Anthony Davis Trade Thread Shimmies to #8

[Theocy]

With Klay and KD down for most, if not all of next season, teams are going to be bolder with their offseason moves. Price tag for AD likely just went up because Danny Green challenged a breakaway layup by Klay. Unreal. No way Ainge can keep Tatum off the table now if he's serious about this AD pursuit. More bidders outside of Lakers, I imagine.

I think Ainge zags here— if everyone is a buyer, you want to be a seller. Could see Houston really trying to pay up for Al now.

Ainge will stay firm— he cannot risk losing AD, Tatum and Kyrie in a calendar year for nothing.

I agree with this!

I still trust Danny. He did everything to position us right there to go for a title run. 2 years ago we had 3 all stars 2 young studs and a balanced supporting cast.

Then all hell broke loose.
You can all blame kyrie all you like. Or danny. Or brad. I think a few things went wrong, including the over infalted ego of our young stars.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Right. Just Danny failing. Come on guys. If Danny doesn't get his man, he failed. Perioid. Things snowballed, and it starts from his decision making. I know the green teamers don't wanna hear it. But it is what it is. No AD = Danny lost.

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If Ainge is as myopic as you want him to be, we will never win a title again.

What your saying is akin to: if you dont sell your house, take out large personal loans and put your life savings on 18 on the roulette table, you failed. You can always declare bankruptcy to clear the debt so you need to take this chance. You’ll never be rich in your current life.

I get you, but if I was making financial decisions based on my personal life, I would....obviously be more cautious lol

I'm willing to watch the Celtics gamble and lose all...that absolutely does not equate to me willing to make financial decisions that would lead to bankruptcy. Expressing my preference for a basketball team's decision that doesn't impact my life is very different than making personal financial decisions which CAN impact my life. As a result, the same logic in decision making does not apply whatsoever. You are generally one of my favorite posters here man, and I was super happy for you when you got made a mod..I feel bad saying this, but that is some reallllly bad logic there man..come on lol



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Its the exact same thing— you cant have absurd/dangerous risk tolerance in life. This isnt NBA2K where you can just hit the reset button when a stupid risk doesnt work out.

People tank for talents like Tatum. You dont quit on him in his second year, thats what caused the Celtics to suck in the 90’s and 00’s [Billups and Joe Johnson greatly wouldve expedited our rebuild]. Even if he never reaches the level of an AD [he wont], his value will unquestionably go up next season and you can flip him for the next star that becomes available— someone preferably not as vocal about how he 100% will be leaving.

You dont overpay for the first opportunity you have because your desperate and wished you traded for a guy last year. Thats bad logic.

[zoyathedestroya]

Houston isn't giving up two rotation players for one who they have to load-manage all year. They need more rotation players, not less. So I think the Horford for Capela + Gordon isn't a thing they'd be cool with. If anything, after seeing Klay and KD go down, HOU might just stand pat then add value players from FA and waiver wire.

[Triple7]

I think Ainge zags here— if everyone is a buyer, you want to be a seller. Could see Houston really trying to pay up for Al now.

Ainge will stay firm— he cannot risk losing AD, Tatum and Kyrie in a calendar year for nothing.

I agree with this!

I still trust Danny. He did everything to position us right there to go for a title run. 2 years ago we had 3 all stars 2 young studs and a balanced supporting cast.

Then all hell broke loose.
You can all blame kyrie all you like. Or danny. Or brad. I think a few things went wrong, including the over infalted ego of our young stars.

Yup everything went wrong. So frustrating to watch. I can’t believe we never developed chemistry. The players were a bad fit. Lets hope we have a more balanced team next season.

[Triple7]

If Ainge is as myopic as you want him to be, we will never win a title again.

What your saying is akin to: if you dont sell your house, take out large personal loans and put your life savings on 18 on the roulette table, you failed. You can always declare bankruptcy to clear the debt so you need to take this chance. You’ll never be rich in your current life.

I get you, but if I was making financial decisions based on my personal life, I would....obviously be more cautious lol

I'm willing to watch the Celtics gamble and lose all...that absolutely does not equate to me willing to make financial decisions that would lead to bankruptcy. Expressing my preference for a basketball team's decision that doesn't impact my life is very different than making personal financial decisions which CAN impact my life. As a result, the same logic in decision making does not apply whatsoever. You are generally one of my favorite posters here man, and I was super happy for you when you got made a mod..I feel bad saying this, but that is some reallllly bad logic there man..come on lol



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Its the exact same thing— you cant have absurd/dangerous risk tolerance in life. This isnt NBA2K where you can just hit the reset button when a stupid risk doesnt work out.

