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Post#1541 » by Andrew McCeltic » Sat Nov 3, 2018 12:24 pm

kuclas wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:
truth18 wrote:
Nothing. Wall is one of the biggest frauds in the league.


This— John Wall is nothing more than the modern version of Stephon Marbury. His reputation far exceeds his actual ability and his attitude and behavior on the court significantly hurt the tean.


So how would you think Kyrie Irving would do on the wizards? Cause kyrie on Cleveland before Lebron was a big negative as well.

Irving and Wall are very similar players. Both injury prone. Irving gonna to get max money like wall as well.

Put Irving on wizards with their dysfunctional team. We be talking the same thing about Irving.


It's possible Wall could flourish somewhere else.. but that Washington team has been broken for years. They were struggling to gel for years - Pierce gave them his last good season, and rallied them to the playoffs, but it didn't stick. Porter's sudden improvement was the only thing to save them from complete disappointment, and now they're back to being bad anyway. I think Wall and Beal do just really hate each other, and aren't compatible as players.
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Post#1542 » by Gooner » Sat Nov 3, 2018 12:36 pm

kuclas wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:
truth18 wrote:
Nothing. Wall is one of the biggest frauds in the league.


This— John Wall is nothing more than the modern version of Stephon Marbury. His reputation far exceeds his actual ability and his attitude and behavior on the court significantly hurt the tean.


So how would you think Kyrie Irving would do on the wizards? Cause kyrie on Cleveland before Lebron was a big negative as well.

Irving and Wall are very similar players. Both injury prone. Irving gonna to get max money like wall as well.

Put Irving on wizards with their dysfunctional team. We be talking the same thing about Irving.


Kyrie and Bradley Beal?I can envision that working really well.And comparing Kyrie on Cleveland before LeBron came, to today's John Wall, is totally pointless.Kyrie was 19,20 and 21 in those three years,and he was on trash teams.LeBron missed the playoffs in his first two years in Cleveland aswell,but no one mentions that.

Wall is now 28,he has had talented teams for a few years now,but failed to lead them were they were supposed to go,and now they suck.Very bad comparison.
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Post#1543 » by SmartWentCrazy » Sat Nov 3, 2018 1:17 pm

kuclas wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:
truth18 wrote:
Nothing. Wall is one of the biggest frauds in the league.


This— John Wall is nothing more than the modern version of Stephon Marbury. His reputation far exceeds his actual ability and his attitude and behavior on the court significantly hurt the tean.


So how would you think Kyrie Irving would do on the wizards? Cause kyrie on Cleveland before Lebron was a big negative as well.

Irving and Wall are very similar players. Both injury prone. Irving gonna to get max money like wall as well.

Put Irving on wizards with their dysfunctional team. We be talking the same thing about Irving.


If you swapped out Wall for Kyrie, there wouldnt be dysfunction — thats the point. Wall consistently pouts and sulks on the court. He consistently fights with teammates. Hes also very inefficient for the volume of shots he takes.

Irving and Wall are nothing alike. Kyrie’s best teammate pre-LeBron was probably Dion **** Waiters. Or maybe Tristan Thompson. Wall has another all-star and an ideal 3&D complimentary piece and has always had an offensively capable big man on his team. Trying to compare Kyrie missing the playoffs with Waiters and Thompson to Wall with Beal and Porter is just insane. Moreso, there games are nothing alike. Totally bizarre comparison that seems agenda driven, to be honest.
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Post#1544 » by Curmudgeon » Sat Nov 3, 2018 1:33 pm

Wall and Beal are the two most overrated players in a league full of overrated players. Stop complaining and figure out how to keep the opposing team under 140.
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Post#1545 » by kuclas » Sat Nov 3, 2018 1:40 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:
kuclas wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:
This— John Wall is nothing more than the modern version of Stephon Marbury. His reputation far exceeds his actual ability and his attitude and behavior on the court significantly hurt the tean.


So how would you think Kyrie Irving would do on the wizards? Cause kyrie on Cleveland before Lebron was a big negative as well.

