Official BKN-DAL-MIN pick watch Thread 2015-16 season

[165bows]

Wow, this thread is surprisingly dead. The Nets lost again, the Mavs got pulverized and the Pelicans won on the road to even up with Nets and tie for 3rd.

The bad news is the West is cratering behind the Mavs. Minny is in a tailspin, Utah has lost 4 straight, Phoenix is failing and Sacramento/Portland/Denver are all still fatally flawed. Houston and Memphis seem mired in mediocrity.

We may end up depending on ourselves if we want a 2nd lotto pick.

Plus there is always next year lol. Still lots of praise being doled out for the 2017 draft eligible kids. Brooklyn should have the opportunity to improve a bit but 2016 NBA FA class is going to be brutal warfare this summer to get any good value so no guarantees.

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I already thought the top of the 2016 class was legit. But guys keep improving as prospects.

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Hell of a performance from Ike Anigbogu. Big time get for the Bruins. Love his physical profile, hands, energy and toughness.

[soxfan2003]

A different question for folks... Who does anyone think the Nets will target in 2016 free agency? Obviously, if they could get Durant and his agents drunk, they would go after him but I did read someone reporting on the Nets plans and it seems like the Nets want several good players and not let's say just try to throw all of their money at a 2nd tier star on the decline.

Could Zeller and Turner be inexpensive targets? And then they try to add a couple of players from other teams a level up from those 2. I'm assuming they get rid of Joe Johnson. Ideally, they would want more outside shooting than Turner can provide but Turner would be much more expensive if he could do that reliably.

[Jingles]

A different question for folks... Who does anyone think the Nets will target in 2016 free agency? Obviously, if they could get Durant and his agents drunk, they would go after him but I did read someone reporting on the Nets plans and it seems like the Nets want several good players and not let's say just try to throw all of their money at a 2nd tier star on the decline.

Could Zeller and Turner be inexpensive targets? And then they try to add a couple of players from other teams a level up from those 2. I'm assuming they get rid of Joe Johnson. Ideally, they would want more outside shooting than Turner can provide but Turner would be much more expensive if he could do that reliably.

If they're smart, deepening the roster is the direction they'll go. Stretch 4, true 3 and D guy, that sort of thing. Shoot for incremental improvement and bide your time while you wait to get your picks back in a few years and finally begin a true rebuild.

Of course, this is Billy King we're talking about here so it's entirely possible they waste all kinds of time chasing RFAs and the likes of Conley and Derozan despite all the other teams with money to burn and significantly better situations to offer. I hope they panic and end up doing something crazy like giving Rondo or Jennings a long-term contract.


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[165bows]

A different question for folks... Who does anyone think the Nets will target in 2016 free agency? Obviously, if they could get Durant and his agents drunk, they would go after him but I did read someone reporting on the Nets plans and it seems like the Nets want several good players and not let's say just try to throw all of their money at a 2nd tier star on the decline.

Could Zeller and Turner be inexpensive targets? And then they try to add a couple of players from other teams a level up from those 2. I'm assuming they get rid of Joe Johnson. Ideally, they would want more outside shooting than Turner can provide but Turner would be much more expensive if he could do that reliably.

It's a good question, I've looked at it in the past and the FA group is pretty weak, especially at PG where they could use help. Jack is a $6M non-guaranteed deal so figuring out what to do there seems the first order of business. They really need help in the backcourt and the wing as well as backup C. There is just going to be so much money out there and based on previous signings like Bargnani I'm optimistic they don't make the right choices and improve that much.

I mean, we've seen how bad a team can be with Jeff Green and that's the pool of guys they will be fishing in. Names like Derozen and Brandon Jennings are ones I see most often mentioned as realistic targets.

Edit- just soo many grenades available where they need help - Jeff and Gerald Green, Dion Waiters, Lance Stephenson, OJ Mayo etc. Realistically Gerald Henderson and Ramon Sessions are options.

[165bows]

Good hoops night tonight. Mavs-Grizz, Memphis passes Dallas back up with a win. Nets ten point underdogs to Pacers. And a bunch of west coast bottom feeders play each other so three teams will pick up wins in the lotto standings.

[Banks2Pierce]

A different question for folks... Who does anyone think the Nets will target in 2016 free agency?

They'll start off trying to get Conley, Horford, and Batum. Will probably end up with Foye, Speights, and Wesley Johnson.

[klemen4]

As long as there is 3 games cushion to 6th worst Im more than happy about BRK pick.

