Summer Trade/(OffSeason) Thread 2017

[Banks2Pierce]

Having a ton of trouble identifying a good Bradley trade if we know Hayward is coming and Philly's not interested in AB.

Coming to the conclusion that we'll probably need to stack things to get a decent value.

Wolves (current or future first) or Clippers (long term future first)

Would love to get in on that Wolves 1st somehow, but I'm guessing it's too high and valuable for the assets we'd want to part with. Similar logic for the Knicks 1st. I do think teams like LAC and NYK will be very scared to do any sort of future 1sts to us without castrating the bejeezus out of the pick with protections.

I like Juancho for Denver, but they seem fine at sg with Harris and Barton.

[Stadium5]

Avery Bradley & BKN 18 for Klay Thompson & 2020 unprotected 1st

Isaiah Thomas & Crowder for Julius Randle

Fultz
Klay
Brown
Randle
Horford

You should be banned for this.

Why?

Fultz and Klay would be a pretty good backcourt

The IT Randle one is more random. Replace Randle with anything resembling a young rebounder

[canman1971]

Avery Bradley & BKN 18 for Klay Thompson & 2020 unprotected 1st

Isaiah Thomas & Crowder for Julius Randle

Fultz
Klay
Brown
Randle
Horford

You should be banned for this.

Why?

Fultz and Klay would be a pretty good backcourt

The IT Randle one is more random. Replace Randle with anything resembling a young rebounder

I was being facetious, but that IT trade is just terrible.

[Stadium5]

You should be banned for this.

Why?

Fultz and Klay would be a pretty good backcourt

The IT Randle one is more random. Replace Randle with anything resembling a young rebounder

I was being facetious, but that IT trade is just terrible.

lol yea amittedly the IT trade proposal was rushed, but you get my point lol. I am actually interested to see what the W's would say about the Bradley/BKN 18 trade. What do C fans think of it?

[Fencer reregistered]

There's a deal template that isn't much discussed, namely:

1. Celtics renounce FAs other than Olynyk.

2. Celtics use whatever cap space they then have.

3. Celtics THEN acquire a max guy via a S&T that also sends out Olynyk in a S&T. Perhaps Olynyk gets overpaid (his incentive to cooperate) and the Cs reward the team getting him with pick considerations accordingly.


Theoretically, this could happen with the Cs shedding no more players than in scenarios that don't include #2. I.e., the guys going out who have the status of "starter", "main-rotation player" and/or "spot starter" are Amir, JJ, Kelly, Zeller and one of Bradley/Crowder. And there's still an MLE slot for a veteran big.

The luxury tax implications would of course be scary, but it's not our money, provided that Ainge thinks he will have enough roster depth to be able to shrug off "hard cap" considerations.


The obvious fit for the S&T part would be a Knicks/Clips/Celts 3-way:

A. Doc realizes he's losing Griffin.
B. Doc uses the salary slot to absorb Melo without giving up much if any salary in return.
C. Phil Jackson does the deal because he really wants to ditch Melo, because Olynyk is a good passer and shooter who could fit well in the triangle, and because he likes the other value the Cs provide him.

As for how the Cs use their cap space: The highest-concept idea is that they trade Brooklyn 18 and other future picks for Jimmy Butler. The roster of 15 (i.e. not including split contracts) might then be:

Horford/Zizic/[vet placeholder]
Griffin/Crowder/Yabusele/[minimum salary guy #1]
Butler/(Brown)/Green (re-signed)/Nader
Brown/Smart/(Fultz)/(Green)/[minimum salary guy #2]
Thomas/Fultz/(Smart)/Rozier


I assumed Avery goes out (possibly to a fifth team) instead of Crowder for reasons of money and position fit, but a version with Crowder going out would work fine as well.

[Froob]

Why?

Fultz and Klay would be a pretty good backcourt

The IT Randle one is more random. Replace Randle with anything resembling a young rebounder

I was being facetious, but that IT trade is just terrible.

lol yea amittedly the IT trade proposal was rushed, but you get my point lol. I am actually interested to see what the W's would say about the Bradley/BKN 18 trade. What do C fans think of it?

