Last Train to Celticsville Trade Thread

[GutUNC]

Well I would argue the Kings actually get the worst out of the deal. They send out their two highest percentage catch and shoot players. They surround Ben, a point guard who needs shooters, with a roster whose second and third best C&S 3 shooter shoots 35.1% (Fox) and 31.6% Len.

So I’m not going to argue why you should take it. Only that it’s a better trade for the Celtics than the Fox trade.

My question was what combo of Fox/Hield/Barnes could return from a fourth team if Boston trades Jaylen. If Barnes goes to CHI and we get Patrick Williams, Coby White and a 1st, plus Bagley and Fox... that's a major return. Unrealistic on the Bulls' end but enough to make you think about a reset for Boston. You could cut Philly out in those scenarios, too.

Like, who are the teams linked to those players over the last couple of years? What are the rumors on Fox, Hield, Barnes suitors?

Fox has been off the table so hard to say. Before the season Philly wanted Fox for Simmons

Lakers linked to Hield but opted for Westbrook and have no assets left. Buddy’s contract declines so hard to know what might be out there.

Boston has been linked most strongly to Barnes. Minnesota, Cleveland and Chicago may be options.

But I will reiterate as a partial Boston fan, the player the Celts should target is Haliburton not Fox.

Fox is really more of a 2 guard. Yes he is unstoppable when he wants to be and can take any player off the dribble….. But those aren’t the Celtics issues. They already have Tatum who can get his own shot when needed.

Haliburton fits the Celtics needs like a glove. The Celtics don’t have a good pick and roll point guard to play with Robert Williams or Tatum. Haliburton is very very good in the pick and roll. I grew up watching Stockton and he reminds me of him. A Haliburton/Tatum or Haliburton/Williams pick and roll would be so hard to stop.

When playing off the ball Haliburton gives you the Celtics a high percentage shooter and he plays passing lanes well on defense. To me Hali is the perfect fit for the Celtics. From a Celtics perspective you ought to be asking what it would take to get Haliburton not Fox.

That's just false. Criticize Morey for setting too high a bar if you want, and maybe things change as time goes on, but his leaks have consistently said Fox was not a target and that was re-emphasized as recently as this week.

[Bostondave]

Keep Tatum and Brown together. I hatge this young generation that are so goddamn impatient and want everything to happen now. I'm an oldtimer with not much time and STILL I have more patience than most younger idiots. Stop being so damn impatent and wanting everytbing now instant microwave immediately. I realize it's the time you're born in and what has been done to you with fast twitch everything from videos to music to....every damn thing. It's your generations that have been born and bred with short attention spans and have gotten your basketball knowledge and skill from video games. Give them time to gel and figure out how to play together and we will ahve something special. But not if you want results now immediately hurry up and the attention span that Allah gave a friggin knat or a hummingbird.

[Curmudgeon]

Keep Tatum and Brown together. I hatge this young generation that are so goddamn impatient and want everything to happen now. I'm an oldtimer with not much time and STILL I have more patience than most younger idiots.

I'm an older timer than you and I have no patience at all. You must have #17 engraved on your coffin. I have #6.

[MagicBagley18]

Keep Tatum and Brown together. I hatge this young generation that are so goddamn impatient and want everything to happen now. I'm an oldtimer with not much time and STILL I have more patience than most younger idiots. Stop being so damn impatent and wanting everytbing now instant microwave immediately. I realize it's the time you're born in and what has been done to you with fast twitch everything from videos to music to....every damn thing. It's your generations that have been born and bred with short attention spans and have gotten your basketball knowledge and skill from video games. Give them time to gel and figure out how to play together and we will ahve something special. But not if you want results now immediately hurry up and the attention span that Allah gave a friggin knat or a hummingbird.

Get off my lawn!!

[Shak_Celts]

Keep Tatum and Brown together. I hatge this young generation that are so goddamn impatient and want everything to happen now. I'm an oldtimer with not much time and STILL I have more patience than most younger idiots. Stop being so damn impatent and wanting everytbing now instant microwave immediately. I realize it's the time you're born in and what has been done to you with fast twitch everything from videos to music to....every damn thing. It's your generations that have been born and bred with short attention spans and have gotten your basketball knowledge and skill from video games. Give them time to gel and figure out how to play together and we will ahve something special. But not if you want results now immediately hurry up and the attention span that Allah gave a friggin knat or a hummingbird.

I wanted to like this but dang you went hard at youngins. I'll give you an imaginary half and1!

