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Re: General Boston Sports Thread, Phase 2 

Post#1581 » by cl2117 » Thu Sep 16, 2021 12:34 pm

TSmith0197 wrote:I’m not one of those fans that thinks their guy is the best guy so to me Mac Jones ceiling is Matt Ryan at best. The other four taken ahead of him have ceilings that are above Matt Ryan IMO.

Matt Ryan won an MVP. That'll do.

Look back at the last decade and there are a lot more Mac/Jones/Matt Ryan esque signal callers in the Superbowl. I know the league is moving towards these superstar dual threats at QB, but you can still get it done with a pocket passer if they get the ball out quick and don't turn it over.

Hard to argue that those other guys don't have a better ceiling than Mac. Lance/Fields are more athletica dual threats, Lawrence is as blue chip as it gets, they all look like better prospects on paper. Mac definitely looks like he can hold his own though.
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Re: General Boston Sports Thread, Phase 2 

Post#1582 » by Curmudgeon » Thu Sep 16, 2021 1:30 pm

The problem with those dual threat guys is that they tend to get hurt. The only one who has lasted without serious injury is Russell Wilson.
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Re: General Boston Sports Thread, Phase 2 

Post#1583 » by TSmith0197 » Thu Sep 16, 2021 11:25 pm

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TSmith0197 wrote:I’m not one of those fans that thinks their guy is the best guy so to me Mac Jones ceiling is Matt Ryan at best. The other four taken ahead of him have ceilings that are above Matt Ryan IMO.

Matt Ryan won an MVP. That'll do.

Look back at the last decade and there are a lot more Mac/Jones/Matt Ryan esque signal callers in the Superbowl. I know the league is moving towards these superstar dual threats at QB, but you can still get it done with a pocket passer if they get the ball out quick and don't turn it over.

Hard to argue that those other guys don't have a better ceiling than Mac. Lance/Fields are more athletica dual threats, Lawrence is as blue chip as it gets, they all look like better prospects on paper. Mac definitely looks like he can hold his own though.


Don’t get me wrong there nothing wrong with Matt Ryan he nearly won a SB if it wasn’t so for some bad play calling. I see people over at patsfans.com forum comparing this kid to TB12 which is unfair to Mac. I don’t think Mac will ever come close to that and when he doesn’t those same fans might turn on him which again is unfair.
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Post#1584 » by threrf23 » Fri Sep 17, 2021 3:06 am

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cl2117 wrote:
TSmith0197 wrote:I’m not one of those fans that thinks their guy is the best guy so to me Mac Jones ceiling is Matt Ryan at best. The other four taken ahead of him have ceilings that are above Matt Ryan IMO.

Matt Ryan won an MVP. That'll do.

Look back at the last decade and there are a lot more Mac/Jones/Matt Ryan esque signal callers in the Superbowl. I know the league is moving towards these superstar dual threats at QB, but you can still get it done with a pocket passer if they get the ball out quick and don't turn it over.

Hard to argue that those other guys don't have a better ceiling than Mac. Lance/Fields are more athletica dual threats, Lawrence is as blue chip as it gets, they all look like better prospects on paper. Mac definitely looks like he can hold his own though.


Don’t get me wrong there nothing wrong with Matt Ryan he nearly won a SB if it wasn’t so for some bad play calling. I see people over at patsfans.com forum comparing this kid to TB12 which is unfair to Mac. I don’t think Mac will ever come close to that and when he doesn’t those same fans might turn on him which again is unfair.


Back in the day (generally) nobody thought Tom Brady would ever come close to being a GOAT. Even after winning the Super Bowl, he was considered a game manager who rode the coattails of a good defense coupled with conservative play calling.

But Tom was always a competent game manager and leader with great intangibles. I haven't watched enough of Mac to have a strong opinion just yet, but he looks decent so far and I'm sure that Nick Saban gave a good word.

Matt Ryan is maybe Drew Bledsoe caliber IMO, good high upside QB...who tends to step on his own foot once or twice a game. Just good enough to be a star (Ryan made MVP but also had good help from his receivers) and make a Super Bowl or two, but how many rings do those guys have? Hopefully Mac is above that, because that's not an ideal long term solution.
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Re: General Boston Sports Thread, Phase 2 

Post#1585 » by 31to6 » Fri Sep 17, 2021 8:30 pm

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cl2117 wrote:Matt Ryan won an MVP. That'll do.

Look back at the last decade and there are a lot more Mac/Jones/Matt Ryan esque signal callers in the Superbowl. I know the league is moving towards these superstar dual threats at QB, but you can still get it done with a pocket passer if they get the ball out quick and don't turn it over.

