Hard to Believe Ainge will Make any Move Soon Trade Thread

[FlatearthZorro]

Celtics with tatum can beat philly with no issues. Kemba on a min restriction as well. But to be an ELITE team we need 1 more big piece. It has to come via trade TPE. I like the teams potential once again. But we need 1 more game changing piece.

To be a championship squad. We need to get rid of Thompson/Teague/ make Grant the 14th-15th man on the roster. This to me means adding 3 quality role players. I said it 3-4 times, I believe we can compete for a championship. Non of these teams is that scary to me or unbeatable.

I gotta admit Danny has done a really poor job of adding any useful role players the past 3-4 years. Thompson is washed up, Teague should retire, Grant and Carsen both look like busts.

Tatum and Brown absolutely deserve better. I'm not sure there is a team in playoff contention with worse bench than ours.

[FlatearthZorro]

If we're that desperate, I would actually look into Ross- Tucker. Ross would be much easier to acquire imo and Tucker I dunno. I have no idea what his price tag is. We need vets, I can't stand watching this bench anymore. This is TRASH. Also, really disappointed in Brad, Theis again played well last night, Thompson WHO WAS AWFUL and had 2 good plays the entire game played in the clutch, before that Bobby and Grant played in the 4th. I don't know what Brad sees, but PC Brad is starting to really get on my nerves and it's taking him 5-10 games to realize a player sucks ASSSS which is obvious in 3-4.

[Floody100]

Remember when people were saying they would trade Brown for KAT in a ‘heartbeat’. Think we can put that too bed although I’d happily have KAT join Brown & Tatum

[CelticFaninLBC]

Vucevic would be nice of course but the Celtics don’t need that high end of a center. Celtics just need a big man that can defend and grab rebounds

Like who? Most teams spend a lot on size.

[Squigglepuffin]

Celtics with tatum can beat philly with no issues. Kemba on a min restriction as well. But to be an ELITE team we need 1 more big piece. It has to come via trade TPE. I like the teams potential once again. But we need 1 more game changing piece.

I gotta admit Danny has done a really poor job of adding any useful role players the past 3-4 years.

Even if we're just talking first round picks - having #14, #20 (turned into #33), #22 in 2019 and #14, #26, and #30 this year - how is it possible that we don't have a solid bench?

Those picks were golden opportunities to set the team up for multiple runs at championships. They were golden opportunities to build depth at the least.

At the moment (although I haven't given up on Langford) we have nothing to show from the 2019 draft. We didn't improve as a result of those three picks. Grant Williams and Carsen Edwards are addition by subtraction, and Romeo just can't stay healthy. At this point it's like the 2019 draft never happened for the Celtics.

The 2020 draft was frustrating but Ainge did well in choosing Pritchard at #26. It's too early to give up on Nesmith. We traded away #30 for two second rounders I believe - which is okay in a void but the team needs talent and depth now this season, which was there at #30.

The overall poor drafting in 2019 and 2020 is imo a major, major reason our bench is so bad.

[Drax]

I look at our current situation the way GSW was built before they won the first championship. Two talented youngster and a solid team arround them. But they needed a 30year old Andre Iguodala trade to make them legit.

Who could be our Iggy? A allstar type player who left his ego in the closet but still has a couple more productive years in him and does whatever is asked of him.

[SmartWentCrazy]

If I were Ainge, I’d be calling Houston and offering Grant Williams for PJ Tucker right now. Houston gets a former FRP with similar tools that they can try to develop, Boston gets the player theyre hoping Grant can be.

[JRoy]

4 team trade to get some length, depth and shooting (It'd probably make more sense as 2 separate trades, BOS-UTA and BOS-POR-SAC). Disclaimer- have to wait until Feb 18th and Feb 20th to get a deal done.

BOS sends Theis and Semi Ojeleye to UTA, Carsen Edwards to POR, Javonte Green and 2021 FRP to SAC
BOS gets Derrick Favors and 2026 SRP from UTA, Harry Giles from POR, Nemanja Bjelica from SAC

UTA sends Derrick Favors and 2026 SRP to BOS
UTA gets Theis and Semi Ojeleye from BOS

POR sends Harry Giles to BOS, Anfernee Simmons and 2022 SRP to SAC
POR gets Carsen Edwards from BOS

SAC sends Nemanja Bjelica to BOS
SAC gets Javonte Green and 2021 FRP from BOS, Anfernee Simmons and 2022 SRP from SAC


Why for BOS: first of all, get Bjelica as the 4th starter who can score and be a playmaker. Then, upgrading in terms of length from Theis to Favors, who cannot shoot the 3, but is a better rebounder and rim protector and can be a starter alongside Kemba/Brown/Tatum/Bjelica, as Tristan/Timelord come to play center off the bench. Also, get Giles as a reclamation project/Tatum's buddy. About roster flexibility, you avoid Theis payday (and maybe even Semi's), while taking on 3 years of a mid-size contract in Favors, who, alongside Timelord's development, could make TT expendable, or you could even combine both Favors and Tristan to get a 20M player next season.

Why for UTA: they're 2.5M over the tax (per Spotrac), this way they get under the tax line while getting quality depth in Theis/Ojeleye, the SRP is well worth it.

Why for POR: they are 0.6M (per Spotrac) under the tax, and they have 14 players on their roster and a two-way. So if they want to get a vet min player, the money might not work. So, getting rid of Giles and Simmons and taking on Edwards they get the cap room to sign 2 vet min players. Of course they could find other ways, but giving up a SRP isn't the end of the world.

