Anthony Davis requests trade, part 3

[ThirtyFour]

What if Smart somehow some way has another notch of intensity.

He just needs that mind stone. Then he’ll cut the league in half.

How’d you get that image of Tom Brady putting on his 6th superbowl ring?

Haha.

Robert Kraft is probably forging Brady’s glove as we speak.

[GrandTheftRondo]

I haven't been following these threads very closely so my apologies if this has been discussed. I don't think that we should simply dismiss the comments of AD's father.

What DA did to Thomas was some scumbag level ****. I know it makes "business sense" but I also know that a fifth of CEO's are sociopaths, straight up mentally ill people with a serious lack of empathy: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/on-small-business/wp/2016/09/16/gene-marks-21-percent-of-ceos-are-psychopaths-only-21-percent/?utm_term=.dbd16a3be132

I hope this development causes DA to moderate his conduct a bit. He's got the team in a good position with assets but there are serious questions about culture. We only see the on court final product. We don't see what's going on behind the scenes. Anyone whose worked for any big organization can tell you that institutional culture is set from the top down in important ways. What kind of messages is DA sending when with his heartless trades? What does that tell players about their "value" to the organization?

I don't blame AD for not wanting to play for a team managed by Ainge. I'm not saying that DA is a "bad GM." I'm just staying AD's concern is legit and deserves serious attention.

I’m fine with criticism of Danny if we don’t end up with Davis and it turns out that the IT thing was a reason why.

At this stage to me it just seems like a typical parent of an athlete who can’t help but open their big mouth.

[Taget]

All I need now is for Rich Paul to have someone say something to the effect of “I dont want AD to go to Boston cuz its racist” and I’ll hit Bingo

That’s how I believe AD’s dad feels too. He’s talking about loyalty when his son’s demanding a trade. Doesn’t make sense. If I was Shelbourne, my follow up would’ve been “would you have wanted him to play there before the IT trade?” And, not to put words in his mouth, but I bet it would be something like “No, that team wasn’t talented enough.”

If the reports of KCP not being included in the trade package, it’s so obvious that he’s just trying to stack all of his players on the same team. That is 100% a conflict of interest and the NBA should launch an investigation. They won’t launch one until LeBron is tired and the headlines settle down and then unveil the corruption 10 years after the fact, because all of this stuff is good for ratings and they’re scared to go after LeBron or anyone in his circle.

On the note of racism, it happens everywhere, but Boston gets a bad rep and I can see why. I’m not from Boston, but I’ve met some folks from there and while most are terrific people, I’ve met some that have floated some racist **** by me that I was quick to shut down. Just a reminder, if ya’ll see someone at a game spouting some racist remarks or just crossing the line with taunting players in general, let them know to cut that **** out. Boston is under the microscope.

Let's not give his poor dad too much grief. He probably posted whatever Rich Paul wrote.

As for racism. Living in the New York City borough of Staten Island I can tell you there is absolutely no racism here.

[truth18]

I haven't been following these threads very closely so my apologies if this has been discussed. I don't think that we should simply dismiss the comments of AD's father.

What DA did to Thomas was some scumbag level ****. I know it makes "business sense" but I also know that a fifth of CEO's are sociopaths, straight up mentally ill people with a serious lack of empathy: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/on-small-business/wp/2016/09/16/gene-marks-21-percent-of-ceos-are-psychopaths-only-21-percent/?utm_term=.dbd16a3be132

I hope this development causes DA to moderate his conduct a bit. He's got the team in a good position with assets but there are serious questions about culture. We only see the on court final product. We don't see what's going on behind the scenes. Anyone whose worked for any big organization can tell you that institutional culture is set from the top down in important ways. What kind of messages is DA sending when with his heartless trades? What does that tell players about their "value" to the organization?

I don't blame AD for not wanting to play for a team managed by Ainge. I'm not saying that DA is a "bad GM." I'm just staying AD's concern is legit and deserves serious attention.

It's not legit in any way. Thomas and Danny have reconciled and Lebron booted his short mediocre ass too. Davis is currently showing no loyalty whatsoever to NOLA. Davis and his dad simply want LA and are throwing out bull **** excuses.

Also, Thomas blows.