Hard to argue that those other guys don't have a better ceiling than Mac. Lance/Fields are more athletica dual threats, Lawrence is as blue chip as it gets, they all look like better prospects on paper. Mac definitely looks like he can hold his own though.


Don’t get me wrong there nothing wrong with Matt Ryan he nearly won a SB if it wasn’t so for some bad play calling. I see people over at patsfans.com forum comparing this kid to TB12 which is unfair to Mac. I don’t think Mac will ever come close to that and when he doesn’t those same fans might turn on him which again is unfair.


Back in the day (generally) nobody thought Tom Brady would ever come close to being a GOAT. Even after winning the Super Bowl, he was considered a game manager who rode the coattails of a good defense coupled with conservative play calling.

But Tom was always a competent game manager and leader with great intangibles. I haven't watched enough of Mac to have a strong opinion just yet, but he looks decent so far and I'm sure that Nick Saban gave a good word.

Matt Ryan is maybe Drew Bledsoe caliber IMO, good high upside QB...who tends to step on his own foot once or twice a game. Just good enough to be a star (Ryan made MVP but also had good help from his receivers) and make a Super Bowl or two, but how many rings do those guys have? Hopefully Mac is above that, because that's not an ideal long term solution.


getting an MVP/Super Bowl contending quarterback at #15 would be a great pick. Bledsoe was #1, Ryan was #3. There's no way he's going to escape the shadow of Brady, but let's at least let Mac play a 2nd game in the pros before we go overboard with it.
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Re: General Boston Sports Thread, Phase 2 

Post#1586 » by Joshyjess » Sat Sep 18, 2021 3:14 am

31to6 wrote:
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Don’t get me wrong there nothing wrong with Matt Ryan he nearly won a SB if it wasn’t so for some bad play calling. I see people over at patsfans.com forum comparing this kid to TB12 which is unfair to Mac. I don’t think Mac will ever come close to that and when he doesn’t those same fans might turn on him which again is unfair.


Back in the day (generally) nobody thought Tom Brady would ever come close to being a GOAT. Even after winning the Super Bowl, he was considered a game manager who rode the coattails of a good defense coupled with conservative play calling.

But Tom was always a competent game manager and leader with great intangibles. I haven't watched enough of Mac to have a strong opinion just yet, but he looks decent so far and I'm sure that Nick Saban gave a good word.

Matt Ryan is maybe Drew Bledsoe caliber IMO, good high upside QB...who tends to step on his own foot once or twice a game. Just good enough to be a star (Ryan made MVP but also had good help from his receivers) and make a Super Bowl or two, but how many rings do those guys have? Hopefully Mac is above that, because that's not an ideal long term solution.


getting an MVP/Super Bowl contending quarterback at #15 would be a great pick. Bledsoe was #1, Ryan was #3. There's no way he's going to escape the shadow of Brady, but let's at least let Mac play a 2nd game in the pros before we go overboard with it.

Well, we can always hope that Mac will be like Steve Young was to Montanna. It didn't take the 49ers very long to go all in on Young, and stop talking about the greatness of Montanna. Hopefully it will be the same with the Pats.
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Post#1587 » by 31to6 » Sun Sep 19, 2021 7:48 pm

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Back in the day (generally) nobody thought Tom Brady would ever come close to being a GOAT. Even after winning the Super Bowl, he was considered a game manager who rode the coattails of a good defense coupled with conservative play calling.

But Tom was always a competent game manager and leader with great intangibles. I haven't watched enough of Mac to have a strong opinion just yet, but he looks decent so far and I'm sure that Nick Saban gave a good word.

Matt Ryan is maybe Drew Bledsoe caliber IMO, good high upside QB...who tends to step on his own foot once or twice a game. Just good enough to be a star (Ryan made MVP but also had good help from his receivers) and make a Super Bowl or two, but how many rings do those guys have? Hopefully Mac is above that, because that's not an ideal long term solution.


getting an MVP/Super Bowl contending quarterback at #15 would be a great pick. Bledsoe was #1, Ryan was #3. There's no way he's going to escape the shadow of Brady, but let's at least let Mac play a 2nd game in the pros before we go overboard with it.

Well, we can always hope that Mac will be like Steve Young was to Montanna. It didn't take the 49ers very long to go all in on Young, and stop talking about the greatness of Montanna. Hopefully it will be the same with the Pats.


We can hope a lot of things, but if you only hope for things named "Brady" and "Young" you might set yourself up for disappointment.

Speaking of which, how about this Zach Wilson guy?
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Re: General Boston Sports Thread, Phase 2 

Post#1588 » by ParticleMan » Sun Sep 19, 2021 8:16 pm

31to6 wrote:
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getting an MVP/Super Bowl contending quarterback at #15 would be a great pick. Bledsoe was #1, Ryan was #3. There's no way he's going to escape the shadow of Brady, but let's at least let Mac play a 2nd game in the pros before we go overboard with it.

