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Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2

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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#1581 » by djFan71 » Today 7:40 pm

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Celts17Pride wrote:NBA writer Eric Pincus of Bleacher Report created the following trade idea:

Dallas Mavericks get: Anfernee Simons (from Celtics), Haywood Highsmith (from Nets)

Boston Celtics get: Daniel Gafford (from Mavericks), $27.7 million trade exception (Anfernee Simons)

Brooklyn Nets get: Klay Thompson (from Mavericks), Dwight Powell (from Mavericks), Rights to Yam Madar (No. 47 in 2020, from Celtics), 2026 second-rounder (via Celtics), 2030 Philadelphia 76ers second-rounder (via Mavericks), 2031 protected Houston Rockets second-rounder (via Celtics), 3.98 million (from Mavericks), $3.98 million (from Celtics)


Sign me up for this one. Celtics would have two large TPE's for next year $27.7 million and $22 million plus more depth at center. Celtics keep all their first round picks. Too good to be true.

Yeah absolute home run. They’d be a legit threat to win a playoff series this year if one is in to that sort of thing.

At any rate if that’s offered have to take it it’s a huge leg up on next year.

I agree, just seems to good to actually happen.

Dallas agrees.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#1582 » by redslastlaugh » Today 7:42 pm

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Celts17Pride wrote:
165bows wrote:Yeah absolute home run. They’d be a legit threat to win a playoff series this year if one is in to that sort of thing.

At any rate if that’s offered have to take it it’s a huge leg up on next year.

I agree, just seems to good to actually happen.

Dallas agrees.

But also, Mavs payroll is $208M this year and $217M next year. Now that Nico Harrison is gone, Dallas is sure to change gears and start dumping long term money & that Simons expiring $27.7 might start to look extremely appealing
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#1583 » by Cricket23 » Today 8:09 pm

No to that trade, Gafford is not a very good player and will be a bad contract moving forward. It's a loser move.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#1584 » by djFan71 » Today 8:37 pm

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Celts17Pride wrote:I agree, just seems to good to actually happen.

Dallas agrees.

But also, Mavs payroll is $208M this year and $217M next year. Now that Nico Harrison is gone, Dallas is sure to change gears and start dumping long term money & that Simons expiring $27.7 might start to look extremely appealing

Definitely, they'll look to dump Klay and possibly Gaff. But Gafford is still a positive asset and , I don't think it costs him and the picks and $ to get off 1.5 years of Klay. BOS is stealing some value here.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#1585 » by Cricket23 » Today 8:43 pm

I can't fathom how paying a center an average of 18 mil over the next 3 years who's no better than Queta would be a good thing.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#1586 » by Celts17Pride » Today 9:14 pm

Cricket23 wrote:I can't fathom how paying a center an average of 18 mil over the next 3 years who's no better than Queta would be a good thing.

Because all the ones that are better cost $25-30 million which is out of the Celtics price tag. Celtics may very well use the draft to get center depth.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#1587 » by redslastlaugh » Today 9:29 pm

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Cricket23 wrote:I can't fathom how paying a center an average of 18 mil over the next 3 years who's no better than Queta would be a good thing.

Because all the ones that are better cost $25-30 million which is out of the Celtics price tag. Celtics may very well use the draft to get center depth.

Last year's draft was extremely deep in centers (and PF/C). Twelve centers (inc PF/C) were taken in the draft and we got the 12th taken, in Amari Williams.

Obviously we had #32 before we traded down and 4 bigs (Kalkbrenner, Broome, Raynaud, Zikarsky) came off the board before we took Amari at #46. It seems we traded down to get extra 2nds to use to dump Georges Niang or that Brad only wanted to roster one rookie and later in the draft we could draft a center who would accept the lesser money of a two-way...

But there is another option, which is that Brad had Amari Williams as the best center on the board at #32 and through intel, the front office realized they could trade down, add assets, and still get their guy ... I hope this is what happened, and Amari Williams is just a 1st round talent type of big and Brad played it perfectly
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#1588 » by playa-hater » Today 9:42 pm

You can make the argument that Kalk, at this moment, may actually be better than Gafford. But If you factor in pay-scale then Kalk is so much better than Gafford. Stevens F*cked up by not drafting Kalk as much as Ainge messed up by not "keeping/drafting" Desmond Bane.

