2024 NBA Draft Thread – (June 26 & 27)

[brackdan70]

Any good update on who the Cs have worked out?

[Dogen]

I dreamt of Big Al coaching Ulrich Chomche.

I've been spouting noise about getting the high floor guy, solid 3 year player with decent college stats, ready to plug and play off the bench, etc.

BUT, if it turns out that Brad sees something in Chomche and takes a swing at #30, I'd actually be pretty psyched.

[165bows]

So I don't want guys that profile as regular season minutes eater, I want someone that has a chance (obivously not super likely at that spot of the draft) to be a playoff rotation guy down the line.

These are the draft picks and UDFA signings by the Celtics since 2019.



There's 16 guys on here. There's 5 of them who have gotten rotation mins in the playoffs somewhere:

Hauser
Pritchard
Strus
Grant
Nesmith

-All 5 of them were high floor, low ceiling guys
-All 5 were 20.5 or older on draft night (all played 2+ seasons of college ball)
-All became really good shooters in the NBA (4 of them were really good shooters in college. Grant developed as a shooter a ton after getting drafted, due to work ethic and good coaching)

Anyone familiar with this David Jones who transferred to Memphis and put up a great year? Surprised he doesn’t get more mock draft attention he’d be on mine (if I made one).

https://youtu.be/AHjkAlX0t70?feature=shared
https://www.si.com/nba/draft/prospect-profiles/nba-draft-scouting-report-memphis-david-jones-01hxzvajbdyf

[playa-hater]

Updated Mock Draft from

https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/

has us Getting Tristan da Silva.

I haven't even considered him to be possibly available and Yet Players Rise and Fall. Soo..

I would definitely be intrigued by a 6'9ish Wing for sure.

[djFan71]

Updated Mock Draft from

https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/

has us Getting Tristan da Silva.

I haven't even considered him to be possibly available and Yet Players Rise and Fall. Soo..

I would definitely be intrigued by a 6'9ish Wing for sure.

That's my dream draft. I would trade up for him. Getting him without that would be brilliant. Take Ajay Mitchell with the 2nd pick to make it perfect.

[djFan71]

In that mock, Trey Alexander is the main outlier above Da Silva. Everyone else you can kinda see. And Edey & Klintman are below him. Scheiermann too. I've seen them all as 1st rounders.

So, it's possible. Sixers, Cavs, Magic are the ones I've seen taking him before. They get Topic, Tyson and Furphy. I would think Da Silva over Furhphy, but who knows? Washington is where I was hoping to trade up previously.

Maybe Da Silva will be our Bane. Consistent producer, high floor guy that drops to 30 and the team that takes ends up with him looks like a genius.

[Kalela]

Any good update on who the Cs have worked out?

They keep an updated list here for all the teams. Few decent players on there. Trentyn Flowers is my favorite from that list. He is a young, uber-athletic wing who plays hard.

[redslastlaugh]

Who is the better prospect between Harrison Ingram and Anton Watson, as a multipositional Grant Williams type of frontcourt player?

One of the guys the Celtics had in for a recent workout is Anton Watson. There's actually a 52 minute highlight vid for him - all from this past season..here it is:

Watch on YouTube

Could be a nice find at 30. Andrew Nembhard was a 4 year player and played for Gonzaga for two years. Drafted at 31.

Not comparing players, necessarily, as they play different positions. And I'm watching game 4 against the Pacers. Dude is going off tonight. Would be happy to see the Celtics nab a quality college player with experience. Thing is, is he worth a first round pick and get the guaranteed rookie contract.

I believe Watson is projected to be a late 2nd round pick, or possibly go undrafted.

So we could probably snag him in 2nd round..or as UDFA..

[hugepatsfan]

Honestly. Brad could trade out next 5 first rounders to move up and draft one of you and I’ll blindly trust whatever he does at this point lol

[165bows]

Who is the better prospect between Harrison Ingram and Anton Watson, as a multipositional Grant Williams type of frontcourt player?

