Trade Ideas Thread

[GotDaSauce]

I'm all for changes but anyone adding Kemba into a trade scenario is wasting their time typing it out. Kemba is definitely not going anywhere in the second year of his contract and doubt Hayward goes anywhere unless he asks to get moved.

[MagicBagley18]

I'm all for changes but anyone adding Kemba into a trade scenario is wasting their time typing it out. Kemba is definitely not going anywhere in the second year of his contract and doubt Hayward goes anywhere unless he asks to get moved.

Agree. He’s not getting traded....just won’t happen at least right now.

[MagicBagley18]

That Hawks insider I've mentioned before just said this about Hayward/Smart rumors:

That guy still dropping some gems every now and again over there huh

Dude's info is unreal. He had Gallo to Miami rumors like a month before Woj said it.

Idk how he got it, but he gives some really good tidbits sometimes.

Yea I hop in there occasionally

[ConstableGeneva]

I'm all for changes but anyone adding Kemba into a trade scenario is wasting their time typing it out. Kemba is definitely not going anywhere in the second year of his contract and doubt Hayward goes anywhere unless he asks to get moved.

Agree. He’s not getting traded....just won’t happen at least right now.

1. I'm in the right place. I am indeed here to waste my time lol.
2. If we're not trading him, we need prime KG/Duncan as our center and/or a system that can cover for Kemba defensively when it counts. Or a coach that is willing to bench his all-star when he's hurting us on the defensive end (I don't think such a coach exists).
3. I'm really leaning towards tweaks in the fringes than major changes. But that's just so boring for discussion purposes.

[darylbe]

I think a kemba to nyk is a win for both teams. Nyk can't draft for crap, plus it gets them a star that they can't attract for anything either . Plus, walker is from the Bronx.

I think we can easily draft a really good point at 8. Doesn't need to be a huge shooter, just give me defense and really good ball movement. Then use the $ to improve the bench.

[playa-hater]

My dream, but realistic trade scenarios. So many Trade idea's out there, Biggest offseason I can remember.. so close yet we have to get this right (Ainge and Stevens that is)

Trade with 2 parts..

1st. Trade Marcus Smart for John Collins straight up.. Reasons - Smart is one of our Core defenders and makes our Team defense Go.. He has great spirit and competitiveness. But he is sometimes a walking disaster with his need to go into Curry or Klay mode.. getting J Collins, who is a perfect fit as a modern day 4 or 5 man.. He shoots well, rebounds and plays defense like a savage. He can spot up or Roll or PNRs and won't demand the ball/take it out of Tatum's and Brown's hands. THAT IS SOMETIMES so overlooked when talking about good team chemistry. Smart's value is at it's highest at the moment and Atlanta could use a player of tat caliper.. I am aware Collins has one year left, but resigning him should be a No brainer..

2nd - Trade our beloved but Cursed G Hayward, Romeo Langford and our 30th pick for Myles Turner + J Lamb (salaries close) Why we do it, Indiana gets a local star who may fit in perfectly for them, But with 1 year left, if he doesn't work out, can shed 32 Million of salary. and Young local star Romeo Langford, in case Indiana wants to rebuild young. I threw in the 30th as Indiana may need more incentive (no 1st) and 2nd if necassary.. I am thinking the market may be good IF M Turner goes on the trade block..

For Boston having a starting lineup of:

Kemba PG - J Brown SG - J Tatum SF - J Collins -PF M Turner C.. That line-up has ALL 5 players who can shoot and score and play good-great defense (except Kemba on defense.) But then Boston can use 14 and 26 to add any quality Wing and/or PG

14 - S Bey, Pat Williams, A Nesmith/ or Kira Lewis, R Hampton, Cole Anthony, T Terry, Ty Maxey
and

26 - Paul Reed, D Bane, J Ramsey, J Green, J McDaniels, Theo Maledon, Poku.

2nd Unit - so many combinations, but would have Theis, Grant Williams, J Lamb and any 2 combinations of young talent to rotate with multiple switchable offensive and defensive players..

Conclusions- a very timeline friendly- chemistry and switchable lineup with youth and talent that could compete for years IMO..

any thoughts opinions??

[djFan71]

Spoiler:

My dream, but realistic trade scenarios. So many Trade idea's out there, Biggest offseason I can remember.. so close yet we have to get this right (Ainge and Stevens that is)

Trade with 2 parts..

