Trade Ideas Thread, 2019-20

[Andrew McCeltic]

Low-cost trade acquisitions who don't require us to trade Hayward: Nerlens Noel, Ivica Zubac, Harry Giles would be small trades and upside gambles.. Taj Gibson is 34 but still averaging a double double per-36. Possible buy-out candidates: Tristan Thompson, Derrick Favors, Marvin Williams, Jae Crowder, Taj Gibson, Bobby Portis, Marcus Morris, then Baynes, Hassan Whiteside, Marc Gasol and Serge Ibaka, if they're traded to the "right" team, plus I guess Mahinmi and Biyombo... and then the scrap heap guys, if they're released, Okafor and Dragan Bender. Haven't totally given up on either as a Billups-style late bloomer, but neither would be a major help this year.

Noel makes a ton of sense if you ignore off-court concerns - cheap, springy, would fit the way Rob Williams does, has almost inexplicably dropped from multimillion contract extension candidate to vet minimum back-up in OKC. If you could get Zubac (unlikely, but the rumor is that LAC would swap him for Baynes and that Phoenix is hesitant to take on the last three years of his 4/28 deal for a back-up to Ayton..), he's potentially a Crowder-type find, maybe better. The Lakers gave him away and the Clippers are only in a position to trade him because they're so close to a championship and Baynes would be a perfect fit.. Zubac may never become more than a roleplaying big - but that's his floor at 22 going on 23- he rebounds well, he's got a 7'4 wingspan, and he's already learning to be in the right places on both sides of the ball. The risk is just that if he plateaus or regresses he's on the books for 7.5 million a year through June 2023..

[BigTrade92]

The Drummond/Gallo for Hayward idea is perfection.

In one trade you get a legit starting Center and a surefire scoring wing off the bench, that can back up Tatum/Brown without taking away any minutes from them, while also allowing Smart to now start alongside Kemba and improving our backcourt defense.

Make it so Ainge.

[StojkoVrankovic]

How does Gordon hinder the development when he has the lowest usage rate among the top 4 and they play better with him on the court?

There is ZERO smoke that he will be moved, none

[BigTrade92]

How does Gordon hinder the development when he has the lowest usage rate among the top 4 and they play better with him on the court?

There is ZERO smoke that he will be moved, none

For what’s he’s being paid, being a facilitator who averages 15 or so per game can be replicated by a guy like Gallinari off the bench.

From what I can see, the lack of a legitimate big man is still the Achilles heel on this team and is the reason we have no shot advancing past teams like Philly and Milwaukee in the playoffs.

Using Hayward’s contract to get a budget version of Gordon and an All Star Center seems like a good move to me, especially when it opens the door to allowing Smart more playing time, which only strengthens this team even further.

[GoGreen]

The Drummond/Gallo for Hayward idea is perfection.

In one trade you get a legit starting Center and a surefire scoring wing off the bench, that can back up Tatum/Brown without taking away any minutes from them, while also allowing Smart to now start alongside Kemba and improving our backcourt defense.

Make it so Ainge.

I thought Drummond's contract was worse than it is, but it's essentially similar to Haywards. Player option next year and that's it.

I'm not hating it, tbh. At the same time, doesn't Drummond have character issues? Like being kind of a lazy player?

[BigTrade92]

The Drummond/Gallo for Hayward idea is perfection.

In one trade you get a legit starting Center and a surefire scoring wing off the bench, that can back up Tatum/Brown without taking away any minutes from them, while also allowing Smart to now start alongside Kemba and improving our backcourt defense.

Make it so Ainge.

I thought Drummond's contract was worse than it is, but it's essentially similar to Haywards. Player option next year and that's it.

I'm not hating it, tbh. At the same time, doesn't Drummond have character issues? Like being kind of a lazy player?

He does, but I would assume playing your entire career for the dwindling Pistons is part of the problem.

If the guy can’t get motivated playing for a championship contender, then you only have to deal with him for another season, and he would still be an expiring contract to trade away and cut bait if need be.

[Feed Your Head]

I have a pretty strong gut feeling that they move Hayward, and i also think that Gordon is receptive to it.

[GoGreen]

The Drummond/Gallo for Hayward idea is perfection.

In one trade you get a legit starting Center and a surefire scoring wing off the bench, that can back up Tatum/Brown without taking away any minutes from them, while also allowing Smart to now start alongside Kemba and improving our backcourt defense.

Make it so Ainge.

I thought Drummond's contract was worse than it is, but it's essentially similar to Haywards. Player option next year and that's it.

I'm not hating it, tbh. At the same time, doesn't Drummond have character issues? Like being kind of a lazy player?

He does, but I would assume playing your entire career for the dwindling Pistons is part of the problem.

If the guy can’t get motivated playing for a championship contender, then you only have to deal with him for another season, and he would still be an expiring contract to trade away and cut bait if need be.

Yea, fair enough. It's definitely a very intriguing
trade idea.

[Andrew McCeltic]

The Drummond/Gallo for Hayward idea is perfection.

In one trade you get a legit starting Center and a surefire scoring wing off the bench, that can back up Tatum/Brown without taking away any minutes from them, while also allowing Smart to now start alongside Kemba and improving our backcourt defense.

Make it so Ainge.

