The (Quintessential) Trade Thread, 2017 (Part 5.0)

[Andrew McCeltic]

WillCS has been dunking well as of late. He's still raw, like a young Javale McGee, but not as stupid. He doesn't rebound and he has the athleticism to be a great defender but he doesn't have the focus yet.

I'd trade Rozier or a 1st for him in a heartbeat.

I know Danny loves Terry Rozier and thinks he can be a star, and he's probably right. Needs more seasoning but has the athleticism to be a disruptive offensive player.

That said I think when we've got so much guard depth and a high lotto pick, I don't think I'd have the self-control not to trade him for a center - Noel or Okafor or WCS.

[Homerclease]

I actually just called in a minute ago and told him, he would have us mortgage all assets and cap space, basically rendering us the Atlanta Hawks. He seems for whatever reason stuck on this idea that Having Butler, IT and Al is a finish line worthy of celebration in and of itself like that automatically guarantees us anything. He even admits that it probably doesn't get us past GSW but it looks cool. It's so much easier to just be impatient.

I heard that call. Apparently Lou is happy just being good enough, his point he keeps circling back to is "oh, you got Jaylen Brown and Jimmy Butler for the nets trade that's pretty good!"

Well I got news for ya Lou, this is Boston. We're not in the business of being pretty good. We want titles.

Yeah, that was me. "Aaron in New Hampshire". The slew of calls that followed after that were God awful. People wanting to move the #1 for Okafor because we HAVE to trade that pick. Lou thought that guy was right on. I had to turn it off at that point.

He wanted to move the 3 last year for Okafor too. He doesn't get it and as a baseball guy he should. Chicago asked for the Moon for Chris Sale in the middle of the season, the sox waited until the offseason and got him for half price. Trading a nets pick at this point is trading Anderson Espinoza for Pomeranz all over again

[klemen4]

WCS contract for 2017 is 3,7 mill, Roziers is 2 mill.

We can not take more salary in, than going out because we lose max cap space in 2017.

This trade only works in Brk pick is nb.3, because there is 1,6 million difference betwen 1st and 3rd pick, but we will not know that till loterry.
OR
Trade also works if we do not bring Zizic in 2017, because his slary will be 1,65 mill.

It would be a great move, actually for both teams, but...

[sogood]

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[cl2117]

WCS contract for 2017 is 3,7 mill, Roziers is 2 mill.

We can not take more salary in, than going out because we lose max cap space in 2017.

This trade only works in Brk pick is nb.3, because there is 1,6 million difference betwen 1st and 3rd pick, but we will not know that till loterry.
OR
Trade also works if we do not bring Zizic in 2017, because his slary will be 1,65 mill.

It would be a great move, actually for both teams, but...

Throw in a James Young for Ty Lawson swap (just cut Lawson) and it works I think.

[mpharris36]

coming in peace and don't need to discuss value because I'm sure we see value differently just from a pure player standpoint doesn't Kyle O'quinn make the most sense unless the Celtics are looking for a BIG move.

KOQ defends the rim at 46% (really good)
KOQ leads the NBA in blocks per 36
KOQ has a pretty good mid range game so you wouildn't have to worry about spacing issues for other defensive center types
KOQ is actually a pretty nifty passer

His one biggest problem is fouling too much. Since he does lead the NBA in blocks per 36 he tends to think he can block everything so he does get over agressive and foul a lot.

But in terms of the type of players that would make sense in a 20-25 minute a night role under a good cheap contract I think it would make a ton of sense. Whether or not what ainge is will to give up that is another question.

[bucknersrevenge]

I heard that call. Apparently Lou is happy just being good enough, his point he keeps circling back to is "oh, you got Jaylen Brown and Jimmy Butler for the nets trade that's pretty good!"

Well I got news for ya Lou, this is Boston. We're not in the business of being pretty good. We want titles.

Yeah, that was me. "Aaron in New Hampshire". The slew of calls that followed after that were God awful. People wanting to move the #1 for Okafor because we HAVE to trade that pick. Lou thought that guy was right on. I had to turn it off at that point.

He wanted to move the 3 last year for Okafor too. He doesn't get it and as a baseball guy he should. Chicago asked for the Moon for Chris Sale in the middle of the season, the sox waited until the offseason and got him for half price. Trading a nets pick at this point is trading Anderson Espinoza for Pomeranz all over again

That is the best analogy I've ever heard.

[Writebloc]

coming in peace and don't need to discuss value because I'm sure we see value differently just from a pure player standpoint doesn't Kyle O'quinn make the most sense unless the Celtics are looking for a BIG move.

