Ainge Retires - Stevens to Front Office - Celtics search for New Head Coach

[sam_I_am]

Wyc doesn't save any money by promoting Brad to do nothing. it's sunk money. If Brad Stevens is appointed POBO that's because Wyc believes he's the man for the job. You can disagree with that decision, but it's ridiculous and illogical to say Wyc saves money by promoting Brad when simply firing him would cost the same.

The Celtics organization including Danny and Brad must know a change is needed. Larry Bird stepped upstairs from coaching for the exact same reason. Brad is a superstar. Players love him, fellow coaches love him, he is a media darling and fan favorite and the ownership group absolutely loves him.

Danny is irreplaceable. His link to Red Auerbach, to Larry Bird era and his remarkable resurrection of this franchise leading to 2008 title is a huge loss. There is no way ownership forced him out. Him retiring and Brad succeeding him is something he must have wanted to happen. It’s good for him to retire - he’s getting older, the job has been less fun for 2 years and he’s had health issues. If he misses the action after recharging and emerges somewhere else for a new challenge that is great. If he remains an advisor to Celtics like Larry Bird did for Pacers even better.

Whenever there is a new Gm, veteran GMs will be looking to take advantage. They may have feared to deal with Danny but there will be plenty looking to deal with Boston now. This could weirdly work out for the team as more opportunities may arise. With Zarum still on board for now you I think the organization is safe from getting fleeced.

Atlanta changed coaches mid-season going from an outstanding developmental coach to a proven winner type of coach. The Celtics need to transition from mentoring immature young men to a true professional group of men ready to compete for a title. It’s time to get a coach ready to win now and a veteran bench that can be counted on as Tatum and Brown enter their early prime years. For me that guy is Chauncey Billups. My second choice would be to grab an assistant from Miami like Malik Allen because I think Spoelstra is best coach in NBA.

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Listening to Danny's interview on 98.5 this morning: https://985thesportshub.com/podcasts/toucher-rich/. He's talking about wondering how much he'll miss from his position, but also uses the example of his wife having been scheduled to go to a relative's funeral without him--and now he will be able to join her. That to me doesn't make this sound like something that has been planned since March, though I know Danny has been weighing the possibility at least since then.

Interesting to hear his tik-tok on how it went down re: Danny's replacement.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Mazz had for about a month, and stuck with his sources saying, Danny would likely step down. He's his take on Brad's role as of this morning:

https://985thesportshub.com/2021/06/03/mazz-the-real-reason-brad-stevens-is-still-here/

I nearly came out of my slumber to post in that thread, but Mazz actually does have basketball sources and has broken things before. He just **** hates the game and doesnt watch at all.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Listening to Danny's interview on 98.5 this morning: https://985thesportshub.com/podcasts/toucher-rich/. He's talking about wondering how much he'll miss from his position, but also uses the example of his wife having been scheduled to go to a relative's funeral without him--and now he will be able to join her. That to me doesn't make this sound like something that has been planned since March, though I know Danny has been weighing the possibility at least since then.

Interesting to hear his tik-tok on how it went down re: Danny's replacement.

Zero doubt in my mind that Ainge’s recent kyrie comments led to this. I dont know if it was ownership firing him politely or his way of getting them to accept his resignation, but that event 100% sealed the deal.

[bisme37]

Listening to Danny's interview on 98.5 this morning: https://985thesportshub.com/podcasts/toucher-rich/. He's talking about wondering how much he'll miss from his position, but also uses the example of his wife having been scheduled to go to a relative's funeral without him--and now he will be able to join her. That to me doesn't make this sound like something that has been planned since March, though I know Danny has been weighing the possibility at least since then.

Interesting to hear his tik-tok on how it went down re: Danny's replacement.

Zero doubt in my mind that Ainge’s recent kyrie comments led to this. I dont know if it was ownership firing him politely or his way of getting them to accept his resignation, but that event 100% sealed the deal.

But the reports say Ainge informed the team he was stepping down in March.

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Wyc doesn't save any money by promoting Brad to do nothing. it's sunk money. If Brad Stevens is appointed POBO that's because Wyc believes he's the man for the job. You can disagree with that decision, but it's ridiculous and illogical to say Wyc saves money by promoting Brad when simply firing him would cost the same.

That's not the case at all. It is only sunk money if Brad doesn't come up with another opportunity he wants enough to take elsewhere for him to agree to drop the remainder of his C's contract.