Irving and Wall are very similar players. Both injury prone. Irving gonna to get max money like wall as well.

Put Irving on wizards with their dysfunctional team. We be talking the same thing about Irving.


If you swapped out Wall for Kyrie, there wouldnt be dysfunction — thats the point. Wall consistently pouts and sulks on the court. He consistently fights with teammates. Hes also very inefficient for the volume of shots he takes.

Irving and Wall are nothing alike. Kyrie’s best teammate pre-LeBron was probably Dion **** Waiters. Or maybe Tristan Thompson. Wall has another all-star and an ideal 3&D complimentary piece and has always had an offensively capable big man on his team. Trying to compare Kyrie missing the playoffs with Waiters and Thompson to Wall with Beal and Porter is just insane. Moreso, there games are nothing alike. Totally bizarre comparison that seems agenda driven, to be honest.


Bizarre comparison?

Both of them are point guards. Both were drafted overall number 1 in back to back years after one and done years. Both known for being ball dominant players who take a lot of shots. Wall is the faster point guard in open court but Irving is the more shifty point guard in half court set. They are very similar players. Plus both injury prone.

Notice Kyrie's defensive rating kinda of sucked in Cleveland with or without Lebron. And kyrie defensive rating increased last year with Boston. So did Kyrie all of the sudden become a better defender? Or is it the team defensive scheme that makes him look like a better defender?

It's a team game. Put Kyrie on the Wizards, they will have similar issues.
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Post#1546 » by SmartWentCrazy » Sat Nov 3, 2018 1:55 pm

kuclas wrote:Bizarre comparison?

Both of them are point guards. Both were drafted overall number 1 in back to back years after one and done years. Both known for being ball dominant players who take a lot of shots. Wall is the faster point guard in open court but Irving is the more shifty point guard in half court set. They are very similar players. Plus both injury prone.


Wall is a ball-pounder that cant shoot, is a great passer and was a very good defender before his attitude soured and his knee injuries sapped some athleticism. He’s a dynamo in transition and loves to push the ball and play uptempo. He generally drives with the intent of creating for others.

Irving is a shooter and a mediocre passer. He can ball pound at times, but he’s been better in this regard since LeBron joined his team. He’s become an above average defender when he tries, but he’ll never be on Walls level. Kyrie is a half-court set player who loves to try to break a guy down 1 on 1 with his dribble. He loves to play iso-ball and generallu drives with the intent of creating for himself.

Theyre not similar players at all. Only an agenda-driven individual trying to push a ridiculous point would try to claim elsewise.

Notice Kyrie's defensive rating kinda of sucked in Cleveland with or without Lebron. And kyrie defensive rating increased last year with Boston. So did Kyrie all of the sudden become a better defender? Or is it the team defensive scheme that makes him look like a better defender?

It's a team game. Put Kyrie on the Wizards, they will have similar issues.


Defensive Rating is a team based stat— no **** it gets better with better teammates and worse with worse teammates. This is why its moronic to try to use a team based stat to tout an individual’s accolades.

And how you concluded that team-based defensive stat functioning as team based stats do is proof that the Wizards would be no different with Kyrie is beyond me.

The Wizards suck BECAUSE of Wall. He is a terrible teammate who has ruined the chemistry of that team. He has fought with teammate after teammate and openly sulks on the court. If you remove him from the team, it will be addition by subtraction. If you remove him and replace him with a guy who can space the floor amd is generally a good teammate, they will get markedly better.

What a weak-ass attempt at trolling.
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Post#1547 » by GoCeltics123 » Sat Nov 3, 2018 2:49 pm

kuclas wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:
truth18 wrote:
Nothing. Wall is one of the biggest frauds in the league.


This— John Wall is nothing more than the modern version of Stephon Marbury. His reputation far exceeds his actual ability and his attitude and behavior on the court significantly hurt the tean.


So how would you think Kyrie Irving would do on the wizards? Cause kyrie on Cleveland before Lebron was a big negative as well.

Irving and Wall are very similar players. Both injury prone. Irving gonna to get max money like wall as well.