People tank for talents like Tatum. You dont quit on him in his second year, thats what caused the Celtics to suck in the 90’s and 00’s [Billups and Joe Johnson greatly wouldve expedited our rebuild]. Even if he never reaches the level of an AD [he wont], his value will unquestionably go up next season and you can flip him for the next star that becomes available— someone preferably not as vocal about how he 100% will be leaving.

You dont overpay for the first opportunity you have because your desperate and wished you traded for a guy last year. Thats bad logic.

I have been saying this as well, we can always trade Brown and Tatum anytime if the right opportunity comes along. Meaning a star that’s willing to play here and commit. Instead of forcing some guy to play here against his will.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Houston isn't giving up two rotation players for one who they have to load-manage all year. They need more rotation players, not less. So I think the Horford for Capela + Gordon isn't a thing they'd be cool with. If anything, after seeing Klay and KD go down, HOU might just stand pat then add value players from FA and waiver wire.

Houston “upped their risk tolerance” when the Warriors were at full strength to compete— I’d be shocked if they didn't do everything to add talent now that the West is wide open next year.

Regarding rotation pieces, the question is who could we add? RWIII or Semi isnt enough.

To structure it differently, they’d need to add about 4.2M in salary to Nene to get a deal done— perhaps they could S+T Iman Shumpert at a reasonable clip?

[Triple7]

Houston isn't giving up two rotation players for one who they have to load-manage all year. They need more rotation players, not less. So I think the Horford for Capela + Gordon isn't a thing they'd be cool with. If anything, after seeing Klay and KD go down, HOU might just stand pat then add value players from FA and waiver wire.

HOU would definitely do that. With what happened to the warriors, the west is now wide open. Every contending team would be aggressive to improve.

[TheOGJabroni]

I don't know if this is the place to put this but I am seeing too much Danny slander & I won't support it. I really don't get how people can blame Danny for all of this.

We were only ever in the position to trade for Kyrie because of the deals he made previously (& because Kyrie demanded a trade; a player like that doesn't typically become available). We didn't draft IT or Crowder. We absolutely stole them away from their previous teams. The "worst" part of the deal to get Kyrie was trading the Brooklyn pick & I don't think I need to remind anyone about how we got that. IT's body was failing him. Crowder is a role player & his role was about to be reduced even more with Tatum & Hayward incoming. So really we took a chance on trading Sexton or another decent prospect for at least two guaranteed years of Kyrie Irving; one of the best guards in the NBA. That was an absolute no brainer, even if you thought Kyrie would leave after two seasons.

Which leads me to remind you all how thrilled Kyrie appeared to be after getting traded here. Does anyone remember that press conference with Gordon Hayward? Obviously, it went to hell once Hayward & then ultimately, Kyrie went down but how can we blame Danny for that? We just saw Golden St lose a title because of unfortunate injuries; it happens. You can't control everything.

Even with the injuries, this team was still rolling without their two best players two seasons ago & Kyrie saw that and proclaimed he was staying. What part of that would make Danny think it's a good idea to trade him? This past season was inexplicably bad but I don't think there was a damn thing Danny could have done to right the ship. We would have received next to nothing to trade Kyrie at the deadline once the rumors started coming in that he was considering leaving. It was the right move to just stand pat and hope we could right the ship. It almost looked like we did at times.

I hate how this played out as much as anyone but that doesn't mean it's all over. We still have terrific young talent and assets. We still have a brilliant young coach. We still have one of the best GMs in the league & I think both of those guys are going to be better because of what happened this past year.

[Slartibartfast]

If Ainge is as myopic as you want him to be, we will never win a title again.

What your saying is akin to: if you dont sell your house, take out large personal loans and put your life savings on 18 on the roulette table, you failed. You can always declare bankruptcy to clear the debt so you need to take this chance. You’ll never be rich in your current life.

I get you, but if I was making financial decisions based on my personal life, I would....obviously be more cautious lol

I'm willing to watch the Celtics gamble and lose all...that absolutely does not equate to me willing to make financial decisions that would lead to bankruptcy. Expressing my preference for a basketball team's decision that doesn't impact my life is very different than making personal financial decisions which CAN impact my life. As a result, the same logic in decision making does not apply whatsoever. You are generally one of my favorite posters here man, and I was super happy for you when you got made a mod..I feel bad saying this, but that is some reallllly bad logic there man..come on lol



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Its the exact same thing— you cant have absurd/dangerous risk tolerance in life. This isnt NBA2K where you can just hit the reset button when a stupid risk doesnt work out.

