Official Draft Thread 2015-16

[Writebloc]

They ran an interesting fact during LSU's game. Three players have been drafted #1 overall with no NCAA tournament experience, including the mythical LaRue Martin. That's at least somewhat sobering.

I'm taking Ingram. Danny has been all about Duke of late (Winslow, Okafor) and I suspect that's where he's thinking with the top pick.

Ingram does seem to have shades of Durant 2.0. Seems blasphemous to write, but seems like a killer like the Durantula.

I just can't talk myself into Poetl am I doing him a disservice?

[lon3lytoaster]

They ran an interesting fact during LSU's game. Three players have been drafted #1 overall with no NCAA tournament experience, including the mythical LaRue Martin. That's at least somewhat sobering.

I'm taking Ingram. Danny has been all about Duke of late (Winslow, Okafor) and I suspect that's where he's thinking with the top pick.

Ingram does seem to have shades of Durant 2.0. Seems blasphemous to write, but seems like a killer like the Durantula.

I just can't talk myself into Poetl am I doing him a disservice?

Still haven't seen a ton of Poeltl but I got an Asik vibe. Maybe less inept offensively.

Definitely on the Ingram or bust train though.

[Writebloc]

Caught up on Dunn and Ellenson last night.

Dunn looks like a stud, which could go two ways, one how do the Sixes pass on him if they for some reason fall to 3, but on the other hand how do we pass on him since he is clearly BPA?

Then Ellenson, was it me or was he more enticing than Bender. Bender looks frail and he seems as Frischella once said he seems "two years away from being two years away." The strange thing with Bender was I was most impressed with his defense. Ellenson seemed more fiery and his body seemed NBA ready.

[Celtsfan1980]

he attacks the rim and plays SF, two things we need.

The best Celtic is a small forward.

[brackdan70]

They ran an interesting fact during LSU's game. Three players have been drafted #1 overall with no NCAA tournament experience, including the mythical LaRue Martin. That's at least somewhat sobering.

I'm taking Ingram. Danny has been all about Duke of late (Winslow, Okafor) and I suspect that's where he's thinking with the top pick.

Ingram does seem to have shades of Durant 2.0. Seems blasphemous to write, but seems like a killer like the Durantula.

I just can't talk myself into Poetl am I doing him a disservice?

I like Poeltl as an NBA contributor, but I don't think he has star potential or maybe not even starter potential. Wouldn't love him with a top 5 pick, but maybe a little later.

[Gomes3PC]

he attacks the rim and plays SF, two things we need.

The best Celtic is a small forward.

Crowder spends approximately 20% of his time at PF, and only plays 32 MPG, so he's at SF 26 MPG. That leaves 22 MPG where we're gap-filling with Evan Turner or going super small-ball with Smart at SF. Long-term, we have a need for a second wing who can soak up 20 MPG behind Crowder. Maybe that is James Young, but I'm not remotely sold on him.

[Writebloc]

Simmons not starting due to academic issues? The kid is at LSU right? When they start focusing on academics?

[No-Man]

My top players by position when it comes to guys I'd consider possible 1st rounders as of now, of course there are some guys that I am just projecting to not declare so that's why they are not there, I am using Stevens positions that actually simplify things.

BH

Kris Dunn
Wade Baldwin IV
Melo Trimble
Demetrius Jackson
Tyler Ulis

Wings

Timothé Luwawu-Cabarrot
Furkan Korkmaz
Malik Newman
Jamal Murray
Buddy Hield
Denzel Valentine
Grayson Allen
Patrick McCaw
Isaia Cordinier
Malik Beasley
Caris LeVert
Dwayne Bacon

Swings

Brandon Ingram
Ben Simmons
Jaylen Brown
Juancho Hernangómez
Taurean Prince

Bigs

Dragan Bender
Ivan Rabb
Jakob Poeltl
Damian Jones
Henry Ellenson
Ivica Zubac
Skal Labissiere
Diamond Stone
Domantas Sabonis
Stephen Zimmerman
Robert Carter Jr.
AJ Hammons
Petr Cornelie

[Edug27]

They ran an interesting fact during LSU's game. Three players have been drafted #1 overall with no NCAA tournament experience, including the mythical LaRue Martin. That's at least somewhat sobering.

I'm taking Ingram. Danny has been all about Duke of late (Winslow, Okafor) and I suspect that's where he's thinking with the top pick.

Only if LSU had a Grayson Allen to put up 20+ points every night and hit the clutch shots...

[ddb]

Caught up on Dunn and Ellenson last night.

Dunn looks like a stud, which could go two ways, one how do the Sixes pass on him if they for some reason fall to 3, but on the other hand how do we pass on him since he is clearly BPA?

Then Ellenson, was it me or was he more enticing than Bender. Bender looks frail and he seems as Frischella once said he seems "two years away from being two years away." The strange thing with Bender was I was most impressed with his defense. Ellenson seemed more fiery and his body seemed NBA ready.

