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Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money"

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Re: Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money" 

Post#1501 » by BigTrade92 » Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:54 pm

All I want to know is: how is A. Sherrod Blakely still employed, and what the hell do I have to do to get his position?

Because holy crap, a blind squirrel with a learning disability and a peg leg could do a better job than he has...
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Re: Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money" 

Post#1502 » by Homerclease » Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:54 pm

Gant wrote:Smart's agent:

“The fans should understand that Marcus is not asking for a crazy amount,” said Walters.


http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/celtics/2018/07/all_eyes_on_marcus_smart_as_celts_guard_meets_with_other_teams

Lol just pathetic now. Smart should can this guy ASAP
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Re: Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money" 

Post#1503 » by soxfan2003 » Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:54 pm

Homerclease wrote:
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Homerclease wrote:Didn’t stop us from dumping Bradley. And Smart has off court issues we all know about. He cost himself millions punching a picture frame or whatever lame excuse it was


You'd think Brad might consider Brown on Thompson and Smart on Curry to be beneficial when Kyrie is not in the game.

Well in the finals I expect Brown and Kyrie to be up near 40 minutes a night leaving Smarts role largely trivial. He’s of course useful but not worth breaking the bank for, nor the end of the world if he walks. He’s a 7th man on a title squad at best


Smart should be considered a 6th man... Smart is better than many starter on championship teams but Warriors have raised the bar. Smart played major minutes on a team that was one game away from the NBA finals this year despite not having 2 stars and another rotation player. Yes, Cavs not that good but still.

Celtics titles chances go down significantly next year without Smart. I'd even say they go in the toilet if a replacement is not found and Warriors end up in the finals. Yes, Celtics would still be favored to face the Warriors but I am not optimistic of Boston beating them without Smart and without Ainge making a trade for a replacement.

Not going to beat the GSW by outscoring them. Not going to beat them by having Kyrie just focus on offense for 40 MPG. Kyrie/Brown everyone else needs to be going _all out_ like the Spurs kind of did when beating the Heat and beat them with depth/physicality/mental breakdowns. Outside of players like a fairly young Michael Jordan's can't expect players to truly give max effort for 40 MPG even in the NBA finals so if possible you are better off lower the minutes when you stars(Kyrie/Hayward/Horford/Tatum) are truly not top tier. Chasing Curry around is exhausting.

If if just becomes a game of horse between the starting units, Golden State(Curry/Klay/KD) beats the Celtics 95 out of 100 times.

Celtics need to within the rules muck the game up a bit. Smart can be a huge part of that if he is healthy and in shape.
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Re: Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money" 

Post#1504 » by CeltsfanSinceBirth » Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:01 pm

I got a feeling that Smart leaves Vegas a Celtic again. He takes the QO or he swallows his pride and takes Ainge's new offer. Either way, the man just wants this thing settled before he goes back home to care for his mom.
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Re: Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money" 

Post#1505 » by Andrew McCeltic » Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:13 pm

4/36, 3/30, 2/20?
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Re: Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money" 

Post#1506 » by Feed Your Head » Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:16 pm

I said it after the season ended as my official prediction so ill stick to it, he signs for 4/44.
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Re: Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money" 

Post#1507 » by grindtime22 » Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:16 pm

If we offer him 4/44, I think it would be pretty difficult to turn down a second time. If he takes that QO, he is going to have to take a risk that he doesn't get injured and then lands a 13 a year deal next year to make up the difference.

He has a pretty good chance to land that deal next year IF he stays healthy and plays well. Does he really want to risk that again though? He is already coming off an injury. Is his best case scenario going to be worth THAT much more next offseason?

If everything goes perfect next year somebody might be willing to give a 4/60 deal that gives him 66 over 5 years. Even then, that last year of compensation should be in his absolute prime, so he could probably make up most of that difference.
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Re: Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money" 

Post#1508 » by Ben-N1ce » Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:20 pm

soxfan2003 wrote:
Homerclease wrote:
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You'd think Brad might consider Brown on Thompson and Smart on Curry to be beneficial when Kyrie is not in the game.

Well in the finals I expect Brown and Kyrie to be up near 40 minutes a night leaving Smarts role largely trivial. He’s of course useful but not worth breaking the bank for, nor the end of the world if he walks. He’s a 7th man on a title squad at best


Smart should be considered a 6th man... Smart is better than many starter on championship teams but Warriors have raised the bar. Smart played major minutes on a team that was one game away from the NBA finals this year despite not having 2 stars and another rotation player. Yes, Cavs not that good but still.

