The 2021-2022 I Wouldn't Trade Brown for Simmons Because He's a Clown Trade Thread

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[Larry_Russell]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10021028-domantas-sabonis-rumors-pacers-star-wants-out-of-indiana-amid-trade-buzz

I am torn on Sabonis and his fit with the Jays

one one hand he doesnt space the floor, so he will be a paint clog with Timelord, who is needed to cover for him defensively.

So lineup would have to start Horford. And how long with Al hold up? And can you even get him without dealing Al?

Smart
Brown
Tatum
Sabonis
Horford

edit, could run him at center I suppose, but he is not a threat to block any shots, and isnt great in switches.

Smart
??
Brown
Tatum
Sabonis

He will fit well with the Jays. A really good post up player, rebounder, can pass the ball well for a big man, and shoot a decent clip at the perimeter. Something that Timelord doesn’t have. Better to have some low post threat, than all of our guys just passing the ball outside the 3pt line. Who cares if he clogs the paint. Most of our offense focuses on chucking 3’s anyways.

But those threes come from the passer attacking the paint and kicking out.

He can be an Al Horford fit into our offense, better n fact, but at a loss on defense

[zoyathedestroya]

"One rival FO exec" is Danny Ainge, from yesterday morning, before he was hired by the Jazz.

[ddb]

Smart, Juancho, Nesmith, PP and picks for Beal.

check out my post from last page. similar, but as part of a larger 3-team deal

It's interesting. Just can't see that big of overhaul and also doubt Stevens is ready to move Brown.

Can definitely see either Beal or Simmons joining Tatum and Brown in Feb.

you're probably right. I feel like Jaylen is a Brad type of guy. Great contract too. Just hope he can be more durable moving forward. I am still a believer in Tatum/JB. I don't want to see another Vince/TMac break up.

[Larry_Russell]

what about
TImelord, Jrich and Juancho for J. Grant


Send out Schroder for a pick and/or young guys

Smart/Pritchard
Brown/Romeo
Grant/Nesmith
Tatum/GrantW
Horford/Kanter

Little light at center so maybe Schroder and or TPE can bring one of those in?

Or can Jrich, Schroder, Juancho and a pick get Grant and Joseph?

Smart/Pritch/Joseph
Brown/Romeo/Thomas
Grant/Nesmith/Hauser
Tatum/GWilliams/Parker
Horford/Timelord/Kanter

[CelticFaninLBC]

check out my post from last page. similar, but as part of a larger 3-team deal

It's interesting. Just can't see that big of overhaul and also doubt Stevens is ready to move Brown.

Can definitely see either Beal or Simmons joining Tatum and Brown in Feb.

you're probably right. I feel like Jaylen is a Brad type of guy. Great contract too. Just hope he can be more durable moving forward. I am still a believer in Tatum/JB. I don't want to see another Vince/TMac break up.

The breakup that should happen is moving either Smart or Rob Williams. Just can't have two starters who can't shoot in today's NBA.

[Hal14]

It's interesting. Just can't see that big of overhaul and also doubt Stevens is ready to move Brown.

Can definitely see either Beal or Simmons joining Tatum and Brown in Feb.

you're probably right. I feel like Jaylen is a Brad type of guy. Great contract too. Just hope he can be more durable moving forward. I am still a believer in Tatum/JB. I don't want to see another Vince/TMac break up.

The breakup that should happen is moving either Smart or Rob Williams. Just can't have two starters who can't shoot in today's NBA.

1) But those are our 2 best defenders. There's more to basketball than shooting. Defense is 50% of basketball. Smart is a 2x 1st team all defense and Rob is likely to make multiple all-defense teams in the near future. If you improve shooting but take a significantl hit on the defensive end, is it a good trade?

2) Over the past 3 seasons, Smart has shot better from 3 than Trae Young, Luka Doncic, Derozan, Booker, Westbrook, Beal, etc.

[playa-hater]

BOSTON CELTICS: There’s been a lot of talk in recent days about the Celtics and whether it is “working,” leading to the idea that Jaylen Brown could be moved. Instead, two sources indicated that in recent talks the Celtics are focused on trying to add a third star to play with Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum.

https://www.actionnetwork.com/nba/nba-trade-intel-league-sources-on-trade-season-expectations

a 3rd star?? I never heard this before.. OK let's hear it.. Can only be Beal or Dame.. Or who am I missing??

[Celts17Pride]

BOSTON CELTICS: There’s been a lot of talk in recent days about the Celtics and whether it is “working,” leading to the idea that Jaylen Brown could be moved. Instead, two sources indicated that in recent talks the Celtics are focused on trying to add a third star to play with Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum.

https://www.actionnetwork.com/nba/nba-trade-intel-league-sources-on-trade-season-expectations

a 3rd star?? I never heard this before.. OK let's hear it.. Can only be Beal or Dame.. Or who am I missing??

Could be anyone. Simmons, SGA, Sabonis .............................

[Stan34]

Stop loosing your time hoping Jaylen going to be traded. Most of you (alot of Brown haters even if they say they are not) lost years talking about trading Jaylen.