1st. Trade Marcus Smart for John Collins straight up.. Reasons - Smart is one of our Core defenders and makes our Team defense Go.. He has great spirit and competitiveness. But he is sometimes a walking disaster with his need to go into Curry or Klay mode.. getting J Collins, who is a perfect fit as a modern day 4 or 5 man.. He shoots well, rebounds and plays defense like a savage. He can spot up or Roll or PNRs and won't demand the ball/take it out of Tatum's and Brown's hands. THAT IS SOMETIMES so overlooked when talking about good team chemistry. Smart's value is at it's highest at the moment and Atlanta could use a player of tat caliper.. I am aware Collins has one year left, but resigning him should be a No brainer..

2nd - Trade our beloved but Cursed G Hayward, Romeo Langford and our 30th pick for Myles Turner + J Lamb (salaries close) Why we do it, Indiana gets a local star who may fit in perfectly for them, But with 1 year left, if he doesn't work out, can shed 32 Million of salary. and Young local star Romeo Langford, in case Indiana wants to rebuild young. I threw in the 30th as Indiana may need more incentive (no 1st) and 2nd if necassary.. I am thinking the market may be good IF M Turner goes on the trade block..

For Boston having a starting lineup of:

Kemba PG - J Brown SG - J Tatum SF - J Collins -PF M Turner C.. That line-up has ALL 5 players who can shoot and score and play good-great defense (except Kemba on defense.) But then Boston can use 14 and 26 to add any quality Wing and/or PG

14 - S Bey, Pat Williams, A Nesmith/ or Kira Lewis, R Hampton, Cole Anthony, T Terry, Ty Maxey
and

26 - Paul Reed, D Bane, J Ramsey, J Green, J McDaniels, Theo Maledon, Poku.

2nd Unit - so many combinations, but would have Theis, Grant Williams, J Lamb and any 2 combinations of young talent to rotate with multiple switchable offensive and defensive players..

Conclusions- a very timeline friendly- chemistry and switchable lineup with youth and talent that could compete for years IMO..

any thoughts opinions??

IND fans seem opposed to Turner for Hayward. Which, sure fans. But, even the financials are tough. I went thru it with one of their guys on the T&T board. Basically, your trade as is pushes them to the lux tax once they fill out the roster. So, you say, great dump Leaf or McDermott on us too, or something. But, they still have to replace them with vet mins and now they've lost 3 or 4 useful players for just an expiring, injury risk Hayward. So, it becomes less attractive.

[Darthlukey]

Spoiler:

My dream, but realistic trade scenarios. So many Trade idea's out there, Biggest offseason I can remember.. so close yet we have to get this right (Ainge and Stevens that is)

Trade with 2 parts..

1st. Trade Marcus Smart for John Collins straight up.. Reasons - Smart is one of our Core defenders and makes our Team defense Go.. He has great spirit and competitiveness. But he is sometimes a walking disaster with his need to go into Curry or Klay mode.. getting J Collins, who is a perfect fit as a modern day 4 or 5 man.. He shoots well, rebounds and plays defense like a savage. He can spot up or Roll or PNRs and won't demand the ball/take it out of Tatum's and Brown's hands. THAT IS SOMETIMES so overlooked when talking about good team chemistry. Smart's value is at it's highest at the moment and Atlanta could use a player of tat caliper.. I am aware Collins has one year left, but resigning him should be a No brainer..

2nd - Trade our beloved but Cursed G Hayward, Romeo Langford and our 30th pick for Myles Turner + J Lamb (salaries close) Why we do it, Indiana gets a local star who may fit in perfectly for them, But with 1 year left, if he doesn't work out, can shed 32 Million of salary. and Young local star Romeo Langford, in case Indiana wants to rebuild young. I threw in the 30th as Indiana may need more incentive (no 1st) and 2nd if necassary.. I am thinking the market may be good IF M Turner goes on the trade block..

For Boston having a starting lineup of:

Kemba PG - J Brown SG - J Tatum SF - J Collins -PF M Turner C.. That line-up has ALL 5 players who can shoot and score and play good-great defense (except Kemba on defense.) But then Boston can use 14 and 26 to add any quality Wing and/or PG

14 - S Bey, Pat Williams, A Nesmith/ or Kira Lewis, R Hampton, Cole Anthony, T Terry, Ty Maxey
and

26 - Paul Reed, D Bane, J Ramsey, J Green, J McDaniels, Theo Maledon, Poku.