[KL78192020]

Kyrie and AD want to play together in Boston deep down. Who cares about AD's dad and Lebron?

Pretty sure AD cares more about his dad than Kyrie.

[Jaqua92]

Read on Twitter

But while Irving said all the right things before this season began, things haven't gone according to plan during it, as virtually everyone involved with the Celtics has been some combination of disappointed and frustrated by how this season has played out so far. That has been especially true with regard to Irving, multiple sources said, due to a variety of factors.

Irving is undoubtedly playing the best basketball of his career -- but it hasn't translated to wins. The Celtics are, in theory, more talented than the team that reached Game 7 of the Eastern Conference finals without Irving and Gordon Hayward last season. But Boston is in fourth place in the East, getting there only after Friday's win thanks in part to the Indiana Pacers plummeting after losing Victor Oladipo for the season because of a torn quad tendon.

Irving's frustrations have spilled over to other members of the team. He has repeatedly aired his grievances with Boston's young players -- Jayson Tatum, Jaylen Brown and Terry Rozier -- through the media, including after a loss in Orlando last month. It was after that same loss that Irving confronted coach Brad Stevens in the huddle for not calling the potential game-deciding shot for him, and Hayward on the court afterward for passing the ball to Tatum instead of him.

The young players have, in turn, been frustrated with Irving. Hayward, meanwhile, was supposed to be Irving's co-star when he signed with the Celtics in 2017. Instead, his Boston tenure began with the devastating broken leg and ankle he suffered in last season's opening game, and he has spent this season trying to get back to the player he was before, leading to frustration being directed at him (as unfair as it might be) from all sides. The result has been Irving often having to try to carry the Celtics to wins on his own against Boston's toughest opponents.”

"At the end of the day, like I said, I've spent the last eight years trying to do what everybody else wanted me to do in terms [of] making my decisions and trying to validate through the media, through other personnel, managers, anybody in this business," Irving said.

"I don't owe anybody s---."

The idea of Durant and Irving playing together in New York had been whispered about previously. But now that the Knicks have cleared a path to signing both of them outright, it has quickly exploded into full-on speculation. It has been thought for months that Durant's most logical destination, should he choose to leave Golden State, would be to come East and join the Knicks. Several rival teams this week said that is their full expectation -- and that was before the Knicks, clearly feeling confident about their chances, used Porzingis to push all their chips to the center of the table.

None of this, of course, has any impact on Golden State's thinking, sources said. Even if Durant went to team brass and said there was no chance he was coming back this summer -- and, to be clear, that hasn't happened -- it's not as if the Warriors would consider the possibility of trading him. Their plan, as it has been all season, is to go win a third straight title this spring, see what happens this summer and then act accordingly.

Boston's belief has been that, despite Irving's frustrations and the protestations of Davis' camp that he would only consider Boston as a rental, if the Celtics can land Davis in a trade in June, both he and Irving will happily be in Celtics uniforms for a long time to come, and Boston will have a chance to create a new NBA dynasty.

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[OBisHalJordan]

I haven't been following these threads very closely so my apologies if this has been discussed. I don't think that we should simply dismiss the comments of AD's father.

What DA did to Thomas was some scumbag level ****. I know it makes "business sense" but I also know that a fifth of CEO's are sociopaths, straight up mentally ill people with a serious lack of empathy: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/on-small-business/wp/2016/09/16/gene-marks-21-percent-of-ceos-are-psychopaths-only-21-percent/?utm_term=.dbd16a3be132

I hope this development causes DA to moderate his conduct a bit. He's got the team in a good position with assets but there are serious questions about culture. We only see the on court final product. We don't see what's going on behind the scenes. Anyone whose worked for any big organization can tell you that institutional culture is set from the top down in important ways. What kind of messages is DA sending when with his heartless trades? What does that tell players about their "value" to the organization?

I don't blame AD for not wanting to play for a team managed by Ainge. I'm not saying that DA is a "bad GM." I'm just staying AD's concern is legit and deserves serious attention.

It's not legit in any way. Thomas and Danny have reconciled and Lebron booted his short mediocre ass too. Davis is currently showing no loyalty whatsoever to NOLA. Davis and his dad simply want LA and are throwing out bull **** excuses.