3.-5. would be amazing

[Slartibartfast]

A different question for folks... Who does anyone think the Nets will target in 2016 free agency? Obviously, if they could get Durant and his agents drunk, they would go after him but I did read someone reporting on the Nets plans and it seems like the Nets want several good players and not let's say just try to throw all of their money at a 2nd tier star on the decline.

Could Zeller and Turner be inexpensive targets? And then they try to add a couple of players from other teams a level up from those 2. I'm assuming they get rid of Joe Johnson. Ideally, they would want more outside shooting than Turner can provide but Turner would be much more expensive if he could do that reliably.

It's a good question, I've looked at it in the past and the FA group is pretty weak, especially at PG where they could use help. Jack is a $6M non-guaranteed deal so figuring out what to do there seems the first order of business. They really need help in the backcourt and the wing as well as backup C. There is just going to be so much money out there and based on previous signings like Bargnani I'm optimistic they don't make the right choices and improve that much.

I mean, we've seen how bad a team can be with Jeff Green and that's the pool of guys they will be fishing in. Names like Derozen and Brandon Jennings are ones I see most often mentioned as realistic targets.

Edit- just soo many grenades available where they need help - Jeff and Gerald Green, Dion Waiters, Lance Stephenson, OJ Mayo etc. Realistically Gerald Henderson and Ramon Sessions are options.

I explored this on BKM back in the heady 0-7 days. My prediction was Jennings, Langston Galloway, Jeff Green and Mo Speights.

So much depends on whether Billy is left in charge. He typically steers away from loose cannons and low-character guys. He also doesn't place a premium on 3-point shooting.

If it were me I'd go for Jeremy Lin at PG - a younger, less selfish, marketable version of Jarrett Jack - on a big one year deal. I'd consider Gerald Green at the 2 as well - he may be a grenade, but grenades are explosive! - since he's likely to be cheap and amenable to a short-term deal.

Then try to grab Nicholson and Dedmon off Orlando's bench. I'd look to start Nicholson to space the floor and bring Thad off the bench as a super-sub.

The goal being to make the team watchable again while preserving the core trio of RHJ/Thad/Brook and maintaining cap flexibility for 2017.

[165bows]

A different question for folks... Who does anyone think the Nets will target in 2016 free agency? Obviously, if they could get Durant and his agents drunk, they would go after him but I did read someone reporting on the Nets plans and it seems like the Nets want several good players and not let's say just try to throw all of their money at a 2nd tier star on the decline.

Could Zeller and Turner be inexpensive targets? And then they try to add a couple of players from other teams a level up from those 2. I'm assuming they get rid of Joe Johnson. Ideally, they would want more outside shooting than Turner can provide but Turner would be much more expensive if he could do that reliably.

It's a good question, I've looked at it in the past and the FA group is pretty weak, especially at PG where they could use help. Jack is a $6M non-guaranteed deal so figuring out what to do there seems the first order of business. They really need help in the backcourt and the wing as well as backup C. There is just going to be so much money out there and based on previous signings like Bargnani I'm optimistic they don't make the right choices and improve that much.

I mean, we've seen how bad a team can be with Jeff Green and that's the pool of guys they will be fishing in. Names like Derozen and Brandon Jennings are ones I see most often mentioned as realistic targets.

Edit- just soo many grenades available where they need help - Jeff and Gerald Green, Dion Waiters, Lance Stephenson, OJ Mayo etc. Realistically Gerald Henderson and Ramon Sessions are options.

I explored this on BKM back in the heady 0-7 days. My prediction was Jennings, Langston Galloway, Jeff Green and Mo Speights.

So much depends on whether Billy is left in charge. He typically steers away from loose cannons and low-character guys. He also doesn't place a premium on 3-point shooting.

If it were me I'd go for Jeremy Lin at PG - a younger, less selfish, marketable version of Jarrett Jack - on a big one year deal. I'd consider Gerald Green at the 2 as well - he may be a grenade, but grenades are explosive! - since he's likely to be cheap and amenable to a short-term deal.

Then try to grab Nicholson and Dedmon off Orlando's bench. I'd look to start Nicholson to space the floor and bring Thad off the bench as a super-sub.

The goal being to make the team watchable again while preserving the core trio of RHJ/Thad/Brook and maintaining cap flexibility for 2017.

Yeah Lin makes a lot of sense.

I mainly think the summer will be chaotic and the savvy front offices will have an advantage. Hope so because getting a high end piece out of the 2017 draft would be so huge.