Why for SAC: Bjelica may be too good for tanking, but in fact he's getting 15 minutes per game, and if you can get a first and a second for an expiring contract, while taking on Anfernee Simmons and immediately waive Javonte Green (sorry for the kid), you should do it.


After the trades, Danny should call Isaiah Thomas and sign him for the vet min, so the Celtics would have available

guards (6) Kemba,Smart,Teague, PP, IT, Waters
wings (6) Brown,Tatum,Bjelica,Grant, Romeo, Nesmith
bigs (5) Favors/TT/Timelord/Giles/Tacko

Better depth, more length and no need for that 2021 first round pick when you have so many kids on the roster.

POR is not paying that for Carson Edwards

Thanks for your insight.

They wouldn't be paying for Carsen Edwards, but for the chance to acquire veteran help at the deadline without entering tax territory. Of course they could find another deal, but they can't sign a vet min guy as is.

There’s a better deal out there

[SmartWentCrazy]

If Pritchard really blew out his knee, I’d also be calling OKC and offering Edwards + some 2’s for George Hill.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Adding Hill and Tucker while sending out Grant and Edwards keeps us under the tax and gets us guys who actually know how to play ball. It’d be a massive upgrade for us.

[Feed Your Head]

Adding Hill and Tucker while sending out Grant and Edwards keeps us under the tax and gets us guys who actually know how to play ball. It’d be a massive upgrade for us.

They’d both be awesome here, and would actually knock down open threes.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Adding Hill and Tucker while sending out Grant and Edwards keeps us under the tax and gets us guys who actually know how to play ball. It’d be a massive upgrade for us.

They’d both be awesome here, and would actually knock down open threes.

No sense in waiting IMO. Just get it done and let the team figure out chemistry

[Tai]

Adding Hill and Tucker while sending out Grant and Edwards keeps us under the tax and gets us guys who actually know how to play ball. It’d be a massive upgrade for us.

Sounds good for us, but I just feel like those teams can get better deals than Grant and Edwards.

[jmr07019]

Barnes or Gordon? Why not both?

Nesmith and a first for Barnes into TPE

Romeo, Thompson and a first for A Gordon. Might need to throw in another cheap contract (Grant) to make salaries work.

Kemba / Pritchard
Brown / Smart
Tatum
Barnes / A Gordon
Theis / R will

That’s your top 9 with Teague and Semi the deep bench. That is a serious upgrade over what we have now

[Celtics_Champs]

I agree that whatever they do they should do as soon as they can. No reason to wait on building chemistry just because you may be able to get a slightly better deal at the deadline.

Get it done, Daniel.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Adding Hill and Tucker while sending out Grant and Edwards keeps us under the tax and gets us guys who actually know how to play ball. It’d be a massive upgrade for us.

Sounds good for us, but I just feel like those teams can get better deals than Grant and Edwards.

To be honest, I’m not sure if Houston could get more for an expiring Tucker than a former FRP who once flashed intriguing potential.

Fair on Hill, was hoping the value would moreso be on the volume of 2’s we’d send.

[themoneyteam2]

Ainge and Zarren seem like smart guys but it’s concerning when they say “we like our all guys”. Does he really not see the lack of talent behind the top 3 guys on the team? Nobody scares opposing defenses and the bench is horrific. Pretty obvious they need another scorer or two

[JediMasterRevan]

Our calling card has been defense when we've overachieved the last 3 times we've gone deep in playoffs.

That needs to tighten down. When it does we will have a shot because our offensive stars have gotten so much better this year. Especially Jaylen.

I still think we need one more decent wing and I'm starting to get the feeling we need to pull thr plug on Teague and go get a pg.

This is the way I'd play this with the TPE if I could
#1 choice Gordon
#2 choice George Hill and PJ Tucker
#3 choice Barnes

Hill and Tucker are less money and you could probably absorb both with broken up TPE and I dont think either is gonna command a Haul.

Hard to be good defensively when your pg is small and a bad, easily picked on defender and your center rotation has no rebounding or rim protection.

[cl2117]

BOS in: Hassan Whiteside, Garrett Temple, PJ Tucker
BOS out: Tristan Thompson, Carsen Edwards, Javonte Green, 2021 BOS first (top 20 protected), 2023 HOU 2nd, 2025 MEM 2nd

SAC in: 2023 HOU 2nd, 2025 MEM 2nd, Luke Kornet
SAC out: Hassan Whiteside

CHI in: Tristan Thompson, Javonte Green, 2021 BOS first (top 20 protected)
CHI out: Garrett Temple, Luke Kornet, 2022 CHI second, NOP 2021 second

HOU in: 2022 CHI second, NOP 2021 second, Carsen Edwards
HOU out: PJ tucker

Whole new bench, only costs us our worst center (TT), a late first and seconds.

I'm down to trade Grant or Nesmith in any deal using the TPE to land a serious upgrade like Oladipo or Vuc/Gordon.

I think there are smaller moves we can make without blowing the Hayward TPE on guys who are expiring (Dipo) or not long-term fits (Barnes). Whiteside I feel like makes all the sense in the world given what it would cost to get him.

TT should be the odd man out. He's available to trade in Feb and he's enough salary that we could make a deal without dipping into the TPE.

[SmartWentCrazy]

I guess the reason I want to add Hill and Tucker so bad is that, with the leaps Tatum and Brown have taken, I truly believe we could make a run to the finals. Getting vets would make a MASSIVE difference for us.