Also, Thomas blows.

Also, Thomas is a person and DA dumped like a broken down old car. That sent a strong message across the league. Even if Davis and his dad are using it opportunistically, DA's sociopath style made it this narrative a viable opportunity. Smug defenses of DA won't change that.

[snowman]

If reports are true in what the lakers are offering (2 of their young guys, 2 vets, and 1 FRP) then all we need to offer Brown, Hayward Yabu and 3 of the 4 picks and we top that easily, regardless of which 2 young guys are offered. With that offer we would even take back Hill's bad contract and say "have a nice day".

[The Corey's]

So to be clear, we as celtics fans are taking the position that both his father and agent haven't discussed with Davis his lack of desire to be in Boston and that both those guys are steering him towards the lakers without his approval and input?

That we shouldn't take the word or people who are obviously his mouth piece when he isnt allowee to say anything cause hell get fined?

Theres a huge difference between not wanting to come here and preferring the lakers.

Its kind of upsetting to see so many of you actually to be that niave to not believe that Davis is the architect of the media blitz about his own desires while he sits idly by not denying them. Come on guys, you're better than that.

And were gonn sell our entire asset collection for that guy? Pass.

[FlatearthZorro]

If reports are true in what the lakers are offering (2 of their young guys, 2 vets, and 1 FRP) then all we need to offer Brown, Hayward Yabu and 3 of the 4 picks and we top that easily, regardless of which 2 young guys are offered. With that offer we would even take back Hill's bad contract and say "have a nice day".

You can even throw in Williams or Terry. The thing is you gonna have to use Horfie's salary for sure as they aren't going to take Hayward's current version- salary in such a deal.

[truth18]

I haven't been following these threads very closely so my apologies if this has been discussed. I don't think that we should simply dismiss the comments of AD's father.

What DA did to Thomas was some scumbag level ****. I know it makes "business sense" but I also know that a fifth of CEO's are sociopaths, straight up mentally ill people with a serious lack of empathy: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/on-small-business/wp/2016/09/16/gene-marks-21-percent-of-ceos-are-psychopaths-only-21-percent/?utm_term=.dbd16a3be132

I hope this development causes DA to moderate his conduct a bit. He's got the team in a good position with assets but there are serious questions about culture. We only see the on court final product. We don't see what's going on behind the scenes. Anyone whose worked for any big organization can tell you that institutional culture is set from the top down in important ways. What kind of messages is DA sending when with his heartless trades? What does that tell players about their "value" to the organization?

I don't blame AD for not wanting to play for a team managed by Ainge. I'm not saying that DA is a "bad GM." I'm just staying AD's concern is legit and deserves serious attention.

It's not legit in any way. Thomas and Danny have reconciled and Lebron booted his short mediocre ass too. Davis is currently showing no loyalty whatsoever to NOLA. Davis and his dad simply want LA and are throwing out bull **** excuses.

Also, Thomas blows.

Also, Thomas is a person and DA dumped like a broken down old car. That sent a strong message across the league. Even if Davis and his dad are using it opportunistically, DA's sociopath style made it this narrative a viable opportunity. Smug defenses of DA won't change that.

You know better than this but whatever you want to believe.

[truth18]

So to be clear, we as celtics fans are taking the position that both his father and agent haven't discussed with Davis his lack of desire to be in Boston and that both those guys are steering him towards the lakers without his approval and input?

That we shouldn't take the word or people who are obviously his mouth piece when he isnt allowee to say anything cause hell get fined?

Theres a huge difference between not wanting to come here and preferring the lakers.

Its kind of upsetting to see so many of you actually to be that niave to not believe that Davis is the architect of the media blitz about his own desires while he sits idly by not denying them. Come on guys, you're better than that.

And were gonn sell our entire asset collection for that guy? Pass.

I'm not upset by it. It's their opinion, but I have been clear that I believe this is Davis telling Klutch he only wants LA and Klutch pulling their **** nonsense in the media. Klutch and his dad are saying this stuff on his behalf.

I still sell the house for him though. I think he would stay here once he gets here. Perhaps I'm being an idiot but I roll the dice in most things im life, **** it.