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Listening to Danny's interview on 98.5 this morning: https://985thesportshub.com/podcasts/toucher-rich/. He's talking about wondering how much he'll miss from his position, but also uses the example of his wife having been scheduled to go to a relative's funeral without him--and now he will be able to join her. That to me doesn't make this sound like something that has been planned since March, though I know Danny has been weighing the possibility at least since then.

Interesting to hear his tik-tok on how it went down re: Danny's replacement.

Zero doubt in my mind that Ainge’s recent kyrie comments led to this. I dont know if it was ownership firing him politely or his way of getting them to accept his resignation, but that event 100% sealed the deal.

But the reports say Ainge informed the team he was stepping down in March.

I don't know re: the Kyrie comments, and I do think Danny was at least discussing it for some time. (But I do note that they do not ask Danny for a chance to revisit or clarify those comments at all.)

But also interesting in this 98.5 interview is Danny pretty much putting the kabash on Lawson as a candidate. Suggests many coach of the year candidates are retread, previously fired, NBA head coaches.

[jfs1000d]

I'm just mystified as to why they kept Stevens. I get you owe him a ton of money. I thin the Boston Celtics can afford to pay him to stay home.

Don’t you think they asked stevens to do double duty? Stevens could have left. He can get a job tomorrow. He didn’t. They want him. Didn’t kick him up stairs. Lol.


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[bisme37]

Zero doubt in my mind that Ainge’s recent kyrie comments led to this. I dont know if it was ownership firing him politely or his way of getting them to accept his resignation, but that event 100% sealed the deal.

But the reports say Ainge informed the team he was stepping down in March.

I don't know re: the Kyrie comments, and I do think Danny was at least discussing it for some time. (But I do note that they do not ask Danny for a chance to revisit or clarify those comments at all.)

But also interesting in this 98.5 interview is Danny pretty much putting the kabash on Lawson as a candidate. Suggests many coach of the year candidates are retread, previously fired, NBA head coaches.

For me the only relation between Ainge leaving and his comments on Kyrie is just that he knew he was on the way out and so maybe he didn't really care about wording the his Kyrie comments as well as he should have. Like he had checked out already.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Listening to Danny's interview on 98.5 this morning: https://985thesportshub.com/podcasts/toucher-rich/. He's talking about wondering how much he'll miss from his position, but also uses the example of his wife having been scheduled to go to a relative's funeral without him--and now he will be able to join her. That to me doesn't make this sound like something that has been planned since March, though I know Danny has been weighing the possibility at least since then.

Interesting to hear his tik-tok on how it went down re: Danny's replacement.

Zero doubt in my mind that Ainge’s recent kyrie comments led to this. I dont know if it was ownership firing him politely or his way of getting them to accept his resignation, but that event 100% sealed the deal.

But the reports say Ainge informed the team he was stepping down in March.

Yes the positive PR Ainge released to the media said in March he tried to step down and ownership wanted him to reconsider.

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I'm just mystified as to why they kept Stevens. I get you owe him a ton of money. I thin the Boston Celtics can afford to pay him to stay home.

Don’t you think they asked stevens to do double duty? Stevens could have left. He can get a job tomorrow. He didn’t. They want him. Didn’t kick him up stairs. Lol.


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Had Stevens left at this point, he'd be leaving 10s of millions of dollars on the table. Not something he'd do IMO. And I don't think they asked Brad to do double duty. But if Thanks, Dad Grousbeck is really looking to Brad as his long-term GM, then IMO shame on him.

[31to6]

I still believe this is going to end up with an NBA team giving the Celtics a 1st round pick to get Brad Stevens out of his contract and come coach their team. I think it's inevitable in the next year or two.

Would bet this could happen in the future. Guessing Stevens was honest when he said he was burnt out and is looking forward to guide the team as we transition to new people.

Can that happen under the current CBA? I thought I vaguely remember the rules changing after we traded Doc to LAC, but does anyone know?

[bisme37]

Zero doubt in my mind that Ainge’s recent kyrie comments led to this. I dont know if it was ownership firing him politely or his way of getting them to accept his resignation, but that event 100% sealed the deal.

But the reports say Ainge informed the team he was stepping down in March.

Yes the positive PR Ainge released to the media said in March he tried to step down and ownership wanted him to reconsider.

Well ok. If you're not going to believe the facts that are out there I'm not going to be able to do anything about it. This has been in the works since the trade deadline according to everything I've read so that's what I'm going with. Any other theory is without evidence. Those Kyrie comments were less than a week ago and I can't even imagine all this came together in such a short time as far as Danny out and Brad taking his job, all while Brad was coaching a playoff series.