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[zoyathedestroya]

Somehow I still don't buy the "can't have two starters who can't shoot argument". Team with the best record is starting Looney and Draymond. Wiggins also wasn't a known shooter prior to coming to GS. They won titles starting Bogut and Draymond.

But then again, Tatum isn't Curry and Horford isn't Draymond. So maybe, that's the real issue.

[Larry_Russell]

It's interesting. Just can't see that big of overhaul and also doubt Stevens is ready to move Brown.

Can definitely see either Beal or Simmons joining Tatum and Brown in Feb.

you're probably right. I feel like Jaylen is a Brad type of guy. Great contract too. Just hope he can be more durable moving forward. I am still a believer in Tatum/JB. I don't want to see another Vince/TMac break up.

The breakup that should happen is moving either Smart or Rob Williams. Just can't have two starters who can't shoot in today's NBA.

I vote move the one that missed 50% of the games

[Larry_Russell]

Somehow I still don't buy the "can't have two starters who can't shoot argument". Team with the best record is starting Looney and Draymond. Wiggins also wasn't a known shooter prior to coming to GS. They won titles starting Bogut and Draymond.

But then again, Tatum isn't Curry and Horford isn't Draymond. So maybe, that's the real issue.

bingo

[Larry_Russell]

BOSTON CELTICS: There’s been a lot of talk in recent days about the Celtics and whether it is “working,” leading to the idea that Jaylen Brown could be moved. Instead, two sources indicated that in recent talks the Celtics are focused on trying to add a third star to play with Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum.

https://www.actionnetwork.com/nba/nba-trade-intel-league-sources-on-trade-season-expectations

a 3rd star?? I never heard this before.. OK let's hear it.. Can only be Beal or Dame.. Or who am I missing??

Could be anyone. Simmons, SGA, Sabonis .............................

Grant

[Larry_Russell]

you're probably right. I feel like Jaylen is a Brad type of guy. Great contract too. Just hope he can be more durable moving forward. I am still a believer in Tatum/JB. I don't want to see another Vince/TMac break up.

The breakup that should happen is moving either Smart or Rob Williams. Just can't have two starters who can't shoot in today's NBA.

1) But those are our 2 best defenders. There's more to basketball than shooting. Defense is 50% of basketball. Smart is a 2x 1st team all defense and Rob is likely to make multiple all-defense teams in the near future. If you improve shooting but take a significantly hit on the defensive end, is it a good trade?

2) Over the past 3 seasons, Smart has shot better from 3 than Trae Young, Luka Doncic, Derozan, Booker, Westbrook, Beal, etc.

Smart wouldnt be the one.

IMO its Rob.

He misses ALOT of games

[zoyathedestroya]

Bradley Beal S&T might still be the play in the offseason. Cs have a bunch of tradeable salaries to match. Dunno how I feel about maxing Beal though when he's not even been better than PG or Butler in terms of playoff success. So it's still Tatum as your #1 but Cs get a better #2 with Brown playing 3rd banana or 2B. It also feels like we've already done that 3-wing thing when Hayward was healthy but they never really made it work.

[Larry_Russell]

Bradley Beal S&T might still be the play in the offseason. Cs have a bunch of tradeable salaries to match. Dunno how I feel about maxing Beal though when he's not even been better than PG or Butler in terms of playoff success. So it's still Tatum as your #1 but Cs get a better #2 with Brown playing 3rd banana or 2B. It also feels like we've already done that 3-wing thing when Hayward was healthy but they never really made it work.

I am down with a 3rd wing if they are a shooter. and Center I think is still potentially a concern.

I have little faith in Robs ability to remain healthy, and Horfords ability to not be old.

I would love to trade for Turner at this point in time. Especially with Tatum excellence at rebounding I wouldnt be too concerned about Turner history of not being particulary awesome at it. To a lesser extent JV too.

[Larry_Russell]

To Indiana:
Horford, Schroder, Romeo, boston 1st, boston 2nd

To Sacramento
Caris LeVert

To Boston
Turner, Barnes, Woodard

Smart/Pritchard
Brown/Richardson
Tatum/Nesmith
Barnes/Grant
Turner/Timelord

[cl2117]

22/24/26 unprotected picks
23/25/27 swap rights
Romeo
Pritchard
Juancho
JRich

for

Sabonis
Lamb
Wannamaker (C's use a TPE to take on Brad).

Smart/Schroder/Wannamaker
Brown/JRich/Lamb
Tatum/Nesmith
Sabonis/G. Williams
Horford/Timelord/Enes

It feels like a lot of picks, but it's 3 likely late picks and swaps that shouldn't happen. Biggest issue is that it just leaves little of value left over to try and upgrade/get better positional fits around your Brown/Tatum/Sabonis trio, but it's a step in the right direction.

[Celts17Pride]

a 3rd star?? I never heard this before.. OK let's hear it.. Can only be Beal or Dame.. Or who am I missing??

Could be anyone. Simmons, SGA, Sabonis .............................

Grant

All depends on opportunity. The other team has to be willing to move whatever player that might be involved.