[GreenFor3]

Anyone watching the BRK vs Indy game? I see the Pacers have 6 techs somehow lmao. Pacers down 1 with 9 mins to go so hopefully they can pull this out.

[165bows]

Dear Santa,

Can the Celtics land the 11th pick in the draft this year from Dallas. Thanks.

Hat tip to 3126.

[jirrit]

Dear Santa,

Can the Celtics land the 11th pick in the draft this year from Dallas. Thanks.

Hat tip to 3126.

I still believe they can drop out the play-offs. The Nets to me are 75% sure bottom 5, that's awesome.

[mwhis21]

Kind of crazy---Lopez and Johnson are in the Top 30 total minutes played this season. And Thad Young is right behind them. Seems like it's just a matter of time right? Can't be running Lopez and Johnson into the ground and expect them to make it through an entire year.

[rickrolled]

Big back to back for the Nets begins on sunday (home) vs Minnesota, then road game vs Chicago on monday. A loss to the Twolves on sunday would probably be a back breaker, and followed by a loss to chicago, and the rest of december is really tough after those 2 games.

[165bows]

Dear Santa,

Can the Celtics land the 11th pick in the draft this year from Dallas. Thanks.

Hat tip to 3126.

I still believe they can drop out the play-offs. The Nets to me are 75% sure bottom 5, that's awesome.

I did find this encouraging bit:

@SethPartnow I like how Dallas is allowing most open 3's in the league but is top 3 in %.

The very definition of unsustainable.

[BRUNiNHO91]

A different question for folks... Who does anyone think the Nets will target in 2016 free agency? Obviously, if they could get Durant and his agents drunk, they would go after him but I did read someone reporting on the Nets plans and it seems like the Nets want several good players and not let's say just try to throw all of their money at a 2nd tier star on the decline.

Could Zeller and Turner be inexpensive targets? And then they try to add a couple of players from other teams a level up from those 2. I'm assuming they get rid of Joe Johnson. Ideally, they would want more outside shooting than Turner can provide but Turner would be much more expensive if he could do that reliably.

I think they add nobody of real value and lose Joe Johnson. They might get a Bargnani like they did this year, but at the end of the day I think FA will hurt them more than help them. Not sure anybody is lining up to play with Brook Lopez and Shane Larkin anytime soon. If they get a big FA before/over us Danny needs to be fired on the spot.

[max powers]

@SethPartnow I like how Dallas is allowing most open 3's in the league but is top 3 in %.

The very definition of unsustainable.

They are potentially just not guarding the three point line for the Evan Turners of the league which is a great strategy.

[165bows]

@SethPartnow I like how Dallas is allowing most open 3's in the league but is top 3 in %.

The very definition of unsustainable.

They are potentially just not guarding the three point line for the Evan Turners of the league which is a great strategy.

That's what every team does. They addressed that issue, not going to copy paste it all but you can find it on Partnow's timeline:

@sethpartnow @haralabob we have, Basically no explanatory power from past OPP 3% on open shots to future at least with the data we have so far.

Not saying it doesn't happen, but I haven't found an example of a team able to do this consistently.

[Cornbread]

A different question for folks... Who does anyone think the Nets will target in 2016 free agency? Obviously, if they could get Durant and his agents drunk, they would go after him but I did read someone reporting on the Nets plans and it seems like the Nets want several good players and not let's say just try to throw all of their money at a 2nd tier star on the decline.

Could Zeller and Turner be inexpensive targets? And then they try to add a couple of players from other teams a level up from those 2. I'm assuming they get rid of Joe Johnson. Ideally, they would want more outside shooting than Turner can provide but Turner would be much more expensive if he could do that reliably.

I think they add nobody of real value and lose Joe Johnson. They might get a Bargnani like they did this year, but at the end of the day I think FA will hurt them more than help them. Not sure anybody is lining up to play with Brook Lopez and Shane Larkin anytime soon. If they get a big FA before/over us Danny needs to be fired on the spot.

The Nets are clearly not a destination. And with so many teams having cap room - and so few good free agents - their best bet for short term improvement is to overpay for a second tier FA.

I don't think they have much shot at guys that are offered the max from multiple other teams.


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[ddb]

Kevin Durant via free agency, and acquire another stud via trade using the 16 BK pick and Mavs pick, maybe our own as well and Phillys 2nd rounder which will be 31 overall. Thats basically 4 first rounders right away we can trade to a team thats looking to rebuild...whoever that may be. I would keep 17 swap and 18 BK sinply because I dont think BK will be any good anytime soon...having those picks will be HUGE towards supplementing what is hopefully already a contending roster.