Official Celtics 2020-21 Regular Season Thread

JediMasterRevan · Post #1501 » by **JediMasterRevan** » Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:47 am

Man, team meeds marcus back bad.

zoyathedestroya · Post #1502 » by **zoyathedestroya** » Thu Feb 18, 2021 12:10 pm

I blame no one but I also blame everyone for this mess of a season.

The_Ghost_of_JB · Post #1503 » by **The_Ghost_of_JB** » Thu Feb 18, 2021 1:06 pm

Green isn't an NBA player and Semi has turned from not and NBA player to a guy that can be the 7th or 8th guy off the bench and both of these guys are starting. People were yelling about Nesmith not playing and he played 21 minutes last night. I suppose he could have played Edwards over Teague but I doubt that would have made a difference as both guys are not good players.

By the way he is also he is missing 3 starters. (But lets be honest even when Smart, Theis and Walker are back this team may still struggle to play 500 ball) Stevens has his issues but at this point this is on Ainge.

This team was 8-3 to start the season (on a very easy schedule with no Walker as well) is now 14-14 and has a record of 5-11 since the schedule become tougher. Team is poorly constructed and the Celtics have an Ainge problem not a Stevens problem.

Fierce1 · Post #1504 » by **Fierce1** » Thu Feb 18, 2021 2:08 pm

The_Ghost_of_JB wrote:Green isn't an NBA player and Semi has turned from not and NBA player to a guy that can be the 7th or 8th guy off the bench and both of these guys are starting. People were yelling about Nesmith not playing and he played 21 minutes last night. I suppose he could have played Edwards over Teague but I doubt that would have made a difference as both guys are not good players.

By the way he is also he is missing 3 starters. (But lets be honest even when Smart, Theis and Walker are back this team may still struggle to play 500 ball) Stevens has his issues but at this point this is on Ainge.

This team was 8-3 to start the season (on a very easy schedule with no Walker as well) is now 14-14 and has a record of 5-11 since the schedule become tougher. Team is poorly constructed and the Celtics have an Ainge problem not a Stevens problem.

Agree!

This is an Ainge problem.

Celts reached the east finals last season and they were coached by Brad.

All the starters from last season's playoff team are also the starters this season.

The main problem is losing Hayward and not replacing Hayward.

That's on Ainge.

robdog_5 · Post #1505 » by **robdog_5** » Thu Feb 18, 2021 2:25 pm

Why I was mad in the off season is this season you knew we would have moments where guys would miss due to covid or protocols on top of injuries. Yet Danny decided to go into the season with no roster depth.

Fierce1 · Post #1506 » by **Fierce1** » Thu Feb 18, 2021 2:38 pm

robdog_5 wrote:Why I was mad in the off season is this season you knew we would have moments where guys would miss due to covid or protocols on top of injuries. Yet Danny decided to go into the season with no roster depth.

To Ainge's credit, in one interview he was asked what's next for this Celtics team, Ainge said what's next is player development.

We're seeing player development this season and it's frustrating to watch.

Celts could've won in San Antonio, but Brad opted to experiment and use 13 players in that game.

This season Brad is giving more minutes to guys like Semi, Grant, Javonte, Carsen, and Teague.

It's very obvious the Celtics are showcasing players to increase their trade value.

The good news is the trade deadline is weeks away and Ainge can correct the mistake of having no depth.

Fierce1 · Post #1507 » by **Fierce1** » Thu Feb 18, 2021 2:42 pm

Read on Twitter

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Post #1508 » by **Parliament10** » Thu Feb 18, 2021 3:38 pm

Fierce1 wrote:

Read on Twitter
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Well Do Something about it, Danny.

Bill Lumbergh · Post #1509 » by **Bill Lumbergh** » Thu Feb 18, 2021 4:04 pm

This team is starting to take on an early 2000s feel, in that the huge cache of draft capital has been burned up with only Jayson, Jaylen, and Smart to show for it. Without any more extra picks, and capped out, only the TPE remains to get better, but even that must be accompanied with outgoing picks. Bottom line, Ainge did a great job of acquiring picks, but a poorish job of using them. We were close in 2018, or would have been had not Gordon been injured in the first 5 minutes of the season, and Kyrie not been a complete ass clown (and also injured that year), so there was some misfortune involved, but there were also many, many wasted picks over the years.

Hate to say it, but I don't see a clear path to becoming a true contender with no extra picks and no cap space. We'd have to get extraordinarily lucky, like plucking a superstar (like a Jokic) with a late pick, and that's very rare. We're looking a bit treadmillish right now.

Fierce1 · Post #1510 » by **Fierce1** » Thu Feb 18, 2021 4:13 pm

NuckyPowell wrote:This team is starting to take on an early 2000s feel, in that the huge cache of draft capital has been burned up with only Jayson, Jaylen, and Smart to show for it. Without any more extra picks, and capped out, only the TPE remains to get better, but even that must be accompanied with outgoing picks. Bottom line, Ainge did a great job of acquiring picks, but a poorish job of using them. We were close in 2018, or would have been had not Gordon been injured in the first 5 minutes of the season, and Kyrie not been a complete ass clown (and also injured that year), so there was some misfortune involved, but there were also many, many wasted picks over the years.