Ainge would probably trade #3 if it gets to that point. If he stays in and Dunn is BPA, then you draft Dunn and figure it out later

[ddb]

I hope we get Ingram.

I hope Ainge gets #1 and trades it in a mega deal

[Andrew McCeltic]

Scenario:

Lakers pick 1, take Simmons.
Sixers pick 2, take Ingram.
We try desperately to trade the third pick (Dunn) or the fourth (Bender) for Okafor or Noel or Love or Cousins..

[darrendaye]

Spoiler:

[quote="Fischella"]My top players by position when it comes to guys I'd consider possible 1st rounders as of now, of course there are some guys that I am just projecting to not declare so that's why they are not there, I am using Stevens positions that actually simplify things.

BH

Kris Dunn
Wade Baldwin IV
Melo Trimble
Demetrius Jackson
Tyler Ulis

Wings

Timothé Luwawu-Cabarrot
Furkan Korkmaz
Malik Newman
Jamal Murray
Buddy Hield
Denzel Valentine
Grayson Allen
Patrick McCaw
Isaia Cordinier
Malik Beasley
Caris LeVert
Dwayne Bacon

Swings

Brandon Ingram
Ben Simmons
Jaylen Brown
Juancho Hernangómez
Taurean Prince

Bigs

Dragan Bender
Ivan Rabb
Jakob Poeltl
Damian Jones
Henry Ellenson
Ivica Zubac
Skal Labissiere
Diamond Stone
Domantas Sabonis
Stephen Zimmerman
Robert Carter Jr.
AJ Hammons
Petr Cornelie[/quote

]

No Jay Felder?

[No-Man]

No Kay Felder?

Not in the top35 nope.

[Writebloc]

My top players by position when it comes to guys I'd consider possible 1st rounders as of now, of course there are some guys that I am just projecting to not declare so that's why they are not there, I am using Stevens positions that actually simplify things.

BH

Kris Dunn
Wade Baldwin IV
Melo Trimble
Demetrius Jackson
Tyler Ulis

Wings

Timothé Luwawu-Cabarrot
Furkan Korkmaz
Malik Newman
Jamal Murray
Buddy Hield
Denzel Valentine
Grayson Allen
Patrick McCaw
Isaia Cordinier
Malik Beasley
Caris LeVert
Dwayne Bacon

Swings

Brandon Ingram
Ben Simmons
Jaylen Brown
Juancho Hernangómez
Taurean Prince

Bigs

Dragan Bender
Ivan Rabb
Jakob Poeltl
Damian Jones
Henry Ellenson
Ivica Zubac
Skal Labissiere
Diamond Stone
Domantas Sabonis
Stephen Zimmerman
Robert Carter Jr.
AJ Hammons
Petr Cornelie

Why so high on Bender? Measurables? Doesn't seem like he has much playing time to match the hype? All speculation with him it would seem. Scouts had a better handle on both Porzingis and Herzonja by this time last year.

[Writebloc]

Sign me up as Jaylen Brown believer.

[Murta]

Why don't people question Simmons' wingspan and potential post scoring ability in the NBA? He's 6' 10" with a 6'10" to 7 ft wingspan depending on where the measurement has been done. Randle was extensively killed by the fans for his short arms, yet nobody uttered a word about Simmons. His standing reach is probably similar to Randle's (JR: NBA combine and Nike Hoop same number 8' 9.5") because I flat out don't believe 9' 0.5" from LSU combine when his Nike Hoop Summit reach was 8' 7".

Popular comp for him, Lamar Odom, has a 7' 4" wingspan and there isn't any wingspan data for Magic.

Positive examples with 7ft wingspan are Blake Griffin and LeBron James who have standing reaches of 8' 9" and 8' 10" respectively. But both of them are top 1% athletes in the NBA. So a lot of Simmons's fate could ultimately be determined how athletic he is.

Draymond Green has a bit larger wingspan but you can also add him to positive examples with the annotation that he impacts the game as a star in a not-star role. Simmons would do well in that role, except for the defense, of course, but I doubt he would be humble enough to accept it.

[ddb]

Scenario:

Lakers pick 1, take Simmons.
Sixers pick 2, take Ingram.
We try desperately to trade the third pick (Dunn) or the fourth (Bender) for Okafor or Noel or Love or Cousins..

I dont think any of those names are coming here. The Love train is leaving the station...Danny isn't paying a premium for Love. Wanted love if he could get him at a discount via 3-team deal leading up to the deadline. Had conversations that didn't get too far. Love just isn't the final piece that Ainge thought he might be...There are bigger fish to fry now. Only way Love comes to Boston is if Ainge finds the right deal....right deal would be no Smart, No BK pick. No Crowder. No Thomas. So that trade has become unlikely...the deadline was sorta Danny's last effort...once he realized the price was the BK pick and others, he said forget it.