The leading Drummond rumor is that Atlanta could get him for expirings and the Nets' lotto-protected first-round pick (likely to land in the 15-18 range), but they haven't been willing to cough up the draft pick. It's possible they'd take back Snell or Galloway in the deal.. We can offer two late 1sts, or the MEM pick (!), but it's likely we'd just be goading the Hawks into giving up a first.. And we'd have to find a third team to send expirings to Detroit and give us more value for Hayward.. Portland? Miami? Cleveland? Dallas?

Hayward and Poirier to Phoenix, Baynes and Tyler Johnson to Detroit with one of our first-rounders (two?), and either Saric or Bridges with Drummond to us.. Maybe Kaminsky instead of Baynes.. The rumor is that Phoenix likes Gallinari, and Hayward is.. better. Better defensively, more versatile on offense. If they ran out Rubio/Booker/Hayward/Ayton/Baynes with Oubre and Bridges-or-Saric off the bench, that's the playoff team they want with Booker/Ayton as their Embiid/Simmons..

Or Hayward to Phoenix, Johnson (expiring) and Theis (team option) to Detroit, Oubre and Drummond to Boston..

[SmartWentCrazy]

I have a pretty strong gut feeling that they move Hayward, and i also think that Gordon is receptive to it.

I think he wants a bigger role as well— that is a big reason why he signed here after all

[StojkoVrankovic]

I have a pretty strong gut feeling that they move Hayward, and i also think that Gordon is receptive to it.

I think he wants a bigger role as well— that is a big reason why he signed here after all

He signed here because he wanted to win

[Kilo]

What is the general feeling with Hayward's PO - sure to pick it up because it's silly money, or if he ends the season healthy does he head to FA to get another longer term deal even if it's less AAV money next year and going forward?

[SmartWentCrazy]

I have a pretty strong gut feeling that they move Hayward, and i also think that Gordon is receptive to it.

I think he wants a bigger role as well— that is a big reason why he signed here after all

He signed here because he wanted to win

Yah, and to have a major role on the team.

[StojkoVrankovic]

I think he wants a bigger role as well— that is a big reason why he signed here after all

He signed here because he wanted to win

Yah, and to have a major role on the team.

Does he not? He seems very important to me

[BigTrade92]

While this trade would be just what the doctor ordered, I don’t think Ainge has it in him to trade Hayward.

He didn’t have it in him to move Kyrie last year, so this almost feels like a repeat scenario.

Hopefully he learned from his mistake...

[MagicBagley18]

When has any of the smoke out there in recent years led to an actual trade? We are always in the rumors, partly because of Danny’s reputation (even though he really has shown patience) and partly because we are a team that’s good but still a piece away from true contention and Drummond is a position we are perceived to be lacking.

With us lately it’s the times you don’t hear anything that stuff happens. Whenever woj or someone else has said we are favorites it never happens. Same thing when we are linked with player x.

Hayward’s not going anywhere.

[SmartWentCrazy]

He signed here because he wanted to win

Yah, and to have a major role on the team.

Does he not? He seems very important to me

4th option is not the same as the 2nd he signed up for.

Were arguing a subjective opinion at the end of the day, neither of us are Hayward and know how he feels, just guessing based on gut feels.

[MagicBagley18]

I’m not even the biggest Hayward fan and I’ll be there first to tell you, his career here seems cursed and his inconsistency can be maddening but I just don’t see what other ppl are seeing. Obviously I’d trade him in the right deal- but i don’t see this player that looks unhappy here or upset.

I still think when he plays well this team is at its best. You may say well he makes max money and that’s correct but the tooth paste is already out of the tube here. We can’t undue his contract and if we r gonna trad him why do it just to win the honor of maxing out Andre drummond.

Hayward can do more than just score and when’s he’s aggressive or even when his shot isn’t falling but he’s facilitating he’s really valuable to what we are doing here. He has sucked for the majority this year but I feel the best way for this team to proceed is buyout candidates and smaller trades.

[StojkoVrankovic]

While this trade would be just what the doctor ordered, I don’t think Ainge has it in him to trade Hayward.

He didn’t have it in him to move Kyrie last year, so this almost feels like a repeat scenario.

Hopefully he learned from his mistake...

I get the appeal of Drummond, but you need to take a deeper look at what he actually brings as a player

PER36 his numbers are practically the same as Kanter, but his salary is more than 4x as much. Kanter is on another planet on offense, while being a similar player on defense. Lazy, horrible awareness and rotations. Gets you blocks, but historically they played better on defense when he was on the bench.

The only way we beat Philly is to win every other matchup, which I thought we would be able to do. We clearly **** the bed so far on that front

[BigTrade92]

When has any of the smoke out there in recent years led to an actual trade? We are always in the rumors, partly because of Danny’s reputation (even though he really has shown patience) and partly because we are a team that’s good but still a piece away from true contention and Drummond is a position we are perceived to be lacking.

With us lately it’s the times you don’t hear anything that stuff happens. Whenever woj or someone else has said we are favorites it never happens. Same thing when we are linked with player x.

Hayward’s not going anywhere.

This team isn’t winning a title if you don’t move Hayward.

If the goal is to win a title, and it should be in the most open season in forever, then you have to make the move.

You’re not getting past Philly or Milwaukee with the presently constructed roster.

Might be a tough pill to swallow, but Hayward is the odd man out no matter which way you slice is.