[Sactowndog]

My question was what combo of Fox/Hield/Barnes could return from a fourth team if Boston trades Jaylen. If Barnes goes to CHI and we get Patrick Williams, Coby White and a 1st, plus Bagley and Fox... that's a major return. Unrealistic on the Bulls' end but enough to make you think about a reset for Boston. You could cut Philly out in those scenarios, too.

Like, who are the teams linked to those players over the last couple of years? What are the rumors on Fox, Hield, Barnes suitors?

Fox has been off the table so hard to say. Before the season Philly wanted Fox for Simmons

Lakers linked to Hield but opted for Westbrook and have no assets left. Buddy’s contract declines so hard to know what might be out there.

Boston has been linked most strongly to Barnes. Minnesota, Cleveland and Chicago may be options.

But I will reiterate as a partial Boston fan, the player the Celts should target is Haliburton not Fox.

Fox is really more of a 2 guard. Yes he is unstoppable when he wants to be and can take any player off the dribble….. But those aren’t the Celtics issues. They already have Tatum who can get his own shot when needed.

Haliburton fits the Celtics needs like a glove. The Celtics don’t have a good pick and roll point guard to play with Robert Williams or Tatum. Haliburton is very very good in the pick and roll. I grew up watching Stockton and he reminds me of him. A Haliburton/Tatum or Haliburton/Williams pick and roll would be so hard to stop.

When playing off the ball Haliburton gives you the Celtics a high percentage shooter and he plays passing lanes well on defense. To me Hali is the perfect fit for the Celtics. From a Celtics perspective you ought to be asking what it would take to get Haliburton not Fox.

That's just false. Criticize Morey for setting too high a bar if you want, and maybe things change as time goes on, but his leaks have consistently said Fox was not a target and that was re-emphasized as recently as this week.

My understanding was it was true and he asked for what I heard. It’s what I heard. Whether you have other more accurate data I can’t say and don’t really care.

[Sactowndog]

My question was what combo of Fox/Hield/Barnes could return from a fourth team if Boston trades Jaylen. If Barnes goes to CHI and we get Patrick Williams, Coby White and a 1st, plus Bagley and Fox... that's a major return. Unrealistic on the Bulls' end but enough to make you think about a reset for Boston. You could cut Philly out in those scenarios, too.

Like, who are the teams linked to those players over the last couple of years? What are the rumors on Fox, Hield, Barnes suitors?

Fox has been off the table so hard to say. Before the season Philly wanted Fox for Simmons

Lakers linked to Hield but opted for Westbrook and have no assets left. Buddy’s contract declines so hard to know what might be out there.

Boston has been linked most strongly to Barnes. Minnesota, Cleveland and Chicago may be options.

But I will reiterate as a partial Boston fan, the player the Celts should target is Haliburton not Fox.

Fox is really more of a 2 guard. Yes he is unstoppable when he wants to be and can take any player off the dribble….. But those aren’t the Celtics issues. They already have Tatum who can get his own shot when needed.

Haliburton fits the Celtics needs like a glove. The Celtics don’t have a good pick and roll point guard to play with Robert Williams or Tatum. Haliburton is very very good in the pick and roll. I grew up watching Stockton and he reminds me of him. A Haliburton/Tatum or Haliburton/Williams pick and roll would be so hard to stop.

When playing off the ball Haliburton gives you the Celtics a high percentage shooter and he plays passing lanes well on defense. To me Hali is the perfect fit for the Celtics. From a Celtics perspective you ought to be asking what it would take to get Haliburton not Fox.

Haliburton is a great fit anywhere. But fit isn't a reason to give away Jaylen for him. So the question is what Barnes could fetch in a three team deal... if it's Jaylen for Hali, Kings 1st this year top 4 protected, whatever Barnes gets from a third team.. the return on HB has to be great. Say, Jaylen to SAC, Barnes to CLE, Hali, Kings 1st, Rubio's expiring and Okoro to Boston.. That's cap flexibility, a good point guard, a so-so prospect, and a decent top 10 draft pick. And even then, all the risk is for the Celtics because Haliburton is the only player in that group without bust potential. That's hard to justify.

Wasn’t really trying to justify. I don’t think the Celtics are giving up Brown and to be candid I’m not sure I would want him.

In my mind, the Jays are a big reason why the Celtics don’t play as a team. This team is nothing like the Celtics in Brads early years who shared the ball and played for each other. Those teams may not have had multi year all-stars but they shared the ball, found each other good shots and played attractive basketball.