2nd Unit - so many combinations, but would have Theis, Grant Williams, J Lamb and any 2 combinations of young talent to rotate with multiple switchable offensive and defensive players..

Conclusions- a very timeline friendly- chemistry and switchable lineup with youth and talent that could compete for years IMO..

any thoughts opinions??

IND fans seem opposed to Turner for Hayward. Which, sure fans. But, even the financials are tough. I went thru it with one of their guys on the T&T board. Basically, your trade as is pushes them to the lux tax once they fill out the roster. So, you say, great dump Leaf or McDermott on us too, or something. But, they still have to replace them with vet mins and now they've lost 3 or 4 useful players for just an expiring, injury risk Hayward. So, it becomes less attractive.

Do we want to be playing 2 bigs consistently as well? Tatum should be playing most of his minutes at the 4 I would think.

[Ernest]

There's no way to do it and not have it be a PR nightmare, but man I wish we could shop Kemba.

I think what we saw in the playoffs is basically what we're going to get from him moving forward in those types of games and that's at max money and an ailing knee.

This PR aspect is always talked about and then Ainge goes ahead and does whatever he wants and people get over it. Sure people like Kemba but how long has he been here? There's not pictures of him all over Boston like there were for IT and Ainge traded him. Not that you said it, but I've heard some form of this line a million times- "If you trade someone too soon after signing them future free agents won't want to come" and yet I can't think of an example of that ever happening with any team. I've never heard a player say they don't want to go somewhere because they traded someone.

[djFan71]

Spoiler:

My dream, but realistic trade scenarios. So many Trade idea's out there, Biggest offseason I can remember.. so close yet we have to get this right (Ainge and Stevens that is)

Trade with 2 parts..

1st. Trade Marcus Smart for John Collins straight up.. Reasons - Smart is one of our Core defenders and makes our Team defense Go.. He has great spirit and competitiveness. But he is sometimes a walking disaster with his need to go into Curry or Klay mode.. getting J Collins, who is a perfect fit as a modern day 4 or 5 man.. He shoots well, rebounds and plays defense like a savage. He can spot up or Roll or PNRs and won't demand the ball/take it out of Tatum's and Brown's hands. THAT IS SOMETIMES so overlooked when talking about good team chemistry. Smart's value is at it's highest at the moment and Atlanta could use a player of tat caliper.. I am aware Collins has one year left, but resigning him should be a No brainer..

2nd - Trade our beloved but Cursed G Hayward, Romeo Langford and our 30th pick for Myles Turner + J Lamb (salaries close) Why we do it, Indiana gets a local star who may fit in perfectly for them, But with 1 year left, if he doesn't work out, can shed 32 Million of salary. and Young local star Romeo Langford, in case Indiana wants to rebuild young. I threw in the 30th as Indiana may need more incentive (no 1st) and 2nd if necassary.. I am thinking the market may be good IF M Turner goes on the trade block..

For Boston having a starting lineup of:

Kemba PG - J Brown SG - J Tatum SF - J Collins -PF M Turner C.. That line-up has ALL 5 players who can shoot and score and play good-great defense (except Kemba on defense.) But then Boston can use 14 and 26 to add any quality Wing and/or PG

14 - S Bey, Pat Williams, A Nesmith/ or Kira Lewis, R Hampton, Cole Anthony, T Terry, Ty Maxey
and

26 - Paul Reed, D Bane, J Ramsey, J Green, J McDaniels, Theo Maledon, Poku.

2nd Unit - so many combinations, but would have Theis, Grant Williams, J Lamb and any 2 combinations of young talent to rotate with multiple switchable offensive and defensive players..

Conclusions- a very timeline friendly- chemistry and switchable lineup with youth and talent that could compete for years IMO..

any thoughts opinions??

IND fans seem opposed to Turner for Hayward. Which, sure fans. But, even the financials are tough. I went thru it with one of their guys on the T&T board. Basically, your trade as is pushes them to the lux tax once they fill out the roster. So, you say, great dump Leaf or McDermott on us too, or something. But, they still have to replace them with vet mins and now they've lost 3 or 4 useful players for just an expiring, injury risk Hayward. So, it becomes less attractive.