Put Irving on wizards with their dysfunctional team. We be talking the same thing about Irving.

One won an NBA Finals. Another hasn't been past the second round.

Try again.
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Post#1548 » by truth18 » Sat Nov 3, 2018 3:12 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:
kuclas wrote:Bizarre comparison?

Both of them are point guards. Both were drafted overall number 1 in back to back years after one and done years. Both known for being ball dominant players who take a lot of shots. Wall is the faster point guard in open court but Irving is the more shifty point guard in half court set. They are very similar players. Plus both injury prone.


Wall is a ball-pounder that cant shoot, is a great passer and was a very good defender before his attitude soured and his knee injuries sapped some athleticism. He’s a dynamo in transition and loves to push the ball and play uptempo. He generally drives with the intent of creating for others.

Irving is a shooter and a mediocre passer. He can ball pound at times, but he’s been better in this regard since LeBron joined his team. He’s become an above average defender when he tries, but he’ll never be on Walls level. Kyrie is a half-court set player who loves to try to break a guy down 1 on 1 with his dribble. He loves to play iso-ball and generallu drives with the intent of creating for himself.

Theyre not similar players at all. Only an agenda-driven individual trying to push a ridiculous point would try to claim elsewise.

Notice Kyrie's defensive rating kinda of sucked in Cleveland with or without Lebron. And kyrie defensive rating increased last year with Boston. So did Kyrie all of the sudden become a better defender? Or is it the team defensive scheme that makes him look like a better defender?

It's a team game. Put Kyrie on the Wizards, they will have similar issues.


Defensive Rating is a team based stat— no **** it gets better with better teammates and worse with worse teammates. This is why its moronic to try to use a team based stat to tout an individual’s accolades.

And how you concluded that team-based defensive stat functioning as team based stats do is proof that the Wizards would be no different with Kyrie is beyond me.

The Wizards suck BECAUSE of Wall. He is a terrible teammate who has ruined the chemistry of that team. He has fought with teammate after teammate and openly sulks on the court. If you remove him from the team, it will be addition by subtraction. If you remove him and replace him with a guy who can space the floor amd is generally a good teammate, they will get markedly better.

What a weak-ass attempt at trolling.


I saw some interview with Wall a few years into the league and knew exactly who he was: a dude who is about his money first.

I actually have nothing against that, but he is a fake ass star who doesn't give a single **** about winning a finals or even a playoff series and no one should pretend otherwise because of "talent".

Cave and Brun, y'all are my homies and have great basketball minds/a million hits, but you guys seriously missed with Wall. He doesn't care.
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Post#1549 » by CeltsfanSinceBirth » Sat Nov 3, 2018 3:17 pm

I used to think that Wall must be a great guy if even he got along with DeMarcus Cousins. Now I wonder if the reason they get along so well is because they're both ****?
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Post#1550 » by thelarrybirdx » Sat Nov 3, 2018 6:35 pm

Before this season, I always thought Embiid was overrated. But now, holy cow. He's a freaking animal. Easily a top-3 player in the conference and top-10 in the NBA.
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Post#1551 » by Bostonic33 » Sat Nov 3, 2018 8:28 pm

So much for Detroit's quick start... they lost four games in a row and now is a 0.500 team. Sort of expected better from a team with Drummond and Griffin.
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Post#1552 » by canman1971 » Sat Nov 3, 2018 8:40 pm

truth18 wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:
kuclas wrote:Bizarre comparison?

Both of them are point guards. Both were drafted overall number 1 in back to back years after one and done years. Both known for being ball dominant players who take a lot of shots. Wall is the faster point guard in open court but Irving is the more shifty point guard in half court set. They are very similar players. Plus both injury prone.


Wall is a ball-pounder that cant shoot, is a great passer and was a very good defender before his attitude soured and his knee injuries sapped some athleticism. He’s a dynamo in transition and loves to push the ball and play uptempo. He generally drives with the intent of creating for others.

