Last Train to Celticsville Trade Thread

[Andrew McCeltic]

We're going to deal Schroeder if we can. We're not winning this year and he's not coming back. Like Theis last season. Smith is just where the market is. He was a top 10 pick two years ago and Phoenix screwed up his contract.

[Ed Pinkney]

This Jalen Smith fella: I don't dislike him but I don't understand what we're going to do with him if we acquire him. Seems like a fairly average player at a position we don't really need to improve as much as the positions. So he's just a weird target to me. What am I missing?

Low price, high role-player upside

Yeah I guess but you could say that about a lot of young players. I just don't get why they're (reportedly) going after one at a position we don't really need. I'm not a Schroder fan at this point but the C's need ball handling and scoring more than another big to sit on the bench. Schroder for Smith makes the team even more imbalanced imo.

Another bigger trade perhaps involving Horford or Rob Williams in the works? So getting a young big stuck behind Ayton that the front office likes to replace them?

[Andrew McCeltic]

Who do you think we'd get for Horford?

[Curmudgeon]

Horford, Juancho, Schroder and Richardson for John Wall and Usman Garuba. You hate to give up Richardson, who is playing well, but....
1. Saves Tilman Fertitta a large chunk of change in 2022-23 (around $20-22M)
2. Gets Boston under the tax line in 2021-22
3. Solves the Schroder problem
4. Brings in a player who used to be an all-star point guard
5. Brings in a young player who yours truly likes alot
6. Provides a huge expiring contract to chase Moby Beal or someone of his ilk in 2022-23
7. Clears the way for Pritchard, Langford, Fernando and Nesmith to sink or swim.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Don't think JRich can be traded until past the deadline. Even if you could trade him, he's likely to have more value in the summer and next season. Schroeder can likely bring back someone better than Garuba. So you're basically taking on Wall's money without being compensated. Historically that kind of salary dump can get you a lottery pick! Or at least Christian Wood. Horford's a huge expiring next season, too, with a team option. Wall's 47 million probably makes it harder to match salary for a trade than Al's 27.

[Andrew McCeltic]

If we get Beal - which is a long shot - for our tons of picks and he pushes for Boston strategy - it's likely to be Al, JRich, Juancho and 2-3 picks / 2-3 swaps for Beal AND Davis Bertans. So look forward to that.

[Curmudgeon]

What's the difference between 3-4 players with expiring contracts and one player? The picks are the same. Horford and Juancho have zero basketball value for the Wizards. JRich has some value, but not much, because next year he'll be a rental too.
Beal isn't going to moved at the deadline unless Stevens is willing to part with Brown.

[Ed Pinkney]

Who do you think we'd get for Horford?

Absolutely no idea, but to be honest I would be VERY surprised if the Celtics traded him before the off season unless a big fish became available.

[Parliament10]

Here's my Wacky Trade Scenario.
Covers all the Celtics TPE's.

[Maple Green]

I dont like Wall may it cause another Kyle, Kemba and Fournier case.

[Andrew McCeltic]

I'd trade Jaylen for Isaac/Suggs/ORL 2022 unprotected 1sts

Feel bad for the Magic, they always had that weird varsity-veteran/JV split, finally moved off Gordon, EF and Vuc, now they've got a confusing roster again - three bigs, Isaac first-generation and paid, three point guards, Fultz first-generation and paid, and a couple of veteran wings. And Fultz/Isaac are working back from major injuries. Just an absolute f*cked franchise.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Who do you think we'd get for Horford?

Absolutely no idea, but to be honest I would be VERY surprised if the Celtics traded him before the off season unless a big fish became available.

It makes sense to keep him for the summer to see what's out there for his expiring. But: A. what if there's a deal to take some/all of his money off the books now and even return some value? Like, Nurkic/Covington or Nurkic/Nance, Gary Harris/Bamba for Al/Nesmith.. Al/Schroeder to Utah for Ingles and Clarkson. B. what if there's a deal for an expensive guy who makes more of a short-term impact? Like Portland offers McCollum, or Sacramento gives up Bagley/Hield..