People tank for talents like Tatum. You dont quit on him in his second year, thats what caused the Celtics to suck in the 90’s and 00’s [Billups and Joe Johnson greatly wouldve expedited our rebuild]. Even if he never reaches the level of an AD [he wont], his value will unquestionably go up next season and you can flip him for the next star that becomes available— someone preferably not as vocal about how he 100% will be leaving.

You dont overpay for the first opportunity you have because your desperate and wished you traded for a guy last year. Thats bad logic.

Billups and Johnson were traded for roleplayers. I
It's not giving up on Tatum to trade him for AD.

His trade isn't certain to go up next year either. His current trajectory is priced into his current value. Could definitely beat that trajectory but he could also maintain the same rate of improvement or fall short of it.

And the availability of super stars in trade can peak and valley. Top 5ers like Kawhi and AD being available back to back seasons isn't business as usual.

All that being said I agree no AD is not a failure. Just that trading Tatum for him is justifiable even with considerable flight risk

[Triple7]

I don't know if this is the place to put this but I am seeing too much Danny slander & I won't support it. I really don't get how people can blame Danny for all of this.

We were only ever in the position to trade for Kyrie because of the deals he made previously (& because Kyrie demanded a trade; a player like that doesn't typically become available). We didn't draft IT or Crowder. We absolutely stole them away from their previous teams. The "worst" part of the deal to get Kyrie was trading the Brooklyn pick & I don't think I need to remind anyone about how we got that. IT's body was failing him. Crowder is a role player & his role was about to be reduced even more with Tatum & Hayward incoming. So really we took a chance on trading Sexton or another decent prospect for at least two guaranteed years of Kyrie Irving; one of the best guards in the NBA. That was an absolute no brainer, even if you thought Kyrie would leave after two seasons.

Which leads me to remind you all how thrilled Kyrie appeared to be after getting traded here. Does anyone remember that press conference with Gordon Hayward? Obviously, it went to hell once Hayward & then ultimately, Kyrie went down but how can we blame Danny for that? We just saw Golden St lose a title because of unfortunate injuries; it happens. You can't control everything.

Even with the injuries, this team was still rolling without their two best players two seasons ago & Kyrie saw that and proclaimed he was staying. What part of that would make Danny think it's a good idea to trade him? This past season was inexplicably bad but I don't think there was a damn thing Danny could have done to right the ship. We would have received next to nothing to trade Kyrie at the deadline once the rumors started coming in that he was considering leaving. It was the right move to just stand pat and hope we could right the ship. It almost looked like we did at times.

I hate how this played out as much as anyone but that doesn't mean it's all over. We still have terrific young talent and assets. We still have a brilliant young coach. We still have one of the best GMs in the league & I think both of those guys are going to be better because of what happened this past year.

They need to step up their game next season though. I think they can. W e just need a balanced roster with defined roles.

[ILC]

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Completely agree on everything here. Danny has signed a great coach, signed good free agents, drafted and developed well, traded well. Did almost everything right...


....but with that said Danny has to finish this rebuild with getting an MVP caliber player. And if that's AD and if it's an enormous risk then **** it. No matter how wide open the league is next year you're not beating Kawhi without someone of similar talent. Kyrie and everyone else on the roster is not that. Kawhi, Harden, LeBron, Embiid, Giannis - Celtics don't have that kind of talent on their roster.

If you miss on AD - who's the next guy of that level to become available? Is Giannis going to be unhappy soon? Is Morey going to decide to blow it up if Rockets don't make the finals next year and Harden becomes available? Those are very long shots to me if they ever happen.

[Jaqua92]

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Completely agree on everything here. Danny has signed a great coach, signed good free agents, drafted and developed well, traded well. Did almost everything right...


....but with that said Danny has to finish this rebuild with getting an MVP caliber player. And if that's AD and if it's an enormous risk then **** it. No matter how wide open the league is next year you're not beating Kawhi without someone of similar talent. Kyrie and everyone else on the roster is not that. Kawhi, Harden, LeBron, Embiid, Giannis - Celtics don't have that kind of talent on their roster.

If you miss on AD - who's the next guy of that level to become available? Is Giannis going to be unhappy soon? Is Morey going to decide to blow it up if Rockets don't make the finals next year and Harden becomes available? Those are very long shots to me if they ever happen.