That is a mistake that may costs us dearly over time.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#1589 » by Cricket23 » Today 9:49 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
Cricket23 wrote:I can't fathom how paying a center an average of 18 mil over the next 3 years who's no better than Queta would be a good thing.

Because all the ones that are better cost $25-30 million which is out of the Celtics price tag. Celtics may very well use the draft to get center depth.


I don't see this as a good argument to trade for a guy like Gafford.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#1590 » by BostoNZ » Today 10:11 pm

I'm not giving up Yam Madar unless it's Jokic/Wemby coming back
Actually I would do the Gafford trade - $21mil/year for 48 mins of Gafford and Queta would be great...
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#1591 » by redslastlaugh » Today 10:14 pm

That would be funny if Brad drew the line in the sand before Yam Madar

I'm not giving up on Yam Madar, I'm Just Not! lol...

BostoNZ wrote:I'm not giving up Yam Madar unless it's Jokic/Wemby coming back
Actually I would do the Gafford trade - $21mil/year for 48 mins of Gafford and Queta would be great...
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#1592 » by djFan71 » Today 10:18 pm

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Celts17Pride wrote:
Cricket23 wrote:I can't fathom how paying a center an average of 18 mil over the next 3 years who's no better than Queta would be a good thing.

Because all the ones that are better cost $25-30 million which is out of the Celtics price tag. Celtics may very well use the draft to get center depth.


I don't see this as a good argument to trade for a guy like Gafford.

The argument is he's a good rotation center and the extension is basically fair. He's a tad injury prone lately is the main concern. What Queta makes is ultimately irrelevant. It's like Hauser making more than Pritchard. Is what it is. Helpful for the Cs that they'd have 2 rotation centers available for $20+ million.

There is an argument to go cheap next summer with a Richards or RobWill or something approach instead, though. Maybe talk KP into the MLE... But, getting out of the tax and a rotation level center locked up for the next 3 years is a good deal, imo.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#1593 » by Dogen » Today 10:31 pm

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Celts17Pride wrote:
Cricket23 wrote:I can't fathom how paying a center an average of 18 mil over the next 3 years who's no better than Queta would be a good thing.

Because all the ones that are better cost $25-30 million which is out of the Celtics price tag. Celtics may very well use the draft to get center depth.

Last year's draft was extremely deep in centers (and PF/C). Twelve centers (inc PF/C) were taken in the draft and we got the 12th taken, in Amari Williams.

Obviously we had #32 before we traded down and 4 bigs (Kalkbrenner, Broome, Raynaud, Zikarsky) came off the board before we took Amari at #46. It seems we traded down to get extra 2nds to use to dump Georges Niang or that Brad only wanted to roster one rookie and later in the draft we could draft a center who would accept the lesser money of a two-way...

But there is another option, which is that Brad had Amari Williams as the best center on the board at #32 and through intel, the front office realized they could trade down, add assets, and still get their guy ... I hope this is what happened, and Amari Williams is just a 1st round talent type of big and Brad played it perfectly


After Brad surprised us with the Hugo pick at 28, and Fleming was snagged at 31, I was ready for either Penda or best big available at #32. So I was happy that Kalk was there, and Raynaud too.

The trade back threw a wrench into the works, and the only thing I could surmise was that those two bigs were not happy to play for a team that would have them on a 2 Way. This all happened before the departure of Porzingis, Horford, and Kornet, of course, so even though we knew not everyone would be back, we didn't know that the front court would be so depleted.

So who knows what might have been. I have been following Amari in Maine a bit. I wouldn't count him out just yet. Maybe he's a notch below Kalkbrenner, and doesn't have much of an offensive game to speak of yet, but his outlier qualities are exceptional, with legit size. That passing ability from the high post could really work in a Celtic system with shooters and cutters at the other 4 spots. If Amari can develop a decent mid-range shot, it will really increase his value.

I do hope they bring him in to the big club a few times this year. With Queta out, it might be a good opportunity for Amari, even if he can give just 5-10 minutes a game.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#1594 » by Cricket23 » Today 10:34 pm

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Celts17Pride wrote:Because all the ones that are better cost $25-30 million which is out of the Celtics price tag. Celtics may very well use the draft to get center depth.


I don't see this as a good argument to trade for a guy like Gafford.

The argument is he's a good rotation center and the extension is basically fair. He's a tad injury prone lately is the main concern. What Queta makes is ultimately irrelevant. It's like Hauser making more than Pritchard. Is what it is. Helpful for the Cs that they'd have 2 rotation centers available for $20+ million.

