Celtics and Clippers Deal close to Being Official

[15th overall]

I have been looking at the salary numbers and I think what they are kicking around is a whether they do KG/Terry for Jordan/Green or Summers or whether they do KG/Terry/Lee for Jordan/Butler. Ainge saves more money this year with keeping Lee and Butler out of it but more long term if they are in. There is also the possibility of creating a big trade exception (10.45 mil) if they waive Pierce and make the big deal with Lee/Butler.

Latest Woj article says Clippers do not want to budge on Jordan+1 pick, do not want to include additional 1st rounder

What a crap offer. Im almost at the point where I dont even want a deal to get done... the Clippers arrogance is only outdone by Doc's.

Tell them to call back when their effin' backup point guard is no longer untouchable.

[leper-con]

Sully of other cap oriented folks, if you could answer/clarify this it would be appreciated.

I think there is a major cap benefit that hasn't been mentioned regarding Bledsoe vs Jordan. Jordan makes a lot more, we get that. But after next year, Bledsoe is a RFA with a small cap hold. Bradley is the same. So between those two and our other young core players, Green, Rondo and Sully, there could potentially be significant cap space. Cap space that could be used for a legitimate talent, then the two guards re-signed to generous deals with Bird rights.

If Jordan is in place instead of Bledsoe, he eats up a bunch of that space. So he can be used in a sign and trade, but then he's gone as any asset, and the team is dependent on who wants to take him or other salaries. Exactly the problem we have now. With Bledsoe, you keep the asset AND can control the signing process because there is actual cap space.

So some of this is obvious, but I think the specific situation next year makes it a bigger distinction than the basics that have been discussed so far.

Bledsoe's cap hold in his RFA year will be about 6.5 mil.

I think the issue with Bledsoe is that he is involved in other trade talks.

Is there any truth about the bledsoe and Blake for Howard rumours?

[sully00]

I have been looking at the salary numbers and I think what they are kicking around is a whether they do KG/Terry for Jordan/Green or Summers or whether they do KG/Terry/Lee for Jordan/Butler. Ainge saves more money this year with keeping Lee and Butler out of it but more long term if they are in. There is also the possibility of creating a big trade exception (10.45 mil) if they waive Pierce and make the big deal with Lee/Butler.

I maybe misreading this but how do they get a trade exception by waiving pierce

Buy waiving Pierce they get below the tax threshold allowing them to take back 150% of the salary sent out in a trade instead of 125%. It allows you to really manipulate big trades. To put it simply they can structure the trade so that they send KG for Jordan/Butler and then can create a trade exception for Lee/Terry up to the value of their contracts 10.45 mil.

[ddb]

Everyone calm down and let Ainge do his thing.

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[Celtics_Champs]

Yeah after thinking it over, **** the clippers. Sure call us greedy if you want but we are the ones about to be ****, we need as much as we can get. While this move could lead to a title for the clippers and they're being stingy over a late 20s pick.

[Justin33]

I'm assuming they want to hold onto Butler, so they can move Butler and Bledsoe to Orlando for Affalo.

This new package is garbage

KG for Jordan and we get a pick for our coach and a whole lot of tampering.

Embarrasing

Would prefer Ainge walks away... I mean they're basically getting Pierce too for $5 million...

Not from the Celtics they're not,They are not buying out Pierce the team that trades for Pierce might but not the C's

[Celtics_Champs]

Everyone calm down and let Ainge do his thing.

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Where in the bleeping bleep is the fun in that?

[tombattor]

Yeah after thinking it over, **** the clippers. Sure call us greedy if you want but we are the ones about to be ****, we need as much as we can get. While this move could lead to a title for the clippers and they're being stingy over a late 20s pick.

Exactly. You want to go for the title? Then you gotta pay up.

[VinBaker6]

Hey Celtics fans, is Doc really keeping Bledsoe out of the deal? If so, what a joke. Doc is a fraud. KG for Deandre and a late 1st is awful

[CelticFaninLBC]

This new package is garbage

KG for Jordan and we get a pick for our coach and a whole lot of tampering.

Embarrasing

Would prefer Ainge walks away... I mean they're basically getting Pierce too for $5 million...

Not from the Celtics they're not,They are not buying out Pierce the team that trades for Pierce might but not the C's

It's essentially a wink wink deal. Pierce is going to join Doc and KG...

[ryaningf]

If Woj's last report is accurate http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--sources--kevin-garnett--doc-rivers-trade-may-come-down-to-clippers-surrendering-two-first-round-draft-picks-to-celtics-030159443.html it's time for Danny to walk away.

The Clippers have effectively removed every incentive for the Cs to do this deal. No Bledsoe, no salary relief, minimal compensation for tampering with a coach under contract, and the overwhelming possibility that Paul Pierce is waiting there for them on July 11 for the MLE. All for a late first and Deandre Jordan? Hey, I like Jordan and I like having another first rounder, but this ain't enough. Sometimes you do have to cut off the nose to spite the face and if faced with taking a crap deal or running back the same crew with its 1% punchers chance at a 'chip I take my punchers chance and dare Doc to go into broadcasting and dare KG to retire and tell the Clipps and Sterling to go f themselves. We aren't running a goddamned charity here.

[Justin33]

Would prefer Ainge walks away... I mean they're basically getting Pierce too for $5 million...

