165bows wrote:ddb wrote:zoyathedestroya wrote:Tbf, I haven’t seen anyone who’s said he’s unwilling or isn’t going to sign the supermax (which according to some has been offered already in some form). It is unusual though that it’s taken this long. My best guess is Stevens has other things in the pipeline (maybe Brogdon trade) that would affect the $$ this season and next couple so maybe he’s asked JB to hold off or has presented him different options.
If it’s the full supermax (not incentive-based), then I don’t know what else there is to negotiate other than the player option on the 5th year. Trade kicker won’t matter cos he’s already at the max.
I'd like to comment on the Brogdon piece of this. I went through every single team in the league and had a really difficult time finding Brogdon trades that would be good for the Celtics. 6th Man of the year. Solid veteran. If our second unit starts with Brogdon & Al that's a heck of a start to the bench unit.
Out of all the teams, the Clippers & Bulls were the teams that I kept going back to.
Because of the 2nd apron, the Clippers would have to send out Mann, Covington OR Batum AND Preston to make the $$ work for Brogdon. Would they do that? And would Boston do that? For Boston you HAVE to get Mann back. Otherwise, it's a no.
Chicago has guards. But none as good as Brogdon. To make the money work it would have to be something along the lines of Brogdon/Hauser for Caruso/PWilliams. Would the Bulls deal Patrick Williams this early in his career? He's still only 21 and shot it 41% from 3 last season. And Caruso is a topflight perimeter defender. Chicago probably doesn't do this deal unless Boston got creative and added the Golden State 1st they just acquired. Maybe multiple 1st rd picks. Brogdon/Hauser/two 1st for Caruso and Williams I would seriously consider. But then Boston is giving up assets they may want to hang on to for a "seismic" trade down the line. Tough call.
Bulls could be interesting with a Brogdon-Lavine-DDR-Craig-Vuc lineup. Boston would go White-JB-JT-KP-Timelord with Caruso-Pritchard-Brissett-Williams-Horford bench. Pretty interesting lineups for both teams, but I have a feeling both teams would shy away from this idea.
Other than that, any ideas? There's not much out there. The Spurs could put something together around Tre Jones & McDermott for Brogdon. Although, I'm not sure if Brogdon makes sense for them unless they want a veteran PG to help mentor their young talent.
So, with all that said it may just make more sense to keep Brogdon for now.
Nah, I’ve done the same exercise a few times over but it’s extremely slim pickings. At first it felt like Brogdon was inevitably out the door since the injury and well they practically traded him once. But there just isn’t a good fit. And imo he does fit well here he’s just injury prone.
I also settled on Chicago as a top option and had a complicated deal with Brogdon and other pieces for DDR/Caruso. Pretty much too tough to pull off though because of the restrictive salary rules so it’s just not realistic at this point.
I did like the White/Brown/Tatum/Al/Zinger starters with DDR/Caruso/Rob on the bench with a few other guys behind them. Really tough and deep team but wondering if maybe they just make some minors moves instead.
Of all the suggested trade ideas, I like hugepatsfans' Bogdanovic/Wright return the best. I feel that makes us better depending on your confidence in Wright and PP as playoff rotation guys. I don't think we're going after a 4th high-salaried guy unless there's already a plan in place to ship off JB next offseason.