The Maine team plays more like those teams than the one in Boston. Seems they are more deserving of the Celtics logo and legacy.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Which team are you thinking of? IT would get fired out of the pick and roll like a pinball, Kyrie was an elite iso scorer notoriously indifferent to playing off the ball or setting up teammates.. even Kemba in his first year was a turn taking guy. What all the more competitive Celtics teams had were experienced veterans - Kyrie, Horford, Hayward, Kemba..

Brown and Tatum have the keys to the car for the first time and it shows. It's a skill/rep issue, "playing as a team" isn't something you can do because you heard a heartfelt speech, offensive chemistry is about talent, system, and attitude in that order.

Defense is a good measure of how a team plays together, and Boston's had top defenses with Brown and Tatum in all but one season under Brad.

[MagicBagley18]

Which team are you thinking of? IT would get fired out of the pick and roll like a pinball, Kyrie was an elite iso scorer notoriously indifferent to playing off the ball or setting up teammates.. even Kemba in his first year was a turn taking guy. What all the more competitive Celtics teams had were experienced veterans - Kyrie, Horford, Hayward, Kemba..

Brown and Tatum have the keys to the car for the first time and it shows. It's a skill/rep issue, "playing as a team" isn't something you can do because you heard a heartfelt speech, offensive chemistry is about talent, system, and attitude in that order.

Defense is a good measure of how a team plays together, and Boston's had top defenses with Brown and Tatum in all but one season under Brad.

Yeah- can’t get behind the idea that the jays are the reason the team doesn’t play team ball. Just not really accurate and given the limited time they’ve had the keys as the 1&2 not really fair.

Add in the fact that for THIS season ime has done them no favors at all while wanting them to be playmakers I just don’t agree.

[Stan34]

From a Celtic standpoint if I were wanting to be involved in a 3 Way for Brown I want the following:

Kings out: Haliburton, Barnes, Thompson
Kings in: Simmons, Pritchard

Celtics out: Brown, Pritchard
Celtics in: Haliburton, Barnes, Philly 1st

Philly out: Simmons, 1st
Philly in: Brown, Thompson (Waived)

I’m not sure the Kings would do this trade but if they would it would be what I want.

Like it.

Idk, that doesn't actually answer my "prompt" at all. Everyone liking that package for Boston underrates Brown, overrates Barnes, and underestimates the difference between them and the benefit of having HB as a small ball 4. And Haliburton is a nice player, but the odds he overcomes his limitations to be an all-star aren't high, and he's being overrated because everyone loves the archetype - smart, tall point guard, shooting and double digit assists. Jaylen is the best player in the deal and stays that way his entire career unless there's a miracle with Ben's shot or Hali's development.

Tatum told them: green is not always greener. But they like people playing for other teams, they dont even know the player. Speak about Haliburton, they dont know the weaknesses, they dont know how he'll play in PS. I would really like to know how many people here watch Kings games. Trade a proven PO performer like Jaylen, for a good old player and a prospect? Thanks God Stevens is not that stupid

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[Larry_Russell]

I would really like Coby White on our team

[GutUNC]

Fox has been off the table so hard to say. Before the season Philly wanted Fox for Simmons

Lakers linked to Hield but opted for Westbrook and have no assets left. Buddy’s contract declines so hard to know what might be out there.

Boston has been linked most strongly to Barnes. Minnesota, Cleveland and Chicago may be options.

But I will reiterate as a partial Boston fan, the player the Celts should target is Haliburton not Fox.

Fox is really more of a 2 guard. Yes he is unstoppable when he wants to be and can take any player off the dribble….. But those aren’t the Celtics issues. They already have Tatum who can get his own shot when needed.

Haliburton fits the Celtics needs like a glove. The Celtics don’t have a good pick and roll point guard to play with Robert Williams or Tatum. Haliburton is very very good in the pick and roll. I grew up watching Stockton and he reminds me of him. A Haliburton/Tatum or Haliburton/Williams pick and roll would be so hard to stop.

When playing off the ball Haliburton gives you the Celtics a high percentage shooter and he plays passing lanes well on defense. To me Hali is the perfect fit for the Celtics. From a Celtics perspective you ought to be asking what it would take to get Haliburton not Fox.

That's just false. Criticize Morey for setting too high a bar if you want, and maybe things change as time goes on, but his leaks have consistently said Fox was not a target and that was re-emphasized as recently as this week.