No idea why they would do that, great deal for us though.

[threrf23]

Vucevic could be a nice fit. Good rebounder and shot blocker. He can shoot.

Orlando is going to rebuild. With their 6th pick, they could get Isaac. With Gordon, Isaac and Biyombo, they don't need Vucevic anymore

I was just thinking about this. Vucevic also speaks Ante's language (I think) and has Adriatic league experience. His contract for next season is almost identical to KO's cap hold, Frank Vogel likes big men who can shoot the rock (evidenced by the leaked chalkboard), and we had been rumored to have interest in Vucevic at the deadline. It kind of adds up to make sense.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Vuc is young enough he can still improve his shot and defense, showing signs. Will be a different player at 29 or 30. Big issue for us is that he's kind of a black hole, won't pass or rotate like Olynyk. Could learn - IT improved beyond his tunnel vision with spacing and responsibility. But that, to me, is the biggest issue.

Actually getting a max guy & then Crowder or an Olynyk sign and trade for Vucevic could be great. Could we do a Milsapp/Horford/Vuc rotation, or maybe trade Jae or Bradley w/ KO to get back Gordon, Hezonja or the 6?

[cedric76]

Vuc is young enough he can still improve his shot and defense, showing signs. Will be a different player at 29 or 30. Big issue for us is that he's kind of a black hole, won't pass or rotate like Olynyk. Could learn - IT improved beyond his tunnel vision with spacing and responsibility. But that, to me, is the biggest issue.

Actually getting a max guy & then Crowder or an Olynyk sign and trade for Vucevic could be great. Could we do a Milsapp/Horford/Vuc rotation, or maybe trade Jae or Bradley w/ KO to get back Gordon, Hezonja or the 6?

Vuc s défense is very underrated, vogel has praised him a lot this season

Not sure why you call him a black hole, vuc is a very good passer.

He can also shoot the 3 ball but only got green light from coaching staff at end of season

I really hope we don't trade him but I think he d be perfect for you guys.

I think jae would be great for the magic too

I could really see a jae + something for vuc trade

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[bucknersrevenge]

Avery Bradley & BKN 18 for Klay Thompson & 2020 unprotected 1st

Isaiah Thomas & Crowder for Julius Randle

Fultz
Klay
Brown
Randle
Horford

You should be banned for this.

Why?

Fultz and Klay would be a pretty good backcourt

The IT Randle one is more random. Replace Randle with anything resembling a young rebounder

The Klay idea is pretty good. Pretty even trade actually though I can't imagine why GSW would do it. But I lie where your head's at. Can't see why Magic does that deal for Randle though. Think IT would have to goo a team like Sac, Dallas, or NOLA.

[bucknersrevenge]

Vuc is young enough he can still improve his shot and defense, showing signs. Will be a different player at 29 or 30. Big issue for us is that he's kind of a black hole, won't pass or rotate like Olynyk. Could learn - IT improved beyond his tunnel vision with spacing and responsibility. But that, to me, is the biggest issue.

Actually getting a max guy & then Crowder or an Olynyk sign and trade for Vucevic could be great. Could we do a Milsapp/Horford/Vuc rotation, or maybe trade Jae or Bradley w/ KO to get back Gordon, Hezonja or the 6?

Vuc s défense is very underrated, vogel has praised him a lot this season

Not sure why you call him a black hole, vuc is a very good passer.

He can also shoot the 3 ball but only got green light from coaching staff at end of season

I really hope we don't trade him but I think he d be perfect for you guys.

I think jae would be great for the magic too

I could really see a jae + something for vuc trade

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I've been on the Vucevic train since mid-season. I'd be fine with him. And agree about his passing. Not sure where the black hole thing comes from either. One of the better assist rates for a Center in the game behind Horford and Gasol. Would absolutely help with the rebounding issue. And by many accounts, this year was at least an average defender.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Vuc is young enough he can still improve his shot and defense, showing signs. Will be a different player at 29 or 30. Big issue for us is that he's kind of a black hole, won't pass or rotate like Olynyk. Could learn - IT improved beyond his tunnel vision with spacing and responsibility. But that, to me, is the biggest issue.