Do we want to be playing 2 bigs consistently as well? Tatum should be playing most of his minutes at the 4 I would think.

I agree. I don't know enough about Collins, but 2 true bigs doesn't thrill me.

[Ernest]

I'm all for changes but anyone adding Kemba into a trade scenario is wasting their time typing it out. Kemba is definitely not going anywhere in the second year of his contract and doubt Hayward goes anywhere unless he asks to get moved.

I don't know. Odds are they don't get traded but not because Danny won't do it, because he can't find a good deal. You don't trade either guy just to trade them. It has to be a good deal. The team is capped out now, so if we make no moves we basicly got what we got and hope for younger players to improve and add a few vet min contracts and MLE. Ainge and co need to take a hard look at that. The Raptors and the Heat planned for and shut down Kemba really well. So what's the plan for that not happening next year? Maybe it all just works itself out. Brown and Tatum improve to be the clear cut best and 2nd best players on the team and other teams focus on them not Kemba. Maybe having a small guy that can't switch on D continues to hurt us. It will be a hard look, but I trust Ainge and he is ruthless. To say any player is safe and its a waste of time to think about trades for them is just silly. Ainge wanted to trade Bird! He did trade PP and KG. He even traded Antoine Walker lol.

[ConstableGeneva]

There's no way to do it and not have it be a PR nightmare, but man I wish we could shop Kemba.

I think what we saw in the playoffs is basically what we're going to get from him moving forward in those types of games and that's at max money and an ailing knee.

This PR aspect is always talked about and then Ainge goes ahead and does whatever he wants and people get over it. Sure people like Kemba but how long has he been here? There's not pictures of him all over Boston like there were for IT and Ainge traded him. Not that you said it, but I've heard some form of this line a million times- "If you trade someone too soon after signing them future free agents won't want to come" and yet I can't think of an example of that ever happening with any team. I've never heard a player say they don't want to go somewhere because they traded someone.

The IT thing was used against the Celtics in the media in our pursuit for Anthony Davis. (AD was headed to the Lakers as soon as he signed with Klutch, regardless of this story. It's probably Klutch who paid for this story to come out.)

https://tv5.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25902808/anthony-davis-sr-want-son-boston-cites-treatment-isaiah-thomas

Sure, it came from his father and it's most likely just the propaganda machine of Lebron/Lakers at work but it doesn't take away from the fact that it shed a negative light on the Celtics/Ainge. Ultimately, players will do what's best for them -- Kemba and Kanter didn't seem affected by what happened to IT here since they still signed -- but these stories do get around among agents/players. They may be a factor to some and not to others. And the more the Celtics do it with our stars/players, the more it becomes a pattern. Expect blowback, whether we like it or not.

Personally, I like that Danny does what he sees fit for the franchise. And it's not like he dumps these players onto awful situations. KG & PP were traded to supposed contenders. Same with IT & Jae when they were shipped to perennial East champs. Ditto with Rondo & AB to playoff teams. But I'm not a player hehe. So I don't know how they think. Maybe some of them are enamored with the Lakers, Mavs, and Spurs for not trading their most recent franchise players/all-stars while they see it as a black mark with the Cs. Is this a thing we should worry about with Jaylen and Jayson once it's their turn to re-up (after their next contract)? I don't know.

[Ernest]

There's no way to do it and not have it be a PR nightmare, but man I wish we could shop Kemba.

I think what we saw in the playoffs is basically what we're going to get from him moving forward in those types of games and that's at max money and an ailing knee.

This PR aspect is always talked about and then Ainge goes ahead and does whatever he wants and people get over it. Sure people like Kemba but how long has he been here? There's not pictures of him all over Boston like there were for IT and Ainge traded him. Not that you said it, but I've heard some form of this line a million times- "If you trade someone too soon after signing them future free agents won't want to come" and yet I can't think of an example of that ever happening with any team. I've never heard a player say they don't want to go somewhere because they traded someone.