[SmartWentCrazy]

I still believe this is going to end up with an NBA team giving the Celtics a 1st round pick to get Brad Stevens out of his contract and come coach their team. I think it's inevitable in the next year or two.

Would bet this could happen in the future. Guessing Stevens was honest when he said he was burnt out and is looking forward to guide the team as we transition to new people.

Cant trade players and coaches IIRC

Can that happen under the current CBA? I thought I vaguely remember the rules changing after we traded Doc to LAC, but does anyone know?

[nic4747]

Listening to Danny's interview on 98.5 this morning: https://985thesportshub.com/podcasts/toucher-rich/. He's talking about wondering how much he'll miss from his position, but also uses the example of his wife having been scheduled to go to a relative's funeral without him--and now he will be able to join her. That to me doesn't make this sound like something that has been planned since March, though I know Danny has been weighing the possibility at least since then.

Interesting to hear his tik-tok on how it went down re: Danny's replacement.

Zero doubt in my mind that Ainge’s recent kyrie comments led to this. I dont know if it was ownership firing him politely or his way of getting them to accept his resignation, but that event 100% sealed the deal.

I don’t think the Kyrie comments had anything to do with it. The fact that it was announced right after the Nets series means the decision was made well in advance.

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But the reports say Ainge informed the team he was stepping down in March.

I don't know re: the Kyrie comments, and I do think Danny was at least discussing it for some time. (But I do note that they do not ask Danny for a chance to revisit or clarify those comments at all.)

But also interesting in this 98.5 interview is Danny pretty much putting the kabash on Lawson as a candidate. Suggests many coach of the year candidates are retread, previously fired, NBA head coaches.

For me the only relation between Ainge leaving and his comments on Kyrie is just that he knew he was on the way out and so maybe he didn't really care about wording the his Kyrie comments as well as he should have. Like he had checked out already.

Definitely a chance that's the case.

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JHTruth, here was your take to my suggestion of this scenario a few weeks ago (with a bonus take in advance from Fencer):

Re: Fire Brad Stevens.
Post#408 » by Fencer reregistered » Thu May 13, 2021 2:20 am

Interesting to hear the Felger and Mazz podcasts now re: the Celts. Talking about persistent rumors that Danny might be ready to step down, whether completely or into a consulting role, after this season. Then they also explore for example Gary W's reference to Stevens maybe having more say in the personnel this summer. And, again, Stevens has been yapping about his team being too small for the last two losses.

They are also talking about Jeff Goodman having said on EEI this weekend that Ainge's two choices are to move beyond Stevens or to trade Brown.

But I wonder if Stevens is angling to move up to Danny's role if Danny vacates the GM role. I don't see Stevens doing both roles next year, so perhaps he moves up and they bring in a new coach.

They are also chatting about Stevens maybe being tradable to Indy, since they reportedly want a new coach.

Brad would the worst GM in the league. Guy has no feel for legit NBA talent. He'd trade Rob Williams away for Baynes. Book it.

I don't subscribe to most extreme anti-Brad (or anti-anybody in sports) views.

But we've tried college-coach-doubling-as-GM, and it wasn't pretty. Let's not go near that again.

[Shak_Celts]

Danny was joking with Brad about doing both jobs and Wyc laughed but got serious and said, "at the Celtics those are two sperate jobs." Brad wasn't going to be offered both positions even if he wanted them.

[31to6]

Danny was joking with Brad about doing both jobs and Wyc laughed but got serious and said, "at the Celtics those are two sperate jobs." Brad wasn't going to be offered both positions even if he wanted them.

I guess that's a welcome position for ownership to have. And makes sense, especially with someone retiring for health-related reasons and another moving on from coaching due to burn-out.

Sort of like how Wyc has someone to dye his hair, and someone else to fluff it just so.

[Darth Celtic]

Imagine coming here for talk about new coach, Brad as a GM, and insider updates to find 90% posts of who is racists, sexist, and who is the most woke champion against it.....

Like, would be nice to fit some sports into that someplace since it is a SPORTS forum.

I wish we lived in a world where race was never used for anything except maybe ruling out genetic diseases.... But we don't. Hiring a black coach or white coach shouldn't matter because you take the best person regardless. But again, we don't. Because of the stupidity going on, we can stop mentioning white coaches. Like Cave said, if you think there is a chance of that, you just aren't paying attention.

In the end it's not really an issue as many like myself have pointed out, most of the best candidates at this time are black.

After days of reading about coaches track record, readiness, and styles i have my list.

1. Cassell
2. Billups
3. Larson

I don't have anyone on the list after that. In no way do I want a member of Brad's staff to get the job.