There is an argument to go cheap next summer with a Richards or RobWill or something approach instead, though. Maybe talk KP into the MLE... But, getting out of the tax and a rotation level center locked up for the next 3 years is a good deal, imo.


Only thing is that I don't think he's good, I see him as mediocre. Of course, opinions will vary.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#1595 » by djFan71 » Today 10:38 pm

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djFan71 wrote:
Cricket23 wrote:
I don't see this as a good argument to trade for a guy like Gafford.

The argument is he's a good rotation center and the extension is basically fair. He's a tad injury prone lately is the main concern. What Queta makes is ultimately irrelevant. It's like Hauser making more than Pritchard. Is what it is. Helpful for the Cs that they'd have 2 rotation centers available for $20+ million.

There is an argument to go cheap next summer with a Richards or RobWill or something approach instead, though. Maybe talk KP into the MLE... But, getting out of the tax and a rotation level center locked up for the next 3 years is a good deal, imo.


Only thing is that I don't think he's good, I see him as mediocre. Of course, opinions will vary.

That would definitely put a damper on your enthusiasm for trading for him. I think he’s in that 25-40 ranking center wise? Without actually doing the list…. Low tier starter, high tier backup. I think Queta, someone of Gaff level, Garza and one more (pick, FA) is a good big rotation for when Tatum is back. If you get a different guy cheaper for that 2nd slot, awesome.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#1596 » by redslastlaugh » Today 10:39 pm

Dogen wrote:
redslastlaugh wrote:Last year's draft was extremely deep in centers (and PF/C). Twelve centers (inc PF/C) were taken in the draft and we got the 12th taken, in Amari Williams.

Obviously we had #32 before we traded down and 4 bigs (Kalkbrenner, Broome, Raynaud, Zikarsky) came off the board before we took Amari at #46. It seems we traded down to get extra 2nds to use to dump Georges Niang or that Brad only wanted to roster one rookie and later in the draft we could draft a center who would accept the lesser money of a two-way...

But there is another option, which is that Brad had Amari Williams as the best center on the board at #32 ... I hope this is what happened, and Amari Williams is just a 1st round talent


After Brad surprised us with the Hugo pick at 28, and Fleming was snagged at 31, I was ready for either Penda or best big available at #32. So I was happy that Kalk was there, and Raynaud too.

The trade back threw a wrench into the works, and the only thing I could surmise was that those two bigs were not happy to play for a team that would have them on a 2 Way. This all happened before the departure of Porzingis, Horford, and Kornet, of course, so even though we knew not everyone would be back, we didn't know that the front court would be so depleted.

So who knows what might have been. I have been following Amari in Maine a bit. I wouldn't count him out just yet. Maybe he's a notch below Kalkbrenner, and doesn't have much of an offensive game to speak of yet, but his outlier qualities are exceptional, with legit size. That passing ability from the high post could really work in a Celtic system with shooters and cutters at the other 4 spots. If Amari can develop a decent mid-range shot, it will really increase his value.

I do hope they bring him in to the big club a few times this year. With Queta out, it might be a good opportunity for Amari, even if he can give just 5-10 minutes a game.

I would LOVE IT if we could see some Amari Williams as soon as Right Now, lol ... Queta's been awesome, Garza's hustle is inspiring but he's not a long term answer, & Tillman/Boucher neither will be on the roster next year ... so let's see Amari, why not?

I look around the league and I see late picks getting some run: Kalkbrenner and Sion James, Noah Penda last night, Will Richard & Tyrese Proctor and then some guys getting minutes because of injury like Kobe Sanders ....

And I am just ready to see Amari Williams, why wait? What are we waiting for, lol ??
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#1597 » by redslastlaugh » 34 minutes ago

Yea, Rob played almost the entire 4th and was a difference maker in the win!



Rob's not as bouncy as he used to be, but he is still surprisingly bouncy given all the wear and tear... I hope he can have a nice stretch of health here, if anyone deserves a good stretch of health it's him

Fierce1 wrote:Rob Williams was great in their win against GSW.

Rob really laid the smack down on Jimmy and Draymond in crunch time.
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Re: Free Agent/Trade/Waiver Thread, 2025-26, part 2 

Post#1598 » by BostoNZ » 1 minute ago

Rob is a shoe-in to return on a vet min in the offseason - probably as part of a 4 big rotation, with his unreliability

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