[Scarletfire81]

I haven't been following these threads very closely so my apologies if this has been discussed. I don't think that we should simply dismiss the comments of AD's father.

What DA did to Thomas was some scumbag level ****. I know it makes "business sense" but I also know that a fifth of CEO's are sociopaths, straight up mentally ill people with a serious lack of empathy: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/on-small-business/wp/2016/09/16/gene-marks-21-percent-of-ceos-are-psychopaths-only-21-percent/?utm_term=.dbd16a3be132

I hope this development causes DA to moderate his conduct a bit. He's got the team in a good position with assets but there are serious questions about culture. We only see the on court final product. We don't see what's going on behind the scenes. Anyone whose worked for any big organization can tell you that institutional culture is set from the top down in important ways. What kind of messages is DA sending when with his heartless trades? What does that tell players about their "value" to the organization?

I don't blame AD for not wanting to play for a team managed by Ainge. I'm not saying that DA is a "bad GM." I'm just staying AD's concern is legit and deserves serious attention.

It's not legit in any way. Thomas and Danny have reconciled and Lebron booted his short mediocre ass too. Davis is currently showing no loyalty whatsoever to NOLA. Davis and his dad simply want LA and are throwing out bull **** excuses.

Also, Thomas blows.

Also, Thomas is a person and DA dumped like a broken down old car. That sent a strong message across the league. Even if Davis and his dad are using it opportunistically, DA's sociopath style made it this narrative a viable opportunity. Smug defenses of DA won't change that.

How it is considering dumping when he traded for Kyrie? Ainge wouldn't be doing his job if he turned that down. Also IT went to one of the best teams in the NBA. I can see if he went to bottom dweller for like a second round pick. Ainge's job is to make our team better.

[Homerclease]

I haven't been following these threads very closely so my apologies if this has been discussed. I don't think that we should simply dismiss the comments of AD's father.

What DA did to Thomas was some scumbag level ****. I know it makes "business sense" but I also know that a fifth of CEO's are sociopaths, straight up mentally ill people with a serious lack of empathy: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/on-small-business/wp/2016/09/16/gene-marks-21-percent-of-ceos-are-psychopaths-only-21-percent/?utm_term=.dbd16a3be132

I hope this development causes DA to moderate his conduct a bit. He's got the team in a good position with assets but there are serious questions about culture. We only see the on court final product. We don't see what's going on behind the scenes. Anyone whose worked for any big organization can tell you that institutional culture is set from the top down in important ways. What kind of messages is DA sending when with his heartless trades? What does that tell players about their "value" to the organization?

I don't blame AD for not wanting to play for a team managed by Ainge. I'm not saying that DA is a "bad GM." I'm just staying AD's concern is legit and deserves serious attention.

It's not legit in any way. Thomas and Danny have reconciled and Lebron booted his short mediocre ass too. Davis is currently showing no loyalty whatsoever to NOLA. Davis and his dad simply want LA and are throwing out bull **** excuses.

Also, Thomas blows.

Who would you rather have off the bench next year, IT or Rozier?

[The Corey's]

So to be clear, we as celtics fans are taking the position that both his father and agent haven't discussed with Davis his lack of desire to be in Boston and that both those guys are steering him towards the lakers without his approval and input?

That we shouldn't take the word or people who are obviously his mouth piece when he isnt allowee to say anything cause hell get fined?

Theres a huge difference between not wanting to come here and preferring the lakers.

Its kind of upsetting to see so many of you actually to be that niave to not believe that Davis is the architect of the media blitz about his own desires while he sits idly by not denying them. Come on guys, you're better than that.

And were gonn sell our entire asset collection for that guy? Pass.

I'm not upset by it. It's their opinion, but I have been clear that I believe this is Davis telling Klutch he only wants LA and Klutch pulling their **** nonsense in the media. Klutch and his dad are saying this stuff on his behalf.

I still sell the house for him though. I think he would stay here once he gets here. Perhaps I'm being an idiot but I roll the dice in most things im life, **** it.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but if were (not you) arguing semantics over if Davis him self actually said he didnt want to be in Boston then were wasting time. If he isnt responsible for those comments and didnt co sign them, then that's a whole other thing to worry about. Particularly a 25 year old man who cant keep his hanger ons quiet while hes trying to figure out his next step.

