Celtics and Clippers Deal close to Being Official

Post #1501 » by **SuperDeluxe** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:29 am

CelticFaninLBC wrote:Centers about the same:
Gortat
Asik
Pekovic
Sanders

I haven't seen Pekovic play, and I've only seen a bit of Sanders. But I'd take Gortat or Asik over Jordan 100 times out of 100.

Banks2Pierce · Post #1502 » by **Banks2Pierce** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:29 am

Offer's down to Jordan and 2 first rounders. Yikes.

15th overall · Post #1503 » by **15th overall** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:29 am

Celts17Pride wrote:
PP 4 Three wrote:I'm sorry, but Jordan's been in the league for 5 years and is still getting benched in the 4th quarter for being a liability. That does not sound like a guy who has shown any major signs of progress. The fact that he's gonna be in a **** situation in Boston is probably gonna hinder his motivation to get better even more.
Turn the clock ahead one year. The Celtics will get a heck of a lot more offers for D Jordan then they will for KG. Celtics are rebuilding, this is what it's about. Collecting assets.

But Bledsoe will be bringing in better offers then Jordan ever will which is why he NEEDS to be in this deal.

DoubleHappiness · Post #1504 » by **DoubleHappiness** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:30 am

I didnt see the previous four posts while I was making a drink and writing mine. Not trying to beat a dead horse.

eitanr · Post #1505 » by **eitanr** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:30 am

Marley2Hendrix wrote:
eitanr wrote:Hey guys, so on the side I help out prospective assistant coaches he are interviewing for head coaching jobs. I give these guys advanced stat decks on the teams.

One of the coaches (who has been interviewing elsewhere) spoke to me today and said the opening in Boston could happen in the next 36 hours and to prepare a deck on them (The Celts) because he would get interviewed if the job opened up.

I'm waiting along with you guys, but it seriously sounds like this will get done!

Thanks for the lead, brother bear. I can't imagine this doesn't get done, but I also thought it made no sense that this deal didn't get done at the deadline. Excited to debate the +/-'s of the coaching candidates, and I look forward to watching a new offensive system next year.

obviously I am rooting he does leave. I'm from Boston and been a die hard Celtic fan my whole life. An opportunity to help the team would be sublime.

My 2 cents. This deal needs to get done in some fashion. We can squabble over the precise value but in reality Celts kind of make out like bandits. First off, it doesn't make sense keeping Doc at his salary if your going to rebuild. Second, Jordan has a lot more growth to do and could be a top 5 center in the East. Not bad value for someone a yr or so away from retirement.

Having said that I want to hear about step 2...dealing Rondo. I don't think it makes sense building a team around green dj and rondo. That's not going to go very deep. Celts need to make a giant deal with Rondo to complete the rebuild. They could be patient and wait until the deadline...keeping him long term; however, puts the team in that akward 40 win path...the worst thing for any nba franchise

Post #1506 » by **165bows** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:33 am

Justin33 wrote:
tombattor wrote:I think people are under rating Jordan. He's not great, but he's young and is a legit starting center in the nba. Of course kg is a significantly better player, so they need to either take crap contract or 2 or give us draft picks. But we're getting something out of it. With doc, we have all the leverage. We can hold out for a lot. I'd say 2 first round picks should be good. Clippers should be drafting in the 20s and those picks are not very valuable if you look at the percentages of stars from those draft positions.

So I think dj, 2 first for terry or lee, kg and doc is a fair deal. If they want to buy a contender, you gotta pay up.

Golden State thought enough of him to offer him that contract as well as LAC

To be fair, GS made the offer. They forced LA to match or lose him.

Post #1507 » by **sully00** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:34 am

I have been looking at the salary numbers and I think what they are kicking around is a whether they do KG/Terry for Jordan/Green or Summers or whether they do KG/Terry/Lee for Jordan/Butler. Ainge saves more money this year with keeping Lee and Butler out of it but more long term if they are in. There is also the possibility of creating a big trade exception (10.45 mil) if they waive Pierce and make the big deal with Lee/Butler.

CelticFaninLBC · Post #1508 » by **CelticFaninLBC** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:35 am

sully00 wrote:I have been looking at the salary numbers and I think what they are kicking around is a whether they do KG/Terry for Jordan/Green or Summers or whether they do KG/Terry/Lee for Jordan/Butler. Ainge saves more money this year with keeping Lee and Butler out of it but more long term if they are in. There is also the possibility of creating a big trade exception (10.45 mil) if they waive Pierce and make the big deal with Lee/Butler.

How do they create this 10.45 mil trade exception?

StojkoVrankovic · RIP texas celtic, 12/10/14 - 12/10/14

sully00 wrote:I have been looking at the salary numbers and I think what they are kicking around is a whether they do KG/Terry for Jordan/Green or Summers or whether they do KG/Terry/Lee for Jordan/Butler. Ainge saves more money this year with keeping Lee and Butler out of it but more long term if they are in. There is also the possibility of creating a big trade exception (10.45 mil) if they waive Pierce and make the big deal with Lee/Butler.

Latest Woj article says Clippers do not want to budge on Jordan+1 pick, do not want to include additional 1st rounder

Post #1510 » by **Celtics_Champs** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:37 am

I know it's been answered in one of the 100 pages here, but if we dump Garnett and Terry's salaries and bring back Jordan and picks, could we afford Jefferson? Am I crazy to think PP may stay his last season if we were to bring back the old crew?