Hate to say it, but I don't see a clear path to becoming a true contender with no extra picks and no cap space. We'd have to get extraordinarily lucky, likely plucking a superstar (like a Jokic) with a late pick, and that's very rare. We're looking a bit treadmillish right now.

Celts have enough star power.

It's the supporting cast that needs to be fixed.

The last time the Celts had 2 players averaging a combined 50 points per game the Celts were in the finals.

What Tatum and Brown are doing this season is unbelievable.
They're making difficult shots on a regular basis.
But it's all for naught when guys like Semi, Grant, and Teague throw the ball away.

JediMasterRevan · Post #1511 » by **JediMasterRevan** » Thu Feb 18, 2021 4:36 pm

Imo this is make or break for danny as a GM.

If he fails to improve the team this season then he needs to go prior wasting the tpe in the offseason

robdog_5 · Post #1512 » by **robdog_5** » Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:11 pm

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Fierce1 wrote:

Read on Twitter
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I think that gives Danny an out to not trade.

Celtics_85 · Post #1513 » by **Celtics_85** » Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:18 pm

We give up way too many easy layups, Williams needs to start. When he was on the floor last night and during the season teams don't go to the rim very much. Time to play this guy Stevens, can't get any worse than the .500 team we are.

Fencer reregistered · Post #1514 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:21 pm

robdog_5 wrote:[streamable][/streamable]
Fierce1 wrote:

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I think that gives Danny an out to not trade.

It also give Brad the OK not to play guys who are short-termers with the team.

That said, what it really does is give guys the OK to kick each other's asses to try to get substantially better.

Celtics_85 · Post #1515 » by **Celtics_85** » Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:41 pm

It is good that Brad is playing guys while we deal with injuries, maybe someone will become consistent and be able to give some minutes later in year. Get healthy, make a move, finish 30-14 over last 44 games ane we will be OK.

Post #1516 » by **darrendaye** » Thu Feb 18, 2021 6:14 pm

NuckyPowell wrote:This team is starting to take on an early 2000s feel, in that the huge cache of draft capital has been burned up with only Jayson, Jaylen, and Smart to show for it. Without any more extra picks, and capped out, only the TPE remains to get better, but even that must be accompanied with outgoing picks. Bottom line, Ainge did a great job of acquiring picks, but a poorish job of using them. We were close in 2018, or would have been had not Gordon been injured in the first 5 minutes of the season, and Kyrie not been a complete ass clown (and also injured that year), so there was some misfortune involved, but there were also many, many wasted picks over the years.

Hate to say it, but I don't see a clear path to becoming a true contender with no extra picks and no cap space. We'd have to get extraordinarily lucky, likely plucking a superstar (like a Jokic) with a late pick, and that's very rare. We're looking a bit treadmillish right now.

Agreed. Not sure why we would expect this team to be a championship caliber team. This was a puncher chance contender with Kyrie, Horford, Hayward, and not quite ready for prime-time Tatum and Brown. Now losing Hayward after Horford and step down from Kyrie to Kemba along with depth pieces Rozier and Morris, a pull back should have been expected. Personally I was anticipating a growing pains season with heavy usage of recent draft picks given a runway to build their value along with more burden on the Jays to play-make and live with the struggles accordingly. Ainge has mismanaged assets over the past two years and, to some degree, the last 3-4. It's going to take a draft hit, as you stated, or a couple of these recent picks to splash and likely be traded, to be a frontrunner for title type team. (Along with continued growth from the Jays).

Fencer reregistered · Post #1517 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Fri Feb 19, 2021 6:48 am

I'm worried by how burnt out Jaylen seems to be feeling. How can he recover from that as the tough season progresses?

Triple7 · Post #1518 » by **Triple7** » Fri Feb 19, 2021 7:28 am

Fencer reregistered wrote:I'm worried by how burnt out Jaylen seems to be feeling. How can he recover from that as the tough season progresses?

At this rate, the J’s frustration would pile up, with the lack of help and decent bench. Lack of proper offensive system to help them score easier. They looked tired and uninspired. In a couple of years, we might end up losing them both.

Fencer reregistered · Post #1519 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Fri Feb 19, 2021 7:40 am

Triple7 wrote:
Fencer reregistered wrote:I'm worried by how burnt out Jaylen seems to be feeling. How can he recover from that as the tough season progresses?

At this rate, the J’s frustration would pile up, with the lack of help and decent bench. Lack of proper offensive system to help them score easier. They looked tired and uninspired. In a couple of years, we might end up losing them both.

Obviously, if team management goes badly over the next few seasons, they'll look to take a hike. But I don't see the point of focusing on that worry now.

Triple7 · Post #1520 » by **Triple7** » Fri Feb 19, 2021 7:48 am

Fencer reregistered wrote:
Triple7 wrote:
Fencer reregistered wrote:I'm worried by how burnt out Jaylen seems to be feeling. How can he recover from that as the tough season progresses?

At this rate, the J’s frustration would pile up, with the lack of help and decent bench. Lack of proper offensive system to help them score easier. They looked tired and uninspired. In a couple of years, we might end up losing them both.

Obviously, if team management goes badly over the next few seasons, they'll look to take a hike. But I don't see the point of focusing on that worry now.

I just can’t see anything good moving forward. Ainge haven’t done a thing the past deadlines to improve this team. I don’t expect him to do something now. I don’t want us to lose, but i think a blow out loss would force Ainge to do something.