Ainge wants Durant via Free Agency. That's his new "KG". I would look for a pretty significant trade on or around draft day involving the BK pick and others. I'm not exactly sure who that "Ray Allen" would be, but Ainge has time to let the market settle and figure it out. Potential guys to look out for based on simple calculations are Blake, Boogie, Butler. Maybe Okafor is involved, but as a 3-team swap sending Okafor elsewhere with the pick and package going to Philly and the BIg name going to Boston.

If we land the #1 or #2 pick....All bets are off. Ainge could quickly fall in love with Simmons or Ingram to the point where he thinks it's worth being a little more patient. Also, the long-shot possibility that would at least be within sight if we land a top 2 pick is Anthony Davis... Danny could offer a "Hershal Walker" type package where he basically sends all the picks to the Pelies. Still a long shot.

[Edug27]

Scenario:

Lakers pick 1, take Simmons.
Sixers pick 2, take Ingram.
We try desperately to trade the third pick (Dunn) or the fourth (Bender) for Okafor or Noel or Love or Cousins..

I dont think any of those names are coming here. The Love train is leaving the station...Danny isn't paying a premium for Love. Wanted love if he could get him at a discount via 3-team deal leading up to the deadline. Had conversations that didn't get too far. Love just isn't the final piece that Ainge thought he might be...There are bigger fish to fry now. Only way Love comes to Boston is if Ainge finds the right deal....right deal would be no Smart, No BK pick. No Crowder. No Thomas. So that trade has become unlikely...the deadline was sorta Danny's last effort...once he realized the price was the BK pick and others, he said forget it.

Ainge wants Durant via Free Agency. That's his new "KG". I would look for a pretty significant trade on or around draft day involving the BK pick and others. I'm not exactly sure who that "Ray Allen" would be, but Ainge has time to let the market settle and figure it out. Potential guys to look out for based on simple calculations are Blake, Boogie, Butler. Maybe Okafor is involved, but as a 3-team swap sending Okafor elsewhere with the pick and package going to Philly and the BIg name going to Boston.

If we land the #1 or #2 pick....All bets are off. Ainge could quickly fall in love with Simmons or Ingram to the point where he thinks it's worth being a little more patient. Also, the long-shot possibility that would at least be within sight if we land a top 2 pick is Anthony Davis... Danny could offer a "Hershal Walker" type package where he basically sends all the picks to the Pelies. Still a long shot.

I hate hearing about the "Ray Allen move" to set up Danny acquiring the KG type player. There are different ways to rebuild. And unfortunately, it will have to be through the draft. AD and Blake aren't being traded here. The first disgruntled star, or aging star whos team is ready to rebuild, Danny will be all over. Blake and AD really do not fit those scenarios.

[ddb]

Scenario:

Lakers pick 1, take Simmons.
Sixers pick 2, take Ingram.
We try desperately to trade the third pick (Dunn) or the fourth (Bender) for Okafor or Noel or Love or Cousins..

I dont think any of those names are coming here. The Love train is leaving the station...Danny isn't paying a premium for Love. Wanted love if he could get him at a discount via 3-team deal leading up to the deadline. Had conversations that didn't get too far. Love just isn't the final piece that Ainge thought he might be...There are bigger fish to fry now. Only way Love comes to Boston is if Ainge finds the right deal....right deal would be no Smart, No BK pick. No Crowder. No Thomas. So that trade has become unlikely...the deadline was sorta Danny's last effort...once he realized the price was the BK pick and others, he said forget it.

Ainge wants Durant via Free Agency. That's his new "KG". I would look for a pretty significant trade on or around draft day involving the BK pick and others. I'm not exactly sure who that "Ray Allen" would be, but Ainge has time to let the market settle and figure it out. Potential guys to look out for based on simple calculations are Blake, Boogie, Butler. Maybe Okafor is involved, but as a 3-team swap sending Okafor elsewhere with the pick and package going to Philly and the BIg name going to Boston.

If we land the #1 or #2 pick....All bets are off. Ainge could quickly fall in love with Simmons or Ingram to the point where he thinks it's worth being a little more patient. Also, the long-shot possibility that would at least be within sight if we land a top 2 pick is Anthony Davis... Danny could offer a "Hershal Walker" type package where he basically sends all the picks to the Pelies. Still a long shot.

I hate hearing about the "Ray Allen move" to set up Danny acquiring the KG type player. There are different ways to rebuild. And unfortunately, it will have to be through the draft. AD and Blake aren't being traded here. The first disgruntled star, or aging star whos team is ready to rebuild, Danny will be all over. Blake and AD really do not fit those scenarios.

I think there's probably more legs to Danny acquiring a superstar then you think. Many of us optimistic, knowledgeable fans were HOPING that they would be able to pull off a blockbuster by now, but the reality of the situation is that Danny hasn't found the right deal yet. you can't rush it...this offseason leading up to the draft is the moment where Danny will have an insane amount of ammunition. more then ever before. Even more then when he had Big Al, Gerald Green and the #5 pick. Every rebuild is different, including this one.....but the rebuild is very likely going to include a major trade and spending in free agency.