I wouldn't sell the farm because it's not worth it, do I think Danny would? Yes, I know he would. Davis will be a Boston Celtic in 2019 if that's what Danny wants. Undeniable fact.

But if the people around Danny are thinking the way I am then I think he can be talked out of it.

[Triple7]

Forgive me if this has been mentioned. So, Davis Sr. thinks the Celtics have no loyalty because they traded a broken player for a better player, yet Davis has basically put NO up against the wall by publically demanding a trade. Isn't that the exact definition of disloyalty? He's basically quitting on his team and depending on how big Demps' stones are will determine the return. I'm not even sure I want this guy. However, I am sure I could be swayed. The entitled and the hypocrisy are amazing.

AD Sr is dumb. Any team trading for his son is just as disloyal as to what he claims the celtics are. If we did manage to get AD, how is that gonna work for him

[hickfromfrenchlick]

So to be clear, we as celtics fans are taking the position that both his father and agent haven't discussed with Davis his lack of desire to be in Boston and that both those guys are steering him towards the lakers without his approval and input?

That we shouldn't take the word or people who are obviously his mouth piece when he isnt allowee to say anything cause hell get fined?

Theres a huge difference between not wanting to come here and preferring the lakers.

Its kind of upsetting to see so many of you actually to be that niave to not believe that Davis is the architect of the media blitz about his own desires while he sits idly by not denying them. Come on guys, you're better than that.

And were gonn sell our entire asset collection for that guy? Pass.

You don't seem to recognize that if AD prefers LA, the only/best way to get to LA this week is to spread the word that he won't go anywhere else, hoping that Demps is foolish enough to swallow that propaganda and panic.

It appears that Demps is smart enough not to--and to realize that Ainge isn't buying it either.

[Valid]

I haven't been following these threads very closely so my apologies if this has been discussed. I don't think that we should simply dismiss the comments of AD's father.

What DA did to Thomas was some scumbag level ****. I know it makes "business sense" but I also know that a fifth of CEO's are sociopaths, straight up mentally ill people with a serious lack of empathy: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/on-small-business/wp/2016/09/16/gene-marks-21-percent-of-ceos-are-psychopaths-only-21-percent/?utm_term=.dbd16a3be132

I hope this development causes DA to moderate his conduct a bit. He's got the team in a good position with assets but there are serious questions about culture. We only see the on court final product. We don't see what's going on behind the scenes. Anyone whose worked for any big organization can tell you that institutional culture is set from the top down in important ways. What kind of messages is DA sending when with his heartless trades? What does that tell players about their "value" to the organization?

I don't blame AD for not wanting to play for a team managed by Ainge. I'm not saying that DA is a "bad GM." I'm just staying AD's concern is legit and deserves serious attention.

It's not legit in any way. Thomas and Danny have reconciled and Lebron booted his short mediocre ass too. Davis is currently showing no loyalty whatsoever to NOLA. Davis and his dad simply want LA and are throwing out bull **** excuses.

Also, Thomas blows.

Also, Thomas is a person and DA dumped like a broken down old car. That sent a strong message across the league. Even if Davis and his dad are using it opportunistically, DA's sociopath style made it this narrative a viable opportunity. Smug defenses of DA won't change that.

You mean he is a cold, calculated businessman just like every other front-office executive in professional sports?

[Valid]

Kyrie and AD want to play together in Boston deep down. Who cares about AD's dad and Lebron?

Pretty sure AD cares more about his dad than Kyrie.

I doubt AD is going to give a crap about how his dad feels about Boston. It's his decision and his career; not his father's. If AD likes the idea of Boston, he'll come here.

[Triple7]

Why would we trade for someone who doesn’t want to be here? I know a lot of posters here would say, we could convince him to stay, and that winning cures everything. but unless we get a verbal reponse from him that he would at least consider us, i think its best we shift our focus on somebody else. For all we know, he could just help NO get every possible assets from us, and leave us high and dry after a year. Well you guys could also be right, and we might convince him to stay, but for me i think its not worth the drama for the whole year. Look at toronto with kawhi.