Irving is a shooter and a mediocre passer. He can ball pound at times, but he’s been better in this regard since LeBron joined his team. He’s become an above average defender when he tries, but he’ll never be on Walls level. Kyrie is a half-court set player who loves to try to break a guy down 1 on 1 with his dribble. He loves to play iso-ball and generallu drives with the intent of creating for himself.

Theyre not similar players at all. Only an agenda-driven individual trying to push a ridiculous point would try to claim elsewise.

Notice Kyrie's defensive rating kinda of sucked in Cleveland with or without Lebron. And kyrie defensive rating increased last year with Boston. So did Kyrie all of the sudden become a better defender? Or is it the team defensive scheme that makes him look like a better defender?

It's a team game. Put Kyrie on the Wizards, they will have similar issues.


Defensive Rating is a team based stat— no **** it gets better with better teammates and worse with worse teammates. This is why its moronic to try to use a team based stat to tout an individual’s accolades.

And how you concluded that team-based defensive stat functioning as team based stats do is proof that the Wizards would be no different with Kyrie is beyond me.

The Wizards suck BECAUSE of Wall. He is a terrible teammate who has ruined the chemistry of that team. He has fought with teammate after teammate and openly sulks on the court. If you remove him from the team, it will be addition by subtraction. If you remove him and replace him with a guy who can space the floor amd is generally a good teammate, they will get markedly better.

What a weak-ass attempt at trolling.


I saw some interview with Wall a few years into the league and knew exactly who he was: a dude who is about his money first.

I actually have nothing against that, but he is a fake ass star who doesn't give a single **** about winning a finals or even a playoff series and no one should pretend otherwise because of "talent".

Cave and Brun, y'all are my homies and have great basketball minds/a million hits, but you guys seriously missed with Wall. He doesn't care.

I've always had this thought about Wall. I don't have any real reason why. He just comes across as a non-winner. Don't know if it's a money first thing, or he's just an apathetic type of person. Either way, it's too bad as he has talent. He just doesn't have the drive needed to be a winner and for some, that is ok.
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Post#1553 » by Roddy » Sat Nov 3, 2018 10:30 pm

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Post#1554 » by Darth Celtic » Sat Nov 3, 2018 10:38 pm

Yeah, Lakers need more non shooting traditional big men.
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Post#1555 » by mbsnmisc » Sat Nov 3, 2018 10:40 pm

kuclas wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:
truth18 wrote:
Nothing. Wall is one of the biggest frauds in the league.


This— John Wall is nothing more than the modern version of Stephon Marbury. His reputation far exceeds his actual ability and his attitude and behavior on the court significantly hurt the tean.


So how would you think Kyrie Irving would do on the wizards? Cause kyrie on Cleveland before Lebron was a big negative as well.

Irving and Wall are very similar players. Both injury prone. Irving gonna to get max money like wall as well.

Put Irving on wizards with their dysfunctional team. We be talking the same thing about Irving.

Different max boy genius. Wall got the super duper team that drafted me max. Kyrie gets the regular max.
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Post#1556 » by Taget » Sun Nov 4, 2018 1:07 am

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GoCeltics123 wrote:With Luke Walton's job apparently on the line, here's my prediction:

The Lakers fire him, and hire Ty Lue.

They are stupid if they do that :lol:


It's the Lakers. They need a big name coach. One with fancy suits and an ego of epic proportions. The only choice is Rick Pitino!
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Post#1557 » by Andrew McCeltic » Sun Nov 4, 2018 1:34 am

Bostonic33 wrote:So much for Detroit's quick start... they lost four games in a row and now is a 0.500 team. Sort of expected better from a team with Drummond and Griffin.


No depth, not enough shooting, bad perimeter players.
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Post#1558 » by Andrew McCeltic » Sun Nov 4, 2018 1:44 am

Early western conference standings are a head scratcher, too.. Memphis is 5-2, Sacramento is 6-3, OKC is somehow again only a .500 team, Houston is 2-5.
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Post#1559 » by VeryMuchWoke » Sun Nov 4, 2018 3:11 am

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Post#1560 » by GoCeltics123 » Sun Nov 4, 2018 3:18 am

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