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Bar Fight wrote::lol: If we couldn't beat the Heat with Vincent/Lowry/Strus/Martin as their guard rotation, just imagine what Spo would do to us with Dame.
Bar Fight wrote::lol: If we couldn't beat the Heat with Vincent/Lowry/Strus/Martin as their guard rotation, just imagine what Spo would do to us with Dame.
chrisab123 wrote:djFan71 wrote:This is in the Dame stays scenario. POR uses 3 & Simons + to get him help.
Assumptions: JB is very low/zero possibility of resigning in POR. Much more likely to in ATL.
BOS: 3, Simons, Jalen Johnson, 29 ATL first (top 4?) for Brown
POR: Dejounte Murray, Okongwu for 3, Simons
ATL: Brown for DJM, Kong, 29 first
Murray is also expiring, but is from the Pacific NW (Seattle, went to UW), so Blazers feel better about resigning him than brown. And they get a big in this sceario.
Brown from ATL, so they feel better about resigning him. And fix the weird fit between DJM and Trae.
You can tweak the params (add PP, more picks, etc). But the basis seems viable for all 3 teams.
More depth but worse than the team we just saw last week. How does this make Tatum want to stay? They're more or less stuck with Brown and signing him to the max. If they go even a dollar less, my guess is that he's out of here. Tatum will take some selling even though he could get 300 + million from the Celtics.
exculpatory wrote:Dame & Jayson & a quality big would be unbeatable.
And yeah, a real coach.
EWINGtheory wrote:chrisab123 wrote:Dame doesn't want to be here. Cross him off the list and move on. This org views Smart is untradeable anyways so it makes sense to focus on proposals to help the front court. Guys like Trey Young or Dame, they don't want to be here and deal with the weather and the lack of nightlife and lack on endorsements and taxes. All of those things together make Boston very unattractive. This is a place where the players would choose over somewhere like Charlotte or Indiana or Utah for sure. But these players don't really care about winning and the ones that do only remember one title with this franchise. 17 Titles don't matter to them if you missed 16 of those.
Huge difference between Miami or Brooklyn being your top choice and not willing to come to Boston at all and it’s a big leap to make that assumption. Dame just spent a decade plus in Portland Oregon and refused to leave time and time again , how’s that nightlife?
zoyathedestroya wrote:
Wow. What?
fallguy wrote:
Cricket23 wrote:watsonthedragon wrote:Just wanted to cross-post my rant from reddit on the new CBA here:
I think people immediately shutting down any and all JB trade ideas aren’t aware of just how drastic the changes to the CBA are going to be. It’s like a completely different league moving forward and it may be impossible to build a team around two guys taking up 70% of the cap unless they’re SO good that the pieces around them don’t matter.
It’s the same reason that it’s more or a less a guarantee that one of the 3 guards (likely Brogdon) is going to be moved this summer, and probably for not much of a return. We HAVE to shed money soon.
I’m pretty disappointed in the NBAPA. They’re totally screwing over the middle class of the league and teams built the “right way” from the ground up and fans are going to be getting a lesser product. The days of keeping “cores” together for years (see GSW or us) is probably going away and we’re going to just see contenders shuffling rookie-scale and minimum salary guys around supermax guys year to year.
All of this to say that there is (unfortunately) value to exploring moving on from JB unless you TRULY believe that he and JT are good enough to win on their own. They’re never going to have a team as good as this past years around them, and that sucks. I just think the recipe for success under the new CBA is probably one supermax guy, an all-star caliber guy on a rookie contract, and then filling out around them with more space.
Anyway, sorry for the rant but this new CBA is ****. I highly recommend you guys read up or listen to some podcasts on it because it truly is changing the landscape of the league, and I’m not over-exaggerating.
There's truth to this but Boston is actually in good shape compared to other contenders. Boston could dump Brogdon for a cheap asset, re-sign Grant Williams, and easily duck the luxury tax this year. So, they're not in real bad shape. The issues don't come until it's time to supermax Tatum. Brown is on a good salary this coming year so there's no rush to trade him. After a year it becomes a good conversation to have. Why would Brown agree to extend with another team this year when he can just wait a year and go wherever he wants for the same money? If he doesn't agree to extend, Boston is losing major value. The trade Brown now talk is illogical. With Brown, Boston is probably a co-favorite to win it all next year AND they can duck the tax. So what are we talking about here?
zoyathedestroya wrote:
My guess would be Lakers for the minimum or MLE. He and JT are tight though so I wouldn't discount the Cs esp if we move on from one of our guards.