find than a 6-7 wing with jaylen's talent.

[Homerclease]

Jaylen for Wiseman/Looney/Ws Minny pick (if Looney opts in and the pick conveys at 4 or 5).

this is a real post?

oh god

not nuts at all. i'm a big jaylen fan and i'd seriously consider this. wiseman is the real deal. plus a high lotto pick. looney i could care less. it's a risk but a big man with wiseman's talent is harder to find than a 6-7 wing with jaylen's talent.

Same, I’m as big a Jaylen fan on this board as it gets but I jump on this 100%. Wiseman + one of Suggs, Green or Kuminga is a fantastic return. Not sure why GS does it but Cave is more plugged into them then I will ever be

[sportfan6197]

Jaylen for Wiseman/Looney/Ws Minny pick (if Looney opts in and the pick conveys at 4 or 5).

this is a real post?

oh god

Wiseman will be a star: KAT with defense. Plus a top 5 pick in a historically strong draft? Bye Jalen. Where do I sign up?

have you watched Wiseman play at all in the past month?

[sportfan6197]

Jaylen for Wiseman/Looney/Ws Minny pick (if Looney opts in and the pick conveys at 4 or 5).

this is a real post?

oh god

not nuts at all. i'm a big jaylen fan and i'd seriously consider this. wiseman is the real deal. plus a high lotto pick. looney i could care less. it's a risk but a big man with wiseman's talent is harder to find than a 6-7 wing with jaylen's talent.

Wiseman is a Whiteside type player. Turnover machine, fouls a lot, can't pass, can only score in post ups.

I'm not saying he's a bust but he is so far from being an impact player much less an all star level guy like Jaylen. There is no rationale to trade Jaylen for him and be a key piece of the franchise with Tatum Smart and Kemba when we have RWIII

[keevsnick1]

Jaylen for Wiseman/Looney/Ws Minny pick (if Looney opts in and the pick conveys at 4 or 5).

this is a real post?

oh god

Wiseman will be a star: KAT with defense. Plus a top 5 pick in a historically strong draft? Bye Jalen. Where do I sign up?

Wiseman may or may not end up good, right now he certainly doesn't help a team win right now and big men can take a while before they really develop. Meanwhile that MIN pick may not even convey this year. If you do this trade you are likely taking a BIG step back the next two seasons at least, the first two seasons of Tatum's extension which doesn't seem like a great idea.

I don't think the value is terrible, it just doesn't make any sense for where the c's are now.

[sportfan6197]

this is a real post?

oh god

not nuts at all. i'm a big jaylen fan and i'd seriously consider this. wiseman is the real deal. plus a high lotto pick. looney i could care less. it's a risk but a big man with wiseman's talent is harder to find than a 6-7 wing with jaylen's talent.

Same, I’m as big a Jaylen fan on this board as it gets but I jump on this 100%. Wiseman + one of Suggs, Green or Kuminga is a fantastic return. Not sure why GS does it but Cave is more plugged into them then I will ever be

Again, if anyone has watched Wiseman play you can see he's been terrible on both sides of the court and probably regressed.
He is 2 season away from possibly contributing to a team that is aiming for playoffs. This team's construction wouldn't put him in a better development path either.

I would be much more inclined if the pick was #2 or 3, but with the top 4 restrictions I have no interest in getting the last batch of the big 5, and I'm personally only sold on Cade and Suggs having a high enough floor to make this intruiging

[sportfan6197]

this is a real post?

oh god

Wiseman will be a star: KAT with defense. Plus a top 5 pick in a historically strong draft? Bye Jalen. Where do I sign up?

Wiseman may or may not end up good, right now he certainly doesn't help a team win right now and big men can take a while before they really develop. Meanwhile that MIN pick may not even convey this year. If you do this trade you are likely taking a BIG step back the next two seasons at least, the first two seasons of Tatum's extension which doesn't seem like a great idea.

I don't think the value is terrible, it just doesn't make any sense for where the c's are now.

Exactly. The only way this makes sense is if you trade Rob and Tatum as well and tank next year.

Having Timelord/Wiseman on the same team is how you end up like the Sixers losing Jah and Noel for nothing despite being top prospects for a couple of year. Hilarious people that are suggesting this are the same that blame Danny for not getting value back on Morris/Rozier etc.

And Tatum is not going to want to play on a team that loses all-star talent every year, and gets worse/younger.

[Curmudgeon]

Wiseman and Timelord are two different players. They can easily coexist. Has Wiseman played like an all star? No, but he's a 20 year-old who played exactly three college games. Take a look at his per 36 stats: 19-10 and shooting nearly 35% from beyond the arc. He can stretch the floor: Timelord can't.

On another front, it looks like Hayward's 43 game healthy streak is over. Enjoy the next month with your daughters, Gordon, and who knows? You might even be back to 100% before the end of the year.

[sportfan6197]

Wiseman and Timelord are two different players. They can easily coexist. Has Wiseman played like an all star? No, but he's a 20 year-old who played exactly three college games. Take a look at his per 36 stats: 19-10 and shooting nearly 35% from beyond the arc. He can stretch the floor: Timelord can't.

On another front, it looks like Hayward's 43 game healthy streak is over. Enjoy the next month with your daughters, Gordon, and who knows? You might even be back to 100% before the end of the year.

You’re just making it obvious You havent watched him at all by using per 36 stats.

Watch a game and you can see he lacks emotional maturity and resilience. Growing pains are expected from young bigs, but he makes the same mistakes repeatedly and sulks. Has gotten worse every month. Again, very strong Whiteside vibes.

35% on 1 attempt with Curry’s gravity and his+Dray’s playmaking is not impressive

He was getting cooked by Malachi Flynn on every play yesterday.

He can get better but he needs a lot of attention and time. Except you’ll be paying $10M a year while
He works in the G League Does not fit this team at all.

[LarryBirdsFingr]

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Lol!
This is just stupid and robotic Brad! Better leaders by 26 and 27 wtf
So you assume you’ll still be here by then huh? If that happens, both of them would be gone already. This is just short of saying, we’ll contend when the J’s are 26 and 27 yrs old respectively. When they are both better leaders lol. Stop talking fool!

Man what a quote....yikes

[JediMasterRevan]

I would gladly take wiseman, not at the cost of jaylen though, and try turning him into a pf

??
Brown
Tatum
Wiseman
R williams

Would be interesting, but i think we target a pass first pg and depth instead.

??/pritch
Fournier/smart
Brown/??
Tatum/??
Timelord/kornet

Making of a great team, imo.

[Bleeding Green]

Wiseman is so raw, he's gonna be on his second contract by the time he's potentially a net-positive player.