KOQ defends the rim at 46% (really good)
KOQ leads the NBA in blocks per 36
KOQ has a pretty good mid range game so you wouildn't have to worry about spacing issues for other defensive center types
KOQ is actually a pretty nifty passer

His one biggest problem is fouling too much. Since he does lead the NBA in blocks per 36 he tends to think he can block everything so he does get over agressive and foul a lot.

But in terms of the type of players that would make sense in a 20-25 minute a night role under a good cheap contract I think it would make a ton of sense. Whether or not what ainge is will to give up that is another question.

Interesting but you never say what the Knicks would want back? I'm sure it would have to be a future first or do you think multiple seconds? When is his contract up?

[chrisab123]

coming in peace and don't need to discuss value because I'm sure we see value differently just from a pure player standpoint doesn't Kyle O'quinn make the most sense unless the Celtics are looking for a BIG move.

KOQ defends the rim at 46% (really good)
KOQ leads the NBA in blocks per 36
KOQ has a pretty good mid range game so you wouildn't have to worry about spacing issues for other defensive center types
KOQ is actually a pretty nifty passer

His one biggest problem is fouling too much. Since he does lead the NBA in blocks per 36 he tends to think he can block everything so he does get over aggressive and foul a lot.

But in terms of the type of players that would make sense in a 20-25 minute a night role under a good cheap contract I think it would make a ton of sense. Whether or not what ainge is will to give up that is another question.

I like O'Quinn. He's a good bench guy. He would stand a chance at being the starting 5 here. They would need to move some contracts around to keep from eating into the max contract room that Ainge has set aside for Hayward.

[mpharris36]

coming in peace and don't need to discuss value because I'm sure we see value differently just from a pure player standpoint doesn't Kyle O'quinn make the most sense unless the Celtics are looking for a BIG move.

KOQ defends the rim at 46% (really good)
KOQ leads the NBA in blocks per 36
KOQ has a pretty good mid range game so you wouildn't have to worry about spacing issues for other defensive center types
KOQ is actually a pretty nifty passer

His one biggest problem is fouling too much. Since he does lead the NBA in blocks per 36 he tends to think he can block everything so he does get over agressive and foul a lot.

But in terms of the type of players that would make sense in a 20-25 minute a night role under a good cheap contract I think it would make a ton of sense. Whether or not what ainge is will to give up that is another question.

Interesting but you never say what the Knicks would want back? I'm sure it would have to be a future first or do you think multiple seconds? When is his contract up?

They def wont trade him for just a couple seconds.

2016-17 - 3.9 million
2017-18 - 4 million
2018-19 - 4.25 million (player option)

assuming he continues to play like this he will be declining that player option. But that means he also wouldn't be a 1 year rental. You would have a extremely productive cheap backup big for next year as well.

The value is still something I'm not sure what the knicks are looking for. Probably a future 1st (with obvious protections)...maybe a young developing player as well. Really not sure. Was more coming to see if people saw KOQ as a fit in terms of a "cheaper" option.

[Writebloc]

coming in peace and don't need to discuss value because I'm sure we see value differently just from a pure player standpoint doesn't Kyle O'quinn make the most sense unless the Celtics are looking for a BIG move.

KOQ defends the rim at 46% (really good)
KOQ leads the NBA in blocks per 36
KOQ has a pretty good mid range game so you wouildn't have to worry about spacing issues for other defensive center types
KOQ is actually a pretty nifty passer

His one biggest problem is fouling too much. Since he does lead the NBA in blocks per 36 he tends to think he can block everything so he does get over agressive and foul a lot.

But in terms of the type of players that would make sense in a 20-25 minute a night role under a good cheap contract I think it would make a ton of sense. Whether or not what ainge is will to give up that is another question.

Interesting but you never say what the Knicks would want back? I'm sure it would have to be a future first or do you think multiple seconds? When is his contract up?

They def wont trade him for just a couple seconds.

2016-17 - 3.9 million
2017-18 - 4 million
2018-19 - 4.25 million (player option)

assuming he continues to play like this he will be declining that player option. But that means he also wouldn't be a 1 year rental. You would have a extremely productive cheap backup big for next year as well.

The value is still something I'm not sure what the knicks are looking for. Probably a future 1st (with obvious protections)...maybe a young developing player as well. Really not sure. Was more coming to see if people saw KOQ as a fit in terms of a "cheaper" option.

I can't see the Celtics giving up a future first and a young player for Kyle O'Quinn, I doubt anyone would. Maybe one or the other? I think the problem is the money and the length of the deal. It seems that Danny is hell bent on keeping maximum cap space on the team, it makes the options in acquiring player extremely limited.

