Around the NBA (4.0) *Non-Celtics Talk*

[Iguodaladon]

DeRozen might be gone, but there's still 1 Choke Brother left in Toronto. Lowry with 0 points in game 1

[Shak_Celts]

I am **** sick and tired of hearing about how the 76ers have the best starting lineup in the NBA and that they have 4 top 30 players. If either of those statements were true, they wouldve rolled the Nets with or without a healthy Embiid.

way too early to be gloating.

[BRUNiNHO91]

DeRozen might be gone, but there's still 1 Choke Brother left in Toronto. Lowry with 0 points in game 1

DD with a nice 18/12/6 stat line yesterday in a win. Lowry was always lead choke brother imo.

[Iguodaladon]

DeRozen might be gone, but there's still 1 Choke Brother left in Toronto. Lowry with 0 points in game 1

DD with a nice 18/12/6 stat line yesterday in a win. Lowry was always lead choke brother imo.

They both had some real shockers in the playoffs, but maybe Pop has purged DD of his demons

[SmartWentCrazy]

I am **** sick and tired of hearing about how the 76ers have the best starting lineup in the NBA and that they have 4 top 30 players. If either of those statements were true, they wouldve rolled the Nets with or without a healthy Embiid.

way too early to be gloating.

Not gloating, just sick and tired of seeing every nba writer claim their lineup is Warriors-level. Its not. It wasnt before that game and it sure as **** isnt after.

[Feed Your Head]

I am **** sick and tired of hearing about how the 76ers have the best starting lineup in the NBA and that they have 4 top 30 players. If either of those statements were true, they wouldve rolled the Nets with or without a healthy Embiid.

way too early to be gloating.

Not gloating, just sick and tired of seeing every nba writer claim their lineup is Warriors-level. Its not. It wasnt before that game and it sure as **** isnt after.

Too flawed and poor fit. Simmons is a destroyer of offensive flow.

[SmartWentCrazy]

way too early to be gloating.

Not gloating, just sick and tired of seeing every nba writer claim their lineup is Warriors-level. Its not. It wasnt before that game and it sure as **** isnt after.

Too flawed and poor fit. Simmons is a destroyer of offensive flow.

Simmons needs to play in a system like the Bucks. A post big and iso-heavy/reluctant catch-n-shoot wing are just terrible fits.

[Roddy]

Magic should never run another Franchise...EVER !

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[Valid]

way too early to be gloating.

Not gloating, just sick and tired of seeing every nba writer claim their lineup is Warriors-level. Its not. It wasnt before that game and it sure as **** isnt after.

Too flawed and poor fit. Simmons is a destroyer of offensive flow.

I remember last year, some people here seriously thought Simmons was better than Giannis. Good times.

[Feed Your Head]

Not gloating, just sick and tired of seeing every nba writer claim their lineup is Warriors-level. Its not. It wasnt before that game and it sure as **** isnt after.

Too flawed and poor fit. Simmons is a destroyer of offensive flow.

I remember last year, some people here seriously thought Simmons was better than Giannis. Good times.

I'm much lower on Simmons than most, but i just don't see it with him. A good team/coach can basically negate him, and I agree with SWC that the fit isnt good, but i think it's also a Simmons issue.

This isn't a Giannis situation, younger Giannis could occasionally make shots from outside the paint and would take a few a game. Ben isn't even a threat to take one, nevermind make one. It's two full seasons into his career, and he has showed ZERO progress with that. He is a monster in transition and a legitimate awesome defender, but I really don't see a crazy high ceiling.

[sam_I_am]

Simmons is an amazing talent but I can’t see how he was near unanimous choice of all GMs for player they want to build around out of sophomore class. Mitchell is so much better. I would take Tatum for sure. Isaac isn’t there yet but I think I’d rather him than Simmons too. I wouldn’t be shocked if Fox is more highly regarded 5 years from now either.

[ConstableGeneva]

Too flawed and poor fit. Simmons is a destroyer of offensive flow.

I remember last year, some people here seriously thought Simmons was better than Giannis. Good times.

I'm much lower on Simmons than most, but i just don't see it with him. A good team/coach can basically negate him, and I agree with SWC that the fit isnt good, but i think it's also a Simmons issue.