Well, we can always hope that Mac will be like Steve Young was to Montanna. It didn't take the 49ers very long to go all in on Young, and stop talking about the greatness of Montanna. Hopefully it will be the same with the Pats.


We can hope a lot of things, but if you only hope for things named "Brady" and "Young" you might set yourself up for disappointment.

Speaking of which, how about this Zach Wilson guy?


yeah, he's a great player. for us. :lol:
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Post#1589 » by threrf23 » Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:27 am

31to6 wrote:
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31to6 wrote:
getting an MVP/Super Bowl contending quarterback at #15 would be a great pick. Bledsoe was #1, Ryan was #3. There's no way he's going to escape the shadow of Brady, but let's at least let Mac play a 2nd game in the pros before we go overboard with it.

Well, we can always hope that Mac will be like Steve Young was to Montanna. It didn't take the 49ers very long to go all in on Young, and stop talking about the greatness of Montanna. Hopefully it will be the same with the Pats.


We can hope a lot of things, but if you only hope for things named "Brady" and "Young" you might set yourself up for disappointment.

Speaking of which, how about this Zach Wilson guy?


I mean, I'd be cool with Philip Rivers or Alex Smith.

Wilson completed more than two thirds of his pass attempts today, not so bad, just needs to get better at distinguishing his teammates from the opponents.
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Re: General Boston Sports Thread, Phase 2 

Post#1590 » by moonie_mcgee » Mon Sep 20, 2021 2:12 am

The Jets are an awful org. Always rebuilding, always wasting high picks. Their last top pick is now productive elsewhere. Wilson will be mismanage and wasted there. Rinse and repeat.

Pats needed this week's opponent. Now we get ready for the Saints. Itll be a good test. Let's see how Jamison handles our defense. Again Philips the man. LBs looking good too.

Miami outclassed by Buffalo. At least there's the Jets.

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Post#1591 » by moonie_mcgee » Mon Sep 20, 2021 2:56 am

Just finished the Dallas LA game. Lotta penalties but a really good game. Had to be 30,000 Cowboy fans in that LA stadium. Live sports are back :nod:!
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Post#1592 » by moonie_mcgee » Tue Sep 21, 2021 2:57 am

I read Payton Manning is still talking about the Pats. Bugging the locker room :lol: Wouldn't surprise me and wouldn't faze me either. Manning and a LONG line of high draft pick HOF QBs can't stand the fact that Brady, the underwhelming 199 pick, has SEVEN super bowl rings, and has CLOSED the book on the half century debate of who's the greatest QB of all time. And another SB would make it THREE dynasties by a single player. Enjoy the ride Payton.
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Post#1593 » by GoGreen » Tue Sep 21, 2021 3:16 am

moonie_mcgee wrote:I read Payton Manning is still talking about the Pats. Bugging the locker room :lol: Wouldn't surprise me and wouldn't faze me either. Manning and a LONG line of high draft pick HOF QBs can't stand the fact that Brady, the underwhelming 199 pick, has SEVEN super bowl rings, and has CLOSED the book on the half century debate of who's the greatest QB of all time. And another SB would make it THREE dynasties by a single player. Enjoy the ride Payton.


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Post#1595 » by Tatumfor2 » Sat Sep 25, 2021 11:26 pm

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Post#1596 » by 31to6 » Sun Sep 26, 2021 1:53 pm

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but it'd be an all-time low to get swept by the Yanks at home right now so I hope they get their **** together today
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Post#1597 » by BRUNiNHO91 » Sun Sep 26, 2021 5:46 pm

This offense sucks dude. Even though Mac is a better player they are just as wack as they were last year with Newton.
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Post#1598 » by Curmudgeon » Sun Sep 26, 2021 6:16 pm

BRUNiNHO91 wrote:This offense sucks dude. Even though Mac is a better player they are just as wack as they were last year with Newton.


The Patriots' offensive line is atrocious.
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Post#1599 » by BRUNiNHO91 » Sun Sep 26, 2021 6:49 pm

Curmudgeon wrote:
BRUNiNHO91 wrote:This offense sucks dude. Even though Mac is a better player they are just as wack as they were last year with Newton.


The Patriots' offensive line is atrocious.


Everything about their offense is atrocious tbh.
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Post#1600 » by 1st banana » Mon Sep 27, 2021 3:38 am

Jesus the o line has been just horrendous. I know Trent brown is out but good lord move onwenu back to right tackle and shift karras to guard if Justin Herron is gonna continue to get bodied.

And what’s with Isaiah Wynn, will scar please come back to save us.

Won’t even discuss #81 today won’t even write his name. I like him but he was flat out **** today.

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