[CelticFaninLBC]

WCS contract for 2017 is 3,7 mill, Roziers is 2 mill.

We can not take more salary in, than going out because we lose max cap space in 2017.

This trade only works in Brk pick is nb.3, because there is 1,6 million difference betwen 1st and 3rd pick, but we will not know that till loterry.
OR
Trade also works if we do not bring Zizic in 2017, because his slary will be 1,65 mill.

It would be a great move, actually for both teams, but...

It wouldn't be too difficult to cut some payroll in the offseason to get back max space. If they end up drafting Ball or Fultz, then AB or Smart is likely dealt. I can see either or Crowder getting dealt for a top 10 2017 pick...

[ConstableGeneva]

WCS contract for 2017 is 3,7 mill, Roziers is 2 mill.

We can not take more salary in, than going out because we lose max cap space in 2017.

This trade only works in Brk pick is nb.3, because there is 1,6 million difference betwen 1st and 3rd pick, but we will not know that till loterry.
OR
Trade also works if we do not bring Zizic in 2017, because his slary will be 1,65 mill.

It would be a great move, actually for both teams, but...

It wouldn't be too difficult to cut some payroll in the offseason to get back max space. If they end up drafting Ball or Fultz, then AB or Smart is likely dealt. I can see either or Crowder getting dealt for a top 10 2017 pick...

Draft comes before FA. You're trading away a key piece before getting an agreement that a max player is signing in Boston?

Edit: I don't see Crowder's trade value to be that high.

[CelticFaninLBC]

WCS contract for 2017 is 3,7 mill, Roziers is 2 mill.

We can not take more salary in, than going out because we lose max cap space in 2017.

This trade only works in Brk pick is nb.3, because there is 1,6 million difference betwen 1st and 3rd pick, but we will not know that till loterry.
OR
Trade also works if we do not bring Zizic in 2017, because his slary will be 1,65 mill.

It would be a great move, actually for both teams, but...

It wouldn't be too difficult to cut some payroll in the offseason to get back max space. If they end up drafting Ball or Fultz, then AB or Smart is likely dealt. I can see either or Crowder getting dealt for a top 10 2017 pick...

Draft comes before FA. You're trading away a key piece before getting an agreement that a max player is signing in Boston?

Hypothetically, they'd have IT, AB, Smart, Brown (can play the 2), and either Ball or Fultz, as their guards. This team sorely lacks size, and they're likely to lose Olynyk. I'm guessing Stevens would love to get Markkanen to bomb away from 3.

[CeltsfaninDC]

coming in peace and don't need to discuss value because I'm sure we see value differently just from a pure player standpoint doesn't Kyle O'quinn make the most sense unless the Celtics are looking for a BIG move.

KOQ defends the rim at 46% (really good)
KOQ leads the NBA in blocks per 36
KOQ has a pretty good mid range game so you wouildn't have to worry about spacing issues for other defensive center types
KOQ is actually a pretty nifty passer

His one biggest problem is fouling too much. Since he does lead the NBA in blocks per 36 he tends to think he can block everything so he does get over agressive and foul a lot.

But in terms of the type of players that would make sense in a 20-25 minute a night role under a good cheap contract I think it would make a ton of sense. Whether or not what ainge is will to give up that is another question.

I watched him play again last night and he would fill a big hole for the Cs IMO. As we've discussed various Melo ideas on this board his name repeatedly comes up as a good piece for us. I can't see the Cs giving up too much at this point, but if Phil was looking for future picks or a Young type player and a pick then I think that would work.


(Also, you'll find we're a very peaceful group here as long as you don't come in ranting and insulting us)

[NotALongIslandr]

I don't think Phil lets KOQ go w/o a deal for Melo.

[mpharris36]

coming in peace and don't need to discuss value because I'm sure we see value differently just from a pure player standpoint doesn't Kyle O'quinn make the most sense unless the Celtics are looking for a BIG move.

KOQ defends the rim at 46% (really good)
KOQ leads the NBA in blocks per 36
KOQ has a pretty good mid range game so you wouildn't have to worry about spacing issues for other defensive center types
KOQ is actually a pretty nifty passer

His one biggest problem is fouling too much. Since he does lead the NBA in blocks per 36 he tends to think he can block everything so he does get over agressive and foul a lot.

But in terms of the type of players that would make sense in a 20-25 minute a night role under a good cheap contract I think it would make a ton of sense. Whether or not what ainge is will to give up that is another question.