Could be a nice find at 30. Andrew Nembhard was a 4 year player and played for Gonzaga for two years. Drafted at 31.

Not comparing players, necessarily, as they play different positions. And I'm watching game 4 against the Pacers. Dude is going off tonight. Would be happy to see the Celtics nab a quality college player with experience. Thing is, is he worth a first round pick and get the guaranteed rookie contract.

I believe Watson is projected to be a late 2nd round pick, or possibly go undrafted.

So we could probably snag him in 2nd round..or as UDFA..

Good question. Idk the answer but I think Watson is more of a 4 and Ingram more of a 3 though I think that both guys have some versatility on the defensive end as a plus.

[Hal14]

Who is the better prospect between Harrison Ingram and Anton Watson, as a multipositional Grant Williams type of frontcourt player?

I believe Watson is projected to be a late 2nd round pick, or possibly go undrafted.

So we could probably snag him in 2nd round..or as UDFA..

Good question. Idk the answer but I think Watson is more of a 4 and Ingram more of a 3 though I think that both guys have some versatility on the defensive end as a plus.

I think both of their ideal positions is the 4 (both played mostly the 4 this season).

But Ingram is more of a 4/3..whereas Watson is more of a 4/5.

I think we have more of a need for a guy to contribute at the 5.

With that being said, I have more confidence in Ingram as a shooter, Ingram is about 2 yrs younger..and he was more impactful this season, while playing in a tougher conference - and on a better team. So Ingram is higher on my big board..and I'd take him if position wasn't a factor..but Ingram is also projected to go higher than Watson.

I wouldn't mind either. Both are a little bit slow-footed though..and we've seen this season that sometimes Hauser (and Kornet too) has struggled to keep up when the pace of the game gets really fast..

[redslastlaugh]

Thanks for the reply. What made me ask is I saw a new big board from draft analyst Richard Stayman and he had Anton Watson just out of the top 30 which was the highest I’d seen him.

https://mavsdraft.substack.com/p/big-board-20

Who is the better prospect between Harrison Ingram and Anton Watson, as a multipositional Grant Williams type of frontcourt player?

Good question. Idk the answer but I think Watson is more of a 4 and Ingram more of a 3 though I think that both guys have some versatility on the defensive end as a plus.

I think both of their ideal positions is the 4 (both played mostly the 4 this season).

But Ingram is more of a 4/3..whereas Watson is more of a 4/5.

I think we have more of a need for a guy to contribute at the 5.

With that being said, I have more confidence in Ingram as a shooter, Ingram is about 2 yrs younger..and he was more impactful this season, while playing in a tougher conference - and on a better team. So Ingram is higher on my big board..and I'd take him if position wasn't a factor..but Ingram is also projected to go higher than Watson.

I wouldn't mind either. Both are a little bit slow-footed though..and we've seen this season that sometimes Hauser (and Kornet too) has struggled to keep up when the pace of the game gets really fast..

[djFan71]

Thanks for the reply. What made me ask is I saw a new big board from draft analyst Richard Stayman and he had Anton Watson just out of the top 30 which was the highest I’d seen him.

https://mavsdraft.substack.com/p/big-board-20

Oh nice, he's a Jalen Bridges fan as well. If we trade back, he'd be great. I wouldn't hate him at 30, but don't see it happening.
And he has Da Silva 12. Hopefully he's wrong on that, lol.

EDIT: They did an article on him: https://mavsdraft.substack.com/p/jalen-bridges-scouting-report

[redslastlaugh]

Bridges seems like a prototype modern NBA role player, from what I’ve seen, in the mold of Royce ONeal, Robert Covington types.

A lot of big boards have him in the 50s but it wouldn’t surprise me if Bridges went much higher, even late first on draft night. Because that type of player you at least know what you have, and if the shooting holds up you’re looking at Wes Matthews or somebody like that who has a 15 year career.