Celtics titles chances go down significantly next year without Smart. I'd even say they go in the toilet if a replacement is not found and Warriors end up in the finals. Yes, Celtics would still be favored to face the Warriors but I am not optimistic of Boston beating them without Smart and without Ainge making a trade for a replacement.

Not going to beat the GSW by outscoring them. Not going to beat them by having Kyrie just focus on offense for 40 MPG. Kyrie/Brown everyone else needs to be going _all out_ like the Spurs kind of did when beating the Heat and beat them with depth/physicality/mental breakdowns. Outside of players like a fairly young Michael Jordan's can't expect players to truly give max effort for 40 MPG even in the NBA finals so if possible you are better off lower the minutes when you stars(Kyrie/Hayward/Horford/Tatum) are truly not top tier. Chasing Curry around is exhausting.

If if just becomes a game of horse between the starting units, Golden State(Curry/Klay/KD) beats the Celtics 95 out of 100 times.

Celtics need to within the rules muck the game up a bit. Smart can be a huge part of that if he is healthy and in shape.


They won't beat GS if they don't outscore them either..
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Post#1509 » by Celtics_History_Lesson » Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:26 pm

Andrew McCeltic wrote:4/36, 3/30, 2/20?



They are his field goals made, and attempts?



"Marcus Smart Open To Deal Worth Less Than $15M Per Season"

This is hilarious. It's like some guy in Honduras being happy with marrying someone who is not a supermodel, or someone in Eritrea being open to purchasing an automobile that isn't a Ferrari, or Seattle being open to accepting a relocated Raptors team instead of starting again with a real NBA team.


Can't shoot.

29.3% from 3.

36% from the field.


Ugly career numbers. His shot attempts go up every season.


It's like a group of people being held hostage by someone holding a paper plate. How can Smart "negotiate" when he is statistically one of the worst to ever play the game when it comes to shooting the ball.

Last season, his steals took a sudden drop, his turnovers went up. His free throw numbers went down hard.


If his defense is very good and he only allows 104 points, but then only gets 97 per 100 possessions, that seems really bad.

If his Box Plus/Minus is now the worst of his career, and in the negative, really bad.



He has great defensive anticipation, reflexes, speed, some strength, but his bricking causes the team to need big defensive plays.


From his draft, the better players for win shares for playing time:

Yes, at least he is better than Andrew Wiggins who doesn't care about the game or his team.

Nikola Jokic
Clint Capela
Dwight Powell
Joel Embiid
Kyle Anderson
Spencer Dinwiddie
Rodney Hood
Aaron Gordon
T.J. Warren
Gary Harris
Jabari Parker
Julius Randle
Dario Saric
Jusuf Nurkic
Jerami Grant
Glenn Robinson III
Marcus Smart



That's a swell list. Guess who is last.

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Re: Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money" 

Post#1510 » by Dave_From_NB » Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:27 pm

I'm not crazy about what is reported as a lack of communication between Ainge and Smart's team. I would have thought a quick "Marcus, I think your expectations for compensation are high, so we're going to give you some time to explore the market a bit before we get engaged on contract discussions" by Ainge would have been appropriate.
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Post#1511 » by KGboss » Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:30 pm

Dave_From_NB wrote:I'm not crazy about what is reported as a lack of communication between Ainge and Smart's team. I would have thought a quick "Marcus, I think your expectations for compensation are high, so we're going to give you some time to explore the market a bit before we get engaged on contract discussions" by Ainge would have been appropriate.
How do you know for sure that didnt happen?

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Re: Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money" 

Post#1512 » by Celts17Pride » Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:30 pm

Not trying to pile on at this point but....

Marcus Smart and his team are giving other guys the blueprint on how not to handle RFA. Starting to
feel sorry for him.
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Re: Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money" 

Post#1513 » by VeryMuchWoke » Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:33 pm

Homerclease wrote:
Gant wrote:Smart's agent:

“The fans should understand that Marcus is not asking for a crazy amount,” said Walters.


http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/celtics/2018/07/all_eyes_on_marcus_smart_as_celts_guard_meets_with_other_teams

Lol just pathetic now. Smart should can this guy ASAP


I think Happy played hardball with Smart's extension, because those negotiations came a year after he got canned by Nerlens Noel for getting him a great offer (which wasn't high enough for Nerlens). I'm guessing, instead of taking the same tact, and explaining to Smart that "this is a fair extension and the same money may not be there next summer" he just told Smart what he wanted to hear (ie "You're worth much more than that").