Actually getting a max guy & then Crowder or an Olynyk sign and trade for Vucevic could be great. Could we do a Milsapp/Horford/Vuc rotation, or maybe trade Jae or Bradley w/ KO to get back Gordon, Hezonja or the 6?

Vuc s défense is very underrated, vogel has praised him a lot this season

Not sure why you call him a black hole, vuc is a very good passer.

He can also shoot the 3 ball but only got green light from coaching staff at end of season

I really hope we don't trade him but I think he d be perfect for you guys.

I think jae would be great for the magic too

I could really see a jae + something for vuc trade

Sent from my SM-A310F using RealGM mobile app

I think his defense is improving, and he made an effort under Vogel, which is great. But he's still struggling to reach competence, net positive impact. He's not Marc Gasol. Interesting about the 3 point shot.

Is he a good passer? I'd have to look back at clips and advanced stats - my impression is that even if he can pass, he's a little like Al Jefferson was, ball tends to stick with him. Not great awareness. He's not Blake Griffin in that way, or even Al Horford.

Rebounding a little over-hyped, too - he gets raw numbers, caroms in his vicinity, which is great. But that's it - doesn't get much out of his reach, like DJ or Drummond.

Love him as a player, if he's right for Boston. But if he were as great as you're saying, trading him for Jae Crowder would be foolish.

Definitely better, and trending better, than Greg Monroe.

[Stadium5]

You should be banned for this.

Why?

Fultz and Klay would be a pretty good backcourt

The IT Randle one is more random. Replace Randle with anything resembling a young rebounder

The Klay idea is pretty good. Pretty even trade actually though I can't imagine why GSW would do it. But I lie where your head's at. Can't see why Magic does that deal for Randle though. Think IT would have to goo a team like Sac, Dallas, or NOLA.

Im thinking with the GSW contract situation coming up, someone has to go. Klay seems to be the odd man out with the Durant addition, and Bradley could give them the defense so its less of a drop off, and he has ok offense with one more year of cheap salary. After next year they can decide about Bradley but with the BKN 18 pick potentially being top 5, it gives GSW a chance at high talent at a cheap rate for a few years..Kind of evens the deal for Klay. Klay I think could thrive on his own team as a top 2 option, and his offense would be instantly impactful for a team like us

[bucknersrevenge]

Why?

Fultz and Klay would be a pretty good backcourt

The IT Randle one is more random. Replace Randle with anything resembling a young rebounder

The Klay idea is pretty good. Pretty even trade actually though I can't imagine why GSW would do it. But I lie where your head's at. Can't see why Magic does that deal for Randle though. Think IT would have to goo a team like Sac, Dallas, or NOLA.

Im thinking with the GSW contract situation coming up, someone has to go. Klay seems to be the odd man out with the Durant addition, and Bradley could give them the defense so its less of a drop off, and he has ok offense with one more year of cheap salary. After next year they can decide about Bradley but with the BKN 18 pick potentially being top 5, it gives GSW a chance at high talent at a cheap rate for a few years..Kind of evens the deal for Klay. Klay I think could thrive on his own team as a top 2 option, and his offense would be instantly impactful for a team like us

With the right filler, you can add right on to that couldn't you? Add a Hayward, or a Griffin??
How does this look?

Fultz, Klay, Jaylen, Griffin, Horford....

Uhhh...yes please!

[Stadium5]

The Klay idea is pretty good. Pretty even trade actually though I can't imagine why GSW would do it. But I lie where your head's at. Can't see why Magic does that deal for Randle though. Think IT would have to goo a team like Sac, Dallas, or NOLA.