The IT thing was used against the Celtics in the media in our pursuit for Anthony Davis. (AD was headed to the Lakers as soon as he signed with Klutch, regardless of this story. It's probably Klutch who paid for this story to come out.)

https://tv5.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25902808/anthony-davis-sr-want-son-boston-cites-treatment-isaiah-thomas

Sure, it came from his father and it's most likely just the propaganda machine of Lebron/Lakers at work but it doesn't take away from the fact that it shed a negative light on the Celtics/Ainge. Ultimately, players will do what's best for them -- Kemba and Kanter didn't seem affected by what happened to IT here since they still signed -- but these stories do get around among agents/players. They may be a factor to some and not to others. And the more the Celtics do it with our stars/players, the more it becomes a pattern. Expect blowback, whether we like it or not.

Personally, I like that Danny does what he sees fit for the franchise. And it's not like he dumps these players onto awful situations. KG & PP were traded to supposed contenders. Same with IT & Jae when they were shipped to perennial East champs. Ditto with Rondo & AB to playoff teams. But I'm not a player hehe. So I don't know how they think. Maybe some of them are enamored with the Lakers, Mavs, and Spurs for not trading their most recent franchise players/all-stars while they see it as a black mark with the Cs. Is this a thing we should worry about with Jaylen and Jayson once it's their turn to re-up (after their next contract)? I don't know.

I think that what is in the media and what players think are really different things. Any player who expects any loyalty from any team is pretty foolish. Any team will trade anyone if it makes sense for them (ok maybe not a Kobe or Dirk or someone who has been there forever, but it doesn't apply to a new guy thats for sure.) The media just wants stories. These are the same people who write about Jeff Van Gundy being in the running for every head coaching job for the last 10 years.

No one likes being traded unless they want to move. That's what it is, a forced move. New house new schools exc. But it's a business. Remember how many trades Danny made that year we were rebuilding after trading KG and PP? If there was gonna be blow back from too many trades I think we would have already seen it. That's why its kind of annoying to keep hearing about this trade blowback concept. There is no proof, the only thing there seems to be is people on message boards saying it, reading it and repeating it.

[Bostondave]

Trade Hayward for almost anything. He's damaged goods. The experiment was a failure.

[Saint Lazarus]

There's no way to do it and not have it be a PR nightmare, but man I wish we could shop Kemba.

I think what we saw in the playoffs is basically what we're going to get from him moving forward in those types of games and that's at max money and an ailing knee.

This PR aspect is always talked about and then Ainge goes ahead and does whatever he wants and people get over it. Sure people like Kemba but how long has he been here? There's not pictures of him all over Boston like there were for IT and Ainge traded him. Not that you said it, but I've heard some form of this line a million times- "If you trade someone too soon after signing them future free agents won't want to come" and yet I can't think of an example of that ever happening with any team. I've never heard a player say they don't want to go somewhere because they traded someone.

https://sports.yahoo.com/report-anthony-davis-father-doesnt-want-son-celtics-due-teams-treatment-isaiah-thomas-022722465.html

I think Anthony davis is a ****, but it's not that hard to look if you actually tried...

[vct33]

I’m only listing the primary parts. Picks and rookie contracts would certainly need to be involved to balance things.

Boston Out: G Hayward
Boston In: J Randle, D McDermott

Indy Out: V Oladipo, D McDermott
Indy In: G Hayward

NY Out: J Randle
NY In: V Oladipo

Where do the sweeteners need to be added to make this work?

[Floody100]

I’m only listing the primary parts. Picks and rookie contracts would certainly need to be involved to balance things.

Boston Out: G Hayward
Boston In: J Randle, D McDermott

Indy Out: V Oladipo, D McDermott
Indy In: G Hayward

NY Out: J Randle
NY In: V Oladipo

Where do the sweeteners need to be added to make this work?

Big no to Randle. I’d like McDermott though.

[ddb]

I’m only listing the primary parts. Picks and rookie contracts would certainly need to be involved to balance things.

Boston Out: G Hayward
Boston In: J Randle, D McDermott

Indy Out: V Oladipo, D McDermott
Indy In: G Hayward

NY Out: J Randle
NY In: V Oladipo

Where do the sweeteners need to be added to make this work?

you have got to be kidding me. Horrible horrible deal for Boston

[TheMartian]

Would you be interested in LouWill if true?

[Saint Lazarus]

Would you be interested in LouWill if true?

Are there strip clubs and lemon pepper wings in Boston?