Not from the Celtics they're not,They are not buying out Pierce the team that trades for Pierce might but not the C's

It's essentially a wink wink deal. Pierce is going to join Doc and KG...

And if the Celtics trade him to a team that wants to keep him or if a team with capspace claims him of waivers

[GreenBloodedC]

god, Clippers is a terrible franchise. They want to build a championship team but do not want to pay up.

[sully00]

I think the problem with the trade right now is that Sterling is making the trade to keep CP3 happy not because he wants to do the deal.

I think Chris Paul is Ainge's only leverage at this point. Sure he can essentially end the playing and coaching careers of KG and Doc if he wants to and while some on this board might think it a great idea league wide it will suck and it will torpedo a lot of the goodwill Ainge has built up. Ainge is the one who wants to blow this up not them.

Ainge has to either find another team that is interested in taking on KG/Doc or hope that CP3 makes it clear that his willingness to sign if they are acquired means he is gone if they are not.

[CelticFaninLBC]

Not from the Celtics they're not,They are not buying out Pierce the team that trades for Pierce might but not the C's

It's essentially a wink wink deal. Pierce is going to join Doc and KG...

And if the Celtics trade him to a team that wants to keep him or if a team with capspace claims him of waivers

Don't think they'll do that to Pierce though...

[The Corey's]

Wait a damn minute... Not only is doc bailing but if the celtics allow him to he's gonna get 14 mill out of it? F him.

I do have a problem is at the end of the day that we lose pierce, kg and doc and we gain DJ and a pick.

No. Damn. Way.

If the clippers gain those three, we need to gain two picks minimum, DJ, butlers expiring and to dump lee and terry. That I would accept.

[Dangit]

If Woj's last report is accurate http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--sources--kevin-garnett--doc-rivers-trade-may-come-down-to-clippers-surrendering-two-first-round-draft-picks-to-celtics-030159443.html it's time for Danny to walk away.

The Clippers have effectively removed every incentive for the Cs to do this deal. No Bledsoe, no salary relief, minimal compensation for tampering with a coach under contract, and the overwhelming possibility that Paul Pierce is waiting there for them on July 11 for the MLE. All for a late first and Deandre Jordan? Hey, I like Jordan and I like having another first rounder, but this ain't enough. Sometimes you do have to cut off the nose to spite the face and if faced with taking a crap deal or running back the same crew with its 1% punchers chance at a 'chip I take my punchers chance and dare Doc to go into broadcasting and dare KG to retire and tell the Clipps and Sterling to go f themselves. We aren't running a goddamned charity here.

Absolutely correct , With 2014 free agent market and draft just around the bend , I definitely Don't want Boston to be the team everyone low balls because we bent over and took this Crap deal .

[SuperDeluxe]

If Woj's last report is accurate http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--sources--kevin-garnett--doc-rivers-trade-may-come-down-to-clippers-surrendering-two-first-round-draft-picks-to-celtics-030159443.html it's time for Danny to walk away.

The Clippers have effectively removed every incentive for the Cs to do this deal. No Bledsoe, no salary relief, minimal compensation for tampering with a coach under contract, and the overwhelming possibility that Paul Pierce is waiting there for them on July 11 for the MLE. All for a late first and Deandre Jordan? Hey, I like Jordan and I like having another first rounder, but this ain't enough. Sometimes you do have to cut off the nose to spite the face and if faced with taking a crap deal or running back the same crew with its 1% punchers chance at a 'chip I take my punchers chance and dare Doc to go into broadcasting and dare KG to retire and tell the Clipps and Sterling to go f themselves. We aren't running a goddamned charity here.

As much as I think rebuilding is the way to go, I agree with you Ryan -- the offer, as currently constituted, sucks donkey balls. But after reading Wojo's article, I wonder how much of a choice Ainge has.

[165bows]

Sully of other cap oriented folks, if you could answer/clarify this it would be appreciated.

I think there is a major cap benefit that hasn't been mentioned regarding Bledsoe vs Jordan. Jordan makes a lot more, we get that. But after next year, Bledsoe is a RFA with a small cap hold. Bradley is the same. So between those two and our other young core players, Green, Rondo and Sully, there could potentially be significant cap space. Cap space that could be used for a legitimate talent, then the two guards re-signed to generous deals with Bird rights.

If Jordan is in place instead of Bledsoe, he eats up a bunch of that space. So he can be used in a sign and trade, but then he's gone as any asset, and the team is dependent on who wants to take him or other salaries. Exactly the problem we have now. With Bledsoe, you keep the asset AND can control the signing process because there is actual cap space.

So some of this is obvious, but I think the specific situation next year makes it a bigger distinction than the basics that have been discussed so far.

Bledsoe's cap hold in his RFA year will be about 6.5 mil.

I think the issue with Bledsoe is that he is involved in other trade talks.

Oh sure. They are looking to turn Bledsoe into another big score. That's my problem with the deal. They get Doc, KG, Pierce, and then another major piece after that?

Heck, they could even wait, and deal Bledsoe at the deadline. Say they take Lee and/or Terry back. If those guys work out as the fifth option, they can move Bledsoe and Crawford (who is unguaranteed after this year) to a team and take back a ~10M player with real value, to a team that doesn't want to take any salary back.

That is two huge wins in a row IMO. Don't see why the Celtics are psyched to facilitate that, or why the Clips think they have the right to win the entire off-season.

[CelticFaninLBC]

Might as well throw Rondo in there Danny... What a freakin cave.