I watched him play again last night and he would fill a big hole for the Cs IMO. As we've discussed various Melo ideas on this board his name repeatedly comes up as a good piece for us. I can't see the Cs giving up too much at this point, but if Phil was looking for future picks or a Young type player and a pick then I think that would work.


(Also, you'll find we're a very peaceful group here as long as you don't come in ranting and insulting us)

yeah I mean I know every fan base has some sort of homerism it makes us fans at the end of the day. Just from seeing the back and forth between people coming the knicks forum and people coming here I see a distinct difference in what each team would be willing to give up. So I didn't even want to delve into that side of things because at the end of the day what we think really doesn't matter.

I was actually just interested to see if Celtics fans thought he would be a nice piece (because I think he fits in perfectly) his offensive game with his ability to protect the rim and rebound.

Now what gets the deal done? I'm not sure. Probably some kind of 1st round pick, jerebko, and a 2nd round pick...or the rights to someone. I dont know...depending on how worth while the 1st round pick is there might not be anything else needed except for salary filler.

[mpharris36]

I don't think Phil lets KOQ go w/o a deal for Melo.

For the right deal I could see it regardless because we have a bit of a glut at center. Obviously WHG is playing the most of our minutes, noah will be back eventually (and will play and his contract can't be traded right now). They even like Plumlee a little.

KOQ has had a very productive year and his value may never be as great because his contract is so enticing in terms of not just being a 1 year rental. He still only avg's 15 or so minutes a game for us. I think he would get a lot more productivity when he plays 20-25 and gets into a rhythm.

It just depends on what type of value he puts on KOQ.

[ryaningf]

Danny Ainge is unsentimental, I could see him dealing Amir/Smart for Vuc.

The argument would be that we have guard depth, it's a guard draft, Rozier is going to be good, we can't pay IT, Bradley *and* Marcus what they deserve, it's hard to get good bigs..

Smart is the guts of the team, though. Rare to find guys who make defensive plays like he does - where the steal or block is so unlikely you see 9 guys lurch to a stop all at once to change direction. Noel makes plays like that, too.

Just no clue how Ainge is seeing the board, or how he evaluates guys.

Wait. Orlando wants Smart? What about Payton?

I'd target Aaron Gordon is this scenario. He's been injured and miscast so far in his career but he's a Draymond type top 10 guy in a couple years if he gets in the right system and stays healthy.

[TheOGJabroni]

coming in peace and don't need to discuss value because I'm sure we see value differently just from a pure player standpoint doesn't Kyle O'quinn make the most sense unless the Celtics are looking for a BIG move.

KOQ defends the rim at 46% (really good)
KOQ leads the NBA in blocks per 36
KOQ has a pretty good mid range game so you wouildn't have to worry about spacing issues for other defensive center types
KOQ is actually a pretty nifty passer

His one biggest problem is fouling too much. Since he does lead the NBA in blocks per 36 he tends to think he can block everything so he does get over agressive and foul a lot.

But in terms of the type of players that would make sense in a 20-25 minute a night role under a good cheap contract I think it would make a ton of sense. Whether or not what ainge is will to give up that is another question.

I watched him play again last night and he would fill a big hole for the Cs IMO. As we've discussed various Melo ideas on this board his name repeatedly comes up as a good piece for us. I can't see the Cs giving up too much at this point, but if Phil was looking for future picks or a Young type player and a pick then I think that would work.


(Also, you'll find we're a very peaceful group here as long as you don't come in ranting and insulting us)

yeah I mean I know every fan base has some sort of homerism it makes us fans at the end of the day. Just from seeing the back and forth between people coming the knicks forum and people coming here I see a distinct difference in what each team would be willing to give up. So I didn't even want to delve into that side of things because at the end of the day what we think really doesn't matter.

I was actually just interested to see if Celtics fans thought he would be a nice piece (because I think he fits in perfectly) his offensive game with his ability to protect the rim and rebound.

Now what gets the deal done? I'm not sure. Probably some kind of 1st round pick, jerebko, and a 2nd round pick...or the rights to someone. I dont know...depending on how worth while the 1st round pick is there might not be anything else needed except for salary filler.

I'd be surprised if the Knicks were so willing to move him. Seems like he and Hernangomez could be nice pieces to pair with KP. From the Celtics standpoint, I agree that he'd be a good fit and wouldn't kill us from a cap perspective if we were to go after Hayward.

I would think the return would be something like Rozier & a future 2nd maybe. If they were dead set on getting a first, it might be a future 1st of Boston's own, along with Young & Mickey, something along those lines.