Now that's all coming home to roost and Smart will be lucky to replicate the extension offer, but Happy may retain Smart, unlike Nerlens. Sometimes doing the best job possible for your client isn't what is rewarded.

As far as the result goes: Nothing between 2/18 and 4/50 would surprise me, but I'm expecting between 4/40 and 4/44.
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Re: Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money" 

Post#1514 » by Celts17Pride » Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:33 pm

The Comedian wrote:I said it after the season ended as my official prediction so ill stick to it, he signs for 4/44.

There is no way Ainge is giving that now with no competition. Not a chance!

Best Smart can hope for in my opinion is 2 years and $20 million. Don’t know if Ainge would go that far.

Again, Ainge and the Celtics have no competition. Zero!
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Post#1515 » by djFan71 » Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:33 pm

Homerclease wrote:
Gant wrote:Smart's agent:

“The fans should understand that Marcus is not asking for a crazy amount,” said Walters.


http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/celtics/2018/07/all_eyes_on_marcus_smart_as_celts_guard_meets_with_other_teams

Lol just pathetic now. Smart should can this guy ASAP

I can't get anywhere negotiating a crazy deal with Danny. Let's try the media.
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Post#1516 » by Dave_From_NB » Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:34 pm

KGboss wrote:
Dave_From_NB wrote:I'm not crazy about what is reported as a lack of communication between Ainge and Smart's team. I would have thought a quick "Marcus, I think your expectations for compensation are high, so we're going to give you some time to explore the market a bit before we get engaged on contract discussions" by Ainge would have been appropriate.
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It's why I said "reported" rather than being definitive that it didn't happen...
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Re: Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money" 

Post#1517 » by Feed Your Head » Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:44 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
The Comedian wrote:I said it after the season ended as my official prediction so ill stick to it, he signs for 4/44.

There is no way Ainge is giving that now with no competition. Not a chance!

Best Smart can hope for in my opinion is 2 years and $20 million. Don’t know if Ainge would go that far.

Again, Ainge and the Celtics have no competition. Zero!


You also said there was no way Danny would trade Avery man. Reload said earlier they wont lowball Marcus, 4/40 or 44 is a good deal for both sides. He gets stability, they get a deal that in two years is the equivalent of 9 million now, and is extremely tradeable if it comes to it.
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Re: Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money" 

Post#1518 » by Celts17Pride » Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:46 pm

The Comedian wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:
The Comedian wrote:I said it after the season ended as my official prediction so ill stick to it, he signs for 4/44.

There is no way Ainge is giving that now with no competition. Not a chance!

Best Smart can hope for in my opinion is 2 years and $20 million. Don’t know if Ainge would go that far.

Again, Ainge and the Celtics have no competition. Zero!


You also said there was no way Danny would trade Avery man. Reload said earlier they wont lowball Marcus, 4/40 or 44 is a good deal for both sides. He gets stability, they get a deal that in two years is the equivalent of 9 million now, and is extremely tradeable if it comes to it.

You will see. Ainge doesn’t bid against himself.

Celtics want Smart to take the QO
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Post#1519 » by Feed Your Head » Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:48 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
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Celts17Pride wrote:There is no way Ainge is giving that now with no competition. Not a chance!

Best Smart can hope for in my opinion is 2 years and $20 million. Don’t know if Ainge would go that far.

Again, Ainge and the Celtics have no competition. Zero!


You also said there was no way Danny would trade Avery man. Reload said earlier they wont lowball Marcus, 4/40 or 44 is a good deal for both sides. He gets stability, they get a deal that in two years is the equivalent of 9 million now, and is extremely tradeable if it comes to it.

You will see. Ainge doesn’t bid against himself


Exactly, hence why they compromise on 4/44, or 40. I know it pains you that Marcus will be around for awhile, it's okay buddy.
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Re: Jackie Mac on Marcus Smart's RFA--"He's going for the money" 

Post#1520 » by Celts17Pride » Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:49 pm

The Comedian wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:
The Comedian wrote:
You also said there was no way Danny would trade Avery man. Reload said earlier they wont lowball Marcus, 4/40 or 44 is a good deal for both sides. He gets stability, they get a deal that in two years is the equivalent of 9 million now, and is extremely tradeable if it comes to it.

You will see. Ainge doesn’t bid against himself


Exactly, hence why they compromise on 4/44, or 40. I know it pains you that Marcus will be around for awhile, it's okay buddy.

Who doesn’t love Smart shooting 4 for 15 when Jayson Tatum has 5 shot attempts?

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