This isn't a Giannis situation, younger Giannis could occasionally make shots from outside the paint and would take a few a game. Ben isn't even a threat to take one, nevermind make one. It's two full seasons into his career, and he has showed ZERO progress with that. He is a monster in transition and a legitimate awesome defender, but I really don't see a crazy high ceiling.

You guys will eat your words when in Year 16, Simmons develops a reliable 18-foot jumper.

[jmr07019]

To be fair to Ben.... he’s just a rookie.

[Shak_Celts]

I am **** sick and tired of hearing about how the 76ers have the best starting lineup in the NBA and that they have 4 top 30 players. If either of those statements were true, they wouldve rolled the Nets with or without a healthy Embiid.

way too early to be gloating.

Not gloating, just sick and tired of seeing every nba writer claim their lineup is Warriors-level. Its not. It wasnt before that game and it sure as **** isnt after.

Ehh, media gon media, gotta ignore them. I feel you on it but not about what one game tells you.

[thelarrybirdx]

Milwaukee basically getting a first round bye. They’ll be plenty rested when we face them

[DoubleHappiness]

Fiserv is looouuuuddddddd.

[celticfan42487]

Not gloating, just sick and tired of seeing every nba writer claim their lineup is Warriors-level. Its not. It wasnt before that game and it sure as **** isnt after.

Too flawed and poor fit. Simmons is a destroyer of offensive flow.

Simmons needs to play in a system like the Bucks. A post big and iso-heavy/reluctant catch-n-shoot wing are just terrible fits.

Exactly.

That said the 76ers have a ton of talent on their team. They have 3 legit all-star potential starting level players, and one bench worthy all-star player. The statment that they have the most talented starting 5 after the Warriors is legit.

They were just built like the Lakers, without an understanding that low post doesnt matter, playmaking doesn't matter...if you don't have the shooting.

If Simmons and Embiid checked their egos at the door. Embiid would play like Al Horford for the team and exclusively shoot 3s on offense and facilitate others.

Simmons would have the entire offense built around him because he's useless otherwise

And with 2 minutes left to go in a game, or in a must score situation... Simmons would be on the bench because his floor spacing hurts an ISO from a go to bucket guy such as Butler.


If Stevens had Butler on the Celtics team right now, we'd be heading to the Finals, guaranteed. The 76ers roster construction just has two players that are flawed and not modern NBA players in their construction. And a lack of understanding roster wise that in order to do that you MUST only have one, and you have to build your entire team around them to make up for it.

It's not that hard, you can either sit and wait for Embiid to develop a head and take a huge step back, or you can wait for Simmons to develop a 3 point shot. Otherwise, trade one of those **** for a fellow all-star level player that actual fits the rest of the pieces on your roster and watch your fourtunes rise.

And there's a zillion teams that would trade for either of them as they're young and in team control for a long time and they are elite at their positions. Just held back by playing with each other.

I doubt the Blazers would turn down the chance for a Dame for Simmons trade, or McCollum (whichever they believe in least). Because Simmons is one of the best defenders in the NBA, and he will spend all night getting wide open 3s for Dame or McCollum. And either one of those players would compliment Embiid perfectly when he plays teams that stupidly double him, or just get destroyed by Embiid.

[ConstableGeneva]

Milwaukee basically getting a first round bye. They’ll be plenty rested when we face them

They're earned it all season.

[thelarrybirdx]

Milwaukee basically getting a first round bye. They’ll be plenty rested when we face them

They're earned it all season.

I'm not discrediting them whatsoever lol. I'm saying how pathetic the Pistons are.

[bucknersrevenge]

Not gloating, just sick and tired of seeing every nba writer claim their lineup is Warriors-level. Its not. It wasnt before that game and it sure as **** isnt after.

Too flawed and poor fit. Simmons is a destroyer of offensive flow.

Simmons needs to play in a system like the Bucks. A post big and iso-heavy/reluctant catch-n-shoot wing are just terrible fits.

Actually I don't like the Bucks system for him because he doesn't have the instincts to run it. The Golden State system makes more sense with him fitting the Draymond role. He should not be a primary distributor but running PnR with him and giving him the opportunity to make quick decisions within 15 ft of the rim would make him more effective and more dangerous.