That's why you go all in on a d. And I think Danny knows this

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[SmartWentCrazy]

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Completely agree on everything here. Danny has signed a great coach, signed good free agents, drafted and developed well, traded well. Did almost everything right...


....but with that said Danny has to finish this rebuild with getting an MVP caliber player. And if that's AD and if it's an enormous risk then **** it. No matter how wide open the league is next year you're not beating Kawhi without someone of similar talent. Kyrie and everyone else on the roster is not that. Kawhi, Harden, LeBron, Embiid, Giannis - Celtics don't have that kind of talent on their roster.

If you miss on AD - who's the next guy of that level to become available? Is Giannis going to be unhappy soon? Is Morey going to decide to blow it up if Rockets don't make the finals next year and Harden becomes available? Those are very long shots to me if they ever happen.

Who knows— three years ago you wouldnt have believed me if I said Kawhi wouldve been dealt. This league changes so quickly that the best strategy is to remain flexible so you can pounce when the situation is right.

[Celtics_Champs]

Ainge cannot make this deal without getting Kyries word that he will stay for a 1 year deal as well.

Mark my words. AD will coast with a team of Terry Rozier and Gordon Hayward. His main goal will not be to win, but to not get hurt for the 2020 FA period.

[zoyathedestroya]

1. Rozier-or-better / Brown / Hayward / Horford / AD / Morris / Baynes / MLE
2. Smart / Brown / Tatum / Horford / Baynes / Rozier-or-better / Hayward / MLE

Either main rotation is fine by me for next season. Cop-out, I know lol. But that's just how I feel. I'm okay with either direction. If AD lands with the Lakers, it's gonna bother me for about a day. Two, the most. Then I'll probably just bitch about it again whenever the Cs and Lakers meet and if they make the Finals.

All I ask for #1 is we empty our war chest. Lay it all out for that one season with AD. Build a bona fide title team. Title or bust. No half measures. Just leave our own future picks alone.

#2 is more flexible. Hayward and Horford could be dealt midseason if things go sideways and we decide to become sellers instead. Or we could be buyers if we think we can compete against the Bucks and Raptors.

[celtics543]

The other question to ask is are we going to lose Jaylen or Jayson anyway because of the contract they're going to command. Danny has been careful not to lock us into max salaries that handcuff future flexibility for players who aren't perennial all stars. Jaylen and Jayson are both going to need extensions soon and are we willing to commit that kind of money to them?

[Triple7]

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Completely agree on everything here. Danny has signed a great coach, signed good free agents, drafted and developed well, traded well. Did almost everything right...


....but with that said Danny has to finish this rebuild with getting an MVP caliber player. And if that's AD and if it's an enormous risk then **** it. No matter how wide open the league is next year you're not beating Kawhi without someone of similar talent. Kyrie and everyone else on the roster is not that. Kawhi, Harden, LeBron, Embiid, Giannis - Celtics don't have that kind of talent on their roster.

If you miss on AD - who's the next guy of that level to become available? Is Giannis going to be unhappy soon? Is Morey going to decide to blow it up if Rockets don't make the finals next year and Harden becomes available? Those are very long shots to me if they ever happen.

I agree you can’t win without top talents like kawhi, giannis and AD. The thing is, AD doesn’t want to be here and he will leave us after a year. I don’t even think we can beat the raps or bucks with only AD and no 2nd option. Im ok to trade for AD if we have a shot of resigning him or make the finals. I just don’t see that happening.

[Bar Fight]

Man, it's gonna suck watching the Raptors, Sixers, and Bucks trade Finals appearances and championships for years to come if we can't get this done.

[Celtics_Champs]

That’s another annoyance on these Danny Ainge haters. Kyrie might have already or soon tell Danny he’s not staying either way. Danny hears this, pulls back on his offer and lakers swoop in. People would be so pissed at DA because the facts aren’t in front of them.

If Ainge doesn’t trade for AD, it may not be because he was being greedy hoarding prospects. It may be because Kyrie has two feet out the door and Ainge realizes AD won’t single handedly bring you a championship

[Triple7]

The other question to ask is are we going to lose Jaylen or Jayson anyway because of the contract they're going to command. Danny has been careful not to lock us into max salaries that handcuff future flexibility for players who aren't perennial all stars. Jaylen and Jayson are both going to need extensions soon and are we willing to commit that kind of money to them?

They need to be better if they want to command top dollars. I think they can take a leap next season with the expectations being lower and less pressure. With the right opportunity, we can always trade them if they don’t pan out, or if were unwilling to pay them.