My understanding was it was true and he asked for what I heard. It’s what I heard. Whether you have other more accurate data I can’t say and don’t really care.

Are you claiming reporting to that effect or something someone told you in private?

[playa-hater]

I would really like Coby White on our team

I don't know why Chicago wants to trade him.. he makes shots and plays. OK defender I think as well.

I would love to trade for him , but for who and/or what?? Smart??

[GoCeltics123]

I would really like Coby White on our team

I don't know why Chicago wants to trade him.. he makes shots and plays. OK defender I think as well.

I would love to trade for him , but for who and/or what?? Smart??

They might not be able to pay him.

Coby doesn't have a crazy high IQ but he's a really good shooter

[Larry_Russell]

I would really like Coby White on our team

I don't know why Chicago wants to trade him.. he makes shots and plays. OK defender I think as well.

I would love to trade for him , but for who and/or what?? Smart??

I think the key is bringing them in a power forward.

Find the power forward and you can get white.
Roco maybe?

[Celts17Pride]

Just go get Harrison Barnes from the Kings

Schroder, Juancho, a 1st round pick and a young player (Langford, Nesmith, Pritchard and G Williams) their choice of which one.

Pretty simple

[GoGreen]

Still think Smart/Juancho for Bogi is a good idea for both teams. Trade Romeo to get under the tax, and keep Dennis at PG for the year if they can't get much for him at the deadline.

From there, several options to look into if they're still avbl in the offseason. Buddy Hield, Eric Gordon, Barnes, Theis, Christian Wood. Wood fits under the TPE, Theis could be a good get to help C depth.

And come the off season, that's when you can get your PG in Brogdan (assuming the Paces take a 1st & Al, then buy him out, which I think could be possible).

Brogdan/Pritch
JB/Bogi
Tatum/Nesmith
Wood/Grant
Rob/Theis

Not bad. A lot of our picks would likely be gone, though, so that's the roster we'd have moving forward for some time.

[snowman]

Atlanta Hawks Trade Breakdown
Incoming Players
Dennis Schroder

Outgoing Players
Lou Williams
2nd round pick

Boston Celtics Trade Breakdown
Incoming Players
Lou Williams
Jalen Smith

Outgoing Players
Juancho Hernangomez
Dennis Schroder
Enis Freedom
2nd round pick

Oklahoma City Thunder Trade Breakdown
Incoming Players
Juancho Hernangomez
2nd round pick from Atlanta
2nd round pick from Boston

Outgoing Players
Theo Maledon

Phoenix Suns Trade Breakdown
Incoming Players
Enis Freedom
Theo Maledon

Outgoing Players
Jalen Smith

Why for Atlanta? Schroder has been rumored for an Atlanta homecoming, and brings more to the table than Lou Williams
Why for OKC? picking up more draft picks
Why for Phoenix? Getting a young player and a backup big for a player they do not intend to resign
Why for Boston? gets a veteran PG to help off the bench, and an interesting young 3-point threat (albeit low) PF to look at the rest of the season that fits in Tatum, Brown and Rob Williams timeline. Would look good in a Smart, Brown, Tatum, Smith, Rob Williams lineup. Puts us 200,000 under the tax line but with only 13 players.

[CelticFaninLBC]

I would really like Coby White on our team

I don't know why Chicago wants to trade him.. he makes shots and plays. OK defender I think as well.

I would love to trade for him , but for who and/or what?? Smart??

I think the key is bringing them in a power forward.

Find the power forward and you can get white.
Roco maybe?

I think they try to get Jerami Grant or Harrison Barnes, but I doubt they'll deal off Patrick Williams for either.

The Bulls are 20th in defensive rating and 3rd in offensive rating. Swapping Coby White for Smart could be a solid move for CHI. A lineup of Vuc, DeRozan, LaVine, Smart and Lonzo has pretty good size.

[Larry_Russell]

I don't know why Chicago wants to trade him.. he makes shots and plays. OK defender I think as well.

I would love to trade for him , but for who and/or what?? Smart??

I think the key is bringing them in a power forward.

Find the power forward and you can get white.
Roco maybe?

I think they try to get Jerami Grant or Harrison Barnes, but I doubt they'll deal off Patrick Williams for either.

The Bulls are 20th in defensive rating and 3rd in offensive rating. Swapping Coby White for Smart could be a solid move for CHI. A lineup of Vuc, DeRozan, LaVine, Smart and Lonzo has pretty good size.

They have to match salaries and the cash gap is too large in all those.