[DarkAzcura]

This is a horrible take , They have been together Plenty of time to Gel ...
They aren't a great fit next to each other , If you can Trade Brown for someone that will be better for Tatum and the team you do it . If you wait around for them to " gel" and they don't and both become not satisfied being in Boston then you are looking at a long long time for another rebuild.
The Roster has to change and you need to Move Brown while people still think he is better then he actually is .

To be honest, they’ve always had other players a bit in the way if the goal was to see if Tatum/Brown could work together as the two ball dominant guys.

In 2018, we had Kyrie up until he was injured. Tatum/Brown got to the ECFs together after the injuries, but Horford was our central playmaker, and Rozier was just as important a scorer in those playoffs to some extent.

In 2019, Kyrie and Hayward were back. Even Morris was taking more shots than Brown, and Tatum was barely taking more shots than Morris. Obviously this year was a fail, but Brown/Tatum were far from being the number 1/2 guys on this team.

In 2020, Kemba was the number 1 option for the beginning of the season until Tatum took over. Brown was still “fighting” with Hayward for who was the 3rd option in this season, though. It could be argued, Hayward was our 3rd option to be honest with his playmaking ability. So here, you had a situation where Tatum was the number 1 option but Brown was arguably the 4th option depending on the night.

In 2021, this was the first season where Tatum and Brown were definitely the number 1 and 2 guys. This was only last season. Even then, Kemba was constantly trying to re-assert himself as at least the 2nd option so that didn’t really help with Tatum/Brown gelling.

And now, we are here, 2022, and yeah, this is the 2nd full season where Tatum and Brown are the center and the core. The 2 guys, and that’s it.

I actually wouldn’t say they have had a lot of time to figure out how to work together on their own to be honest. That’s why some of us want to see the Celtics get a real knockdown shooter and playmaker before they give up on Tatum/Brown.

What Good is it to have a knock down shooter when you have two guys who from game to game decide to not pass the ball even when they can't hit anything themself ?
Im no Insider but I know for a 100% fact that the reason Hayward wanted out is Because he hated playing with Jaylen , And like him or not Hayward is EXACTLY the player you want in between these two . I Understand not wanting to give up Jaylen fora simple change , But if the change makes the overall team fit better then by all means we should do it .
I mean if we just charge ahead and hope things change if we add another shooter and we end up a first round exit for the next few years and then they BOTH bounce to another team ... Where does that leave us ?

We need to make the Roster BETTER , if you can do that without trading Brown .. By all means but I don't know if his basketball IQ is ever going to be what a winning team needs as the #2 Guy

I think the way the players dealt with the Hayward situation was very immature. I don't disagree with that. Only two things there. Brown (and Tatum) are older now and should be more mature about that kind of stuff especially now that Brown's role is absolutely secure where in the past it was in question. He was competing with Hayward in his mind.

Second thing, if we get a knockdown shooter, it is most likely a role player. Very different situation than the one with Hayward. Brown isn't averse to passing the ball, but it definitely felt like he would freeze Hayward out a bit. If we get knockdown shooters, its with the idea that the shooters will play off of Tatum/Brown rather than Brown playing off of Hayward.

Just different situations.

I won't defend Tatum and Brown being selfish; they definitely can be at times, but also, look at what is around them shooting wise. I want them to make the right basketball play every time, but I would second guess passing if I was constantly passing to sub 30% shooters from 3. If they pull that crap with a 40% absolutely knockdown 3PT shooter ala Seth Curry, Duncan Robinson, Herro, :cough: Strus, then yeah, we got a problem.

[playa-hater]

Here's my Wacky Trady Scenario.
Covers all the Celtics TPE's.

I certainly would do this trade.