Thanks for the reply. What made me ask is I saw a new big board from draft analyst Richard Stayman and he had Anton Watson just out of the top 30 which was the highest I’d seen him.

https://mavsdraft.substack.com/p/big-board-20

Oh nice, he's a Jaylen Bridges fan as well. If we trade back, he'd be great. I wouldn't hate him at 30, but don't see it happening.
And he has Da Silva 12. Hopefully he's wrong on that, lol.

EDIT: They did an article on him: https://mavsdraft.substack.com/p/jalen-bridges-scouting-report

[djFan71]

Bridges seems like a prototype modern NBA role player, from what I’ve seen, in the mold of Royce ONeal, Robert Covington types.

A lot of big boards have him in the 50s but it wouldn’t surprise me if Bridges went much higher, even late first on draft night. Because that type of player you at least know what you have, and if the shooting holds up you’re looking at Wes Matthews or somebody like that who has a 15 year career.

Yeah, I think first half 2nd round, maybe early 1st half. I'm settling in on:

1) Trade up for Da Silva
2) Hope Da Silva, Tyson or Holmes drop to 30. Though Holmes has the rumored promise.
3) Trade back with POR and take Bridges and Mitchell.
4) Take one of those 2 at 30. Hope the other drops to 54. Go to back up list if not.

1 & 2 seem pretty unlikely, but I'll hold out hope, lol.

[165bows]

Quentin Post for the Luke Kornet of Maine.

[Hal14]

Bridges seems like a prototype modern NBA role player, from what I’ve seen, in the mold of Royce ONeal, Robert Covington types.

A lot of big boards have him in the 50s but it wouldn’t surprise me if Bridges went much higher, even late first on draft night. Because that type of player you at least know what you have, and if the shooting holds up you’re looking at Wes Matthews or somebody like that who has a 15 year career.

Thanks for the reply. What made me ask is I saw a new big board from draft analyst Richard Stayman and he had Anton Watson just out of the top 30 which was the highest I’d seen him.

https://mavsdraft.substack.com/p/big-board-20

Oh nice, he's a Jaylen Bridges fan as well. If we trade back, he'd be great. I wouldn't hate him at 30, but don't see it happening.
And he has Da Silva 12. Hopefully he's wrong on that, lol.

EDIT: They did an article on him: https://mavsdraft.substack.com/p/jalen-bridges-scouting-report

I wouldn't mind it if we got Bridges in like the mid to late 2nd round or as an UDFA pickup.

But just throwing it out there, since you seem confident that he could be like a Royce O'Neal, Covington, Wes Matthews Type. These are the usage % for each of those guys during their pre-draft season:

Robert Covington: 28.1
Wes Matthews: 25.1
Jalen Bridges: 17.5
Royce O'Neal: 16.3 (went undrafted, probably because guys w/ such low usage don't typically get drafted. O'Neal then went overseas, where he played 2 seasons, had a usage of 22.4 and 21.3, *then* got signed by an NBA team.

I know that it might seem like you could just take a guy who is a low usage, off ball, 3&D type of guy in college, put them in the NBA & they'll thrive in that role in the NBA. But the data I looked up suggests the opposite. There are some exceptions (like with anything) but for the most part, the guys in the league right now who thrive in a low usage, off ball type of role (the Covingtons, Buddy Hields, the Hauser's, Pritchards, Grant Williams, Tauren Prince, Draymond, Klay, Caldwell-Pope, Desmond Banes of the world) were actually high usage guys (22% or higher) during their pre-draft season.

I talk more about these findings here:

Read on Twitter

[djFan71]

Spoiler:

Bridges seems like a prototype modern NBA role player, from what I’ve seen, in the mold of Royce ONeal, Robert Covington types.

A lot of big boards have him in the 50s but it wouldn’t surprise me if Bridges went much higher, even late first on draft night. Because that type of player you at least know what you have, and if the shooting holds up you’re looking at Wes Matthews or somebody like that who has a 15 year career.

Oh nice, he's a Jaylen Bridges fan as well. If we trade back, he'd be great. I wouldn't hate him at 30, but don't see it happening.
And he has Da Silva 12. Hopefully he's wrong on that, lol.