Im thinking with the GSW contract situation coming up, someone has to go. Klay seems to be the odd man out with the Durant addition, and Bradley could give them the defense so its less of a drop off, and he has ok offense with one more year of cheap salary. After next year they can decide about Bradley but with the BKN 18 pick potentially being top 5, it gives GSW a chance at high talent at a cheap rate for a few years..Kind of evens the deal for Klay. Klay I think could thrive on his own team as a top 2 option, and his offense would be instantly impactful for a team like us

With the right filler, you can add right on to that couldn't you? Add a Hayward, or a Griffin??
How does this look?

Fultz, Klay, Jaylen, Griffin, Horford....

Uhhh...yes please!

Dudeeeee thats what Im sayin! lol

You find the right trading parter for Isaiah and complete replace the backcourt with Fultz/Klay and the future and present looks VERY promising

[cedric76]

Vuc is young enough he can still improve his shot and defense, showing signs. Will be a different player at 29 or 30. Big issue for us is that he's kind of a black hole, won't pass or rotate like Olynyk. Could learn - IT improved beyond his tunnel vision with spacing and responsibility. But that, to me, is the biggest issue.

Actually getting a max guy & then Crowder or an Olynyk sign and trade for Vucevic could be great. Could we do a Milsapp/Horford/Vuc rotation, or maybe trade Jae or Bradley w/ KO to get back Gordon, Hezonja or the 6?

Vuc s défense is very underrated, vogel has praised him a lot this season

Not sure why you call him a black hole, vuc is a very good passer.

He can also shoot the 3 ball but only got green light from coaching staff at end of season

I really hope we don't trade him but I think he d be perfect for you guys.

I think jae would be great for the magic too

I could really see a jae + something for vuc trade

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I think his defense is improving, and he made an effort under Vogel, which is great. But he's still struggling to reach competence, net positive impact. He's not Marc Gasol. Interesting about the 3 point shot.

Is he a good passer? I'd have to look back at clips and advanced stats - my impression is that even if he can pass, he's a little like Al Jefferson was, ball tends to stick with him. Not great awareness. He's not Blake Griffin in that way, or even Al Horford.

Rebounding a little over-hyped, too - he gets raw numbers, caroms in his vicinity, which is great. But that's it - doesn't get much out of his reach, like DJ or Drummond.

Love him as a player, if he's right for Boston. But if he were as great as you're saying, trading him for Jae Crowder would be foolish.

Definitely better, and trending better, than Greg Monroe.

Yes it would be foolish, this is why I don't want Orlando to trade him, but we need a sf badly and I think Orlando will try to move one of our big for a sf

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[Banks2Pierce]

I don't even think Klay is better than Hayward. Wouldn't be interested in giving up a BKN pick for him unless other things fell into place.

[bucknersrevenge]

Im thinking with the GSW contract situation coming up, someone has to go. Klay seems to be the odd man out with the Durant addition, and Bradley could give them the defense so its less of a drop off, and he has ok offense with one more year of cheap salary. After next year they can decide about Bradley but with the BKN 18 pick potentially being top 5, it gives GSW a chance at high talent at a cheap rate for a few years..Kind of evens the deal for Klay. Klay I think could thrive on his own team as a top 2 option, and his offense would be instantly impactful for a team like us

With the right filler, you can add right on to that couldn't you? Add a Hayward, or a Griffin??
How does this look?

Fultz, Klay, Jaylen, Griffin, Horford....

Uhhh...yes please!

Dudeeeee thats what Im sayin! lol

You find the right trading parter for Isaiah and complete replace the backcourt with Fultz/Klay and the future and present looks VERY promising

[bucknersrevenge]

I don't even think Klay is better than Hayward. Wouldn't be interested in giving up a BKN pick for him unless other things fell into place.

Careful.

The Klay you're seeing is fitting into the framework of a team with Hall of Fame talent. On a different team you might see an expansion of skill that may not be as obvious on his current team. Plus, GREAT shooting and a guy that moves well without the ball fits on ANY team.

[London2Boston]

Klay is comfortably better than Hayward. Dude will go down as 2nd greatest shooter of all time. Plays solid D too.