[TSmith0197]

What's the difference between 3-4 players with expiring contracts and one player? The picks are the same. Horford and Juancho have zero basketball value for the Wizards. JRich has some value, but not much, because next year he'll be a rental too.
Beal isn't going to moved at the deadline unless Stevens is willing to part with Brown.

We get it you don’t think Jaylen Brown is that good.

[Curmudgeon]

This has nothing to do with my view of Brown. It's a proposal to deal Horford and get under the tax. I have no idea if John Wall even dons a Celtics uniform. But he's potentially a supersized Theo Ratliff a year from now. And if he does play, I bet he's better than Schroder.

[CelticFaninLBC]

Horford, Juancho, Schroder and Richardson for John Wall and Usman Garuba. You hate to give up Richardson, who is playing well, but....
1. Saves Tilman Fertitta a large chunk of change in 2022-23 (around $20-22M)
2. Gets Boston under the tax line in 2021-22
3. Solves the Schroder problem
4. Brings in a player who used to be an all-star point guard
5. Brings in a young player who yours truly likes alot
6. Provides a huge expiring contract to chase Moby Beal or someone of his ilk in 2022-23
7. Clears the way for Pritchard, Langford, Fernando and Nesmith to sink or swim.

Can't see Stevens making a deal to make the team worse.

[Curmudgeon]

Horford, Juancho, Schroder and Richardson for John Wall and Usman Garuba. You hate to give up Richardson, who is playing well, but....
1. Saves Tilman Fertitta a large chunk of change in 2022-23 (around $20-22M)
2. Gets Boston under the tax line in 2021-22
3. Solves the Schroder problem
4. Brings in a player who used to be an all-star point guard
5. Brings in a young player who yours truly likes alot
6. Provides a huge expiring contract to chase Moby Beal or someone of his ilk in 2022-23
7. Clears the way for Pritchard, Langford, Fernando and Nesmith to sink or swim.

Can't see Stevens making a deal to make the team worse.

How much worse? If you prefer, put Langford and Nesmith into the deal instead of Richardson. As for Horford, he's not the player he was three years ago. What frightens me is if Stevens gives up a first round pick to unload Schroder and/or Hernangomez. just like he did to unload Kemba. This team desperately needs to hit on picks.

[CelticFaninLBC]

Horford, Juancho, Schroder and Richardson for John Wall and Usman Garuba. You hate to give up Richardson, who is playing well, but....
1. Saves Tilman Fertitta a large chunk of change in 2022-23 (around $20-22M)
2. Gets Boston under the tax line in 2021-22
3. Solves the Schroder problem
4. Brings in a player who used to be an all-star point guard
5. Brings in a young player who yours truly likes alot
6. Provides a huge expiring contract to chase Moby Beal or someone of his ilk in 2022-23
7. Clears the way for Pritchard, Langford, Fernando and Nesmith to sink or swim.

Can't see Stevens making a deal to make the team worse.

How much worse? If you prefer, put Langford and Nesmith into the deal instead of Richardson. As for Horford, he's not the player he was three years ago. What frightens me is if Stevens gives up a first round pick to unload Schroder and/or Hernangomez. just like he did to unload Kemba. This team desperately needs to hit on picks.

I wouldn't give Houston Richardson, Nesmith or Langford.

[Curmudgeon]

Can't see Stevens making a deal to make the team worse.

How much worse? If you prefer, put Langford and Nesmith into the deal instead of Richardson. As for Horford, he's not the player he was three years ago. What frightens me is if Stevens gives up a first round pick to unload Schroder and/or Hernangomez. just like he did to unload Kemba. This team desperately needs to hit on picks.

I wouldn't give Houston Richardson, Nesmith or Langford.

Then you pay the tax.

This started out as a proposal to trade Horford. The issue came up; I'm not the one who raised it. Obviously Stevens can do whatever it takes to unload Hernangomez and Schroder to try to avoid the tax while keeping everyone else. But a price will have to be paid. Other teams are not in the business of helping the Celtics for nothing.