Justin33 · Post #1511 » by **Justin33** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:38 am

sully00 wrote:I have been looking at the salary numbers and I think what they are kicking around is a whether they do KG/Terry for Jordan/Green or Summers or whether they do KG/Terry/Lee for Jordan/Butler. Ainge saves more money this year with keeping Lee and Butler out of it but more long term if they are in. There is also the possibility of creating a big trade exception (10.45 mil) if they waive Pierce and make the big deal with Lee/Butler.

I maybe misreading this but how do they get a trade exception by waiving pierce

leper-con · Post #1512 » by **leper-con** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:39 am

Banks2Pierce wrote:Offer's down to Jordan and 2 first rounders. Yikes.

Where are you hearing this from?

Justin33 · Post #1513 » by **Justin33** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:41 am

Celtics_Champs wrote:I know it's been answered in one of the 100 pages here, but if we dump Garnett and Terry's salaries and bring back Jordan and picks, could we afford Jefferson? Am I crazy to think PP may stay his last season if we were to bring back the old crew?

Celtics are way over the cap with or without this trade or waving Pierce but a s&t might work

tombattor · Post #1514 » by **tombattor** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:41 am

Banks2Pierce wrote:Offer's down to Jordan and 2 first rounders. Yikes.

Hopefully they'll take a bad contract too. Those picks will be in the 20s.

CelticFaninLBC · Post #1515 » by **CelticFaninLBC** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:41 am

StojkoVrankovic wrote:
sully00 wrote:I have been looking at the salary numbers and I think what they are kicking around is a whether they do KG/Terry for Jordan/Green or Summers or whether they do KG/Terry/Lee for Jordan/Butler. Ainge saves more money this year with keeping Lee and Butler out of it but more long term if they are in. There is also the possibility of creating a big trade exception (10.45 mil) if they waive Pierce and make the big deal with Lee/Butler.

Latest Woj article says Clippers do not want to budge on Jordan+1 pick, do not want to include additional 1st rounder

I'm assuming they want to hold onto Butler, so they can move Butler and Bledsoe to Orlando for Affalo.

Post #1516 » by **Celtics_Champs** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:45 am

Justin33 wrote:
Celtics_Champs wrote:I know it's been answered in one of the 100 pages here, but if we dump Garnett and Terry's salaries and bring back Jordan and picks, could we afford Jefferson? Am I crazy to think PP may stay his last season if we were to bring back the old crew?

Celtics are way over the cap with or without this trade or waving Pierce but a s&t might work

Dont get me wrong i loved the 07 trades and would do it over and over again, but for some reason I've always had a chubby dream that once the big three era was over, Jefferson would come back and help us win a title with Rondo and a pierce on his last legs. Though things change since perk, TA and now doc are all gone.

StojkoVrankovic · RIP texas celtic, 12/10/14 - 12/10/14

CelticFaninLBC wrote:
StojkoVrankovic wrote:
sully00 wrote:I have been looking at the salary numbers and I think what they are kicking around is a whether they do KG/Terry for Jordan/Green or Summers or whether they do KG/Terry/Lee for Jordan/Butler. Ainge saves more money this year with keeping Lee and Butler out of it but more long term if they are in. There is also the possibility of creating a big trade exception (10.45 mil) if they waive Pierce and make the big deal with Lee/Butler.

Latest Woj article says Clippers do not want to budge on Jordan+1 pick, do not want to include additional 1st rounder

I'm assuming they want to hold onto Butler, so they can move Butler and Bledsoe to Orlando for Affalo.

This new package is garbage

KG for Jordan and we get a pick for our coach and a whole lot of tampering.

Embarrassing

CelticFaninLBC · Post #1518 » by **CelticFaninLBC** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:47 am

StojkoVrankovic wrote:
CelticFaninLBC wrote:
StojkoVrankovic wrote:Latest Woj article says Clippers do not want to budge on Jordan+1 pick, do not want to include additional 1st rounder

I'm assuming they want to hold onto Butler, so they can move Butler and Bledsoe to Orlando for Affalo.

This new package is garbage

KG for Jordan and we get a pick for our coach and a whole lot of tampering.

Embarrasing

Would prefer Ainge walks away... I mean they're basically getting Pierce too for $5 million...

Post #1519 » by **Celtics_Champs** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:48 am

We all know what the clippers viewpoint on this is, little as possible. I wonder what's holding Ainge up. Has he given up all hope on Bledsoe? Is he settling for picks? Does he want terry and lee to be included?

I for one hope he hasn't given up on Bledsoe.

Post #1520 » by **sully00** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:48 am

165bows wrote:Sully of other cap oriented folks, if you could answer/clarify this it would be appreciated.

I think there is a major cap benefit that hasn't been mentioned regarding Bledsoe vs Jordan. Jordan makes a lot more, we get that. But after next year, Bledsoe is a RFA with a small cap hold. Bradley is the same. So between those two and our other young core players, Green, Rondo and Sully, there could potentially be significant cap space. Cap space that could be used for a legitimate talent, then the two guards re-signed to generous deals with Bird rights.

If Jordan is in place instead of Bledsoe, he eats up a bunch of that space. So he can be used in a sign and trade, but then he's gone as any asset, and the team is dependent on who wants to take him or other salaries. Exactly the problem we have now. With Bledsoe, you keep the asset AND can control the signing process because there is actual cap space.

So some of this is obvious, but I think the specific situation next year makes it a bigger distinction than the basics that have been discussed so far.

Bledsoe's cap hold in his RFA year will be about 6.5 mil.

I think the issue with Bledsoe is that he is involved in other trade talks.