EDIT: They did an article on him: https://mavsdraft.substack.com/p/jalen-bridges-scouting-report

I wouldn't mind it if we got Bridges in like the mid to late 2nd round or as an UDFA pickup.

But just throwing it out there, since you seem confident that he could be like a Royce O'Neal, Covington, Wes Matthews Type. These are the usage % for each of those guys during their pre-draft season:

Robert Covington: 28.1
Wes Matthews: 25.1
Jalen Bridges: 17.5
Royce O'Neal: 16.3 (went undrafted, probably because guys w/ such low usage don't typically get drafted. O'Neal then went overseas, where he played 2 seasons, had a usage of 22.4 and 21.3, *then* got signed by an NBA team.

I know that it might seem like you could just take a guy who is a low usage, off ball, 3&D type of guy in college, put them in the NBA & they'll thrive in that role in the NBA. But the data I looked up suggests the opposite. There are some exceptions (like with anything) but for the most part, the guys in the league right now who thrive in a low usage, off ball type of role (the Covingtons, Buddy Hields, the Hauser's, Pritchards, Grant Williams, Tauren Prince, Draymond, Klay, Caldwell-Pope, Desmond Banes of the world) were actually high usage guys (22% or higher) during their pre-draft season.

I talk more about these findings here:

Read on Twitter

I think Klay and Bane are poor low-usage off-ball examples, not sure I'd lead with them, but the rest of the list does have a lot of guys I'd consider that role. It's a good theory and examples backing it up. To me it does kinda prove that most players that have been drafted have been high-usage. But I'm not sure it necessarily proves that a low usage college guy can't translate in a low-usage pro role. Also, I think drafting historically has been overlooking those guys and focusing more on high usage by default. You almost need the opposite list to really prove the point - low usage guys that were drafted and see if they did / didn't pan out.

As you say, some of the guys at the bottom are pretty good exceptions - Duncan, Connaughton, Melton, Murphy. Bridges could be in that exception category due to his teammates this year.

[redslastlaugh]

Official measurements released a couple days ago from the top Euro prospects:

https://www.leaguehim.com/news/2024-nba-treviso-draft-combine-measurements

Looks like all the major prospects measured pretty well, no downside shockers anyway.

Juan Nunez at 6-4 (no shoes) and weight of 205 is good size for a PG

Zaccharie Risacher
Height: 6'8.5'' without shoes
Weight: 194.6 lbs
Wingspan: 6'9.5''
Standing Reach: 8' 11''
Hand Length: 8.50''
Hand Width: 8.75''

Nikola Topic
Height: 6' 5.75'' without shoes
Weight: 203.0 lbs
Wingspan: 6' 5.5''
Standing Reach: 8' 6''
Hand Length: 8.00''
Hand Width: 9.00''

Tidjane Saluan
Height: 6' 8.75'' without shoes
Weight: 217.4 lbs
Wingspan: 7' 1.5''
Standing Reach: 9' 2''
Hand Length: 8.50''
Hand Width: 9.75''

Pacome Dadiet
Height: 6' 7.75'' without shoes
Weight: 216.8 lbs
Wingspan: 6' 9''
Standing Reach: 8' 11.5''
Hand Length: 8.50''
Hand Width: 9.00''

Melvin Adjinca
Height: 6' 7.25'' without shoes
Weight: 213.8 lbs
Wingspan: 6' 7.5''
Standing Reach: 8' 10.5''
Hand Length: 8.50''
Hand Width: 9.75''

Juan Nunez
Height: 6' 4'' without shoes
Weight: 205.6 lbs
Wingspan: 6' 6.5''
Standing Reach: 8' 6''
Hand Length: 8.50''
Hand Width: 9.50''

[Bill Lumbergh]

If Ainge was still in charge, he'd be all over KJ Simpson. He loved him some small guards, and Simpson is really talented. I don't think Brad wants small guards. Apropos of nothing, I just happened to watch his highlights.