Coronavirus/COVID-19, Thread 2

[zoyathedestroya]

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[Parliament10]

Has anyone heard anything else on Gov. Andrew Cuomo's efforts on splitting Ventilators between 2-4 people?

[SuperDeluxe]

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I expected to see the interview but all I got was a recap of what I already knew. The media, in their neverending effort to get clicks, have made a mockery of their mission to inform. Headlines are clickbait, they don't need describe what's inside with any level of accuracy anymore.

(That being said, thanks Zoya for posting this.)

[Slax]

Has anyone heard anything else on Gov. Andrew Cuomo's efforts on splitting Ventilators between 2-4 people?

They've started doing it in a few hospitals, most prominently SUNY Downstate. My understanding is that it works, but it's significantly less safe and more difficult, so they're primarily trying to buy time while they build up ventilator capacity.

[zoyathedestroya]

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I expected to see the interview but all I got was a recap of what I already knew. The media, in their neverending effort to get clicks, have made a mockery of their mission to inform. Headlines are clickbait, they don't need describe what's inside with any level of accuracy anymore.

First time I heard of this. But yeah, I was expecting at least an excerpt of the actual interview.

[Parliament10]

Has anyone heard anything else on Gov. Andrew Cuomo's efforts on splitting Ventilators between 2-4 people?

They've started doing it in a few hospitals, most prominently SUNY Downstate. My understanding is that it works, but it's significantly less safe and more difficult, so they're primarily trying to buy time while they build up ventilator capacity.

Ok. It seems to be a good way to stretch the resources; even though it's dangerous.
Better that, than the alternative.

[Slax]

Has anyone heard anything else on Gov. Andrew Cuomo's efforts on splitting Ventilators between 2-4 people?

They've started doing it in a few hospitals, most prominently SUNY Downstate. My understanding is that it works, but it's significantly less safe and more difficult, so they're primarily trying to buy time while they build up ventilator capacity.

Ok. It seems to be a good way to stretch the resources; even though it's dangerous.
Better that, than the alternative.

Yeah, I'm happy they figured out how to do it. Anything to stretch the capacity of our health care system.

[sprash9802]

Hi folks, it's been a while since I posted here. How's everyone doing? Hopefully, you and yours are keeping safe and healthy. Hopefully, your pantry is filled with food to last you through a week or two, at least. We are holding up here in Acton, MA, and trying to stay safe and sane in the midst of this madness. Working from home for almost three weeks now, and it will be this way till mid May, at the earliest (in my opinion). Been talking to my family back home in India, and they are doing ok. My brother and my sister-in-law both work in different banks, and while my brother deals with foreign accounts, my SIL has to go in because she deals with customers. She has to answer to police on the streets every morning, to explain why she is out and about in the midst of a curfew. Thankfully, they have food, stores are still open for those who need it and the government has started distributing rationed supplies (veggies and rice, mostly) to keep the population going. Most of the cases back in my homestate were from a Muslim conference held recently, for what I don't know!

Being an immigrant here, my work status (and my wife's) is a ticking time bomb. We are saving up for a potential return to India, if we were to lose our jobs. Being an immigrant homeowner is tough during these times, but not half as bad as what some who live paycheck-to-paycheck have to go through. The grass is always greener on the other side, eh?

Hoping and praying for all of you out here that we get out of this quickly enough, and healthy enough, to resume life with a semblance of normalcy. Cheers!

[Captain_Caveman]

Weird time.. either deaths are starting to slow down and distancing is working or the hurricane is going to hit..

They really aren't slowing down yet. It's possible that they will, but the most likely scenario is the US reaching 3,000 deaths a day by the weekend. That may represent the top of the bell curve for this current wave, but remember that it is a flattened curve. In the most likely scenario, we stay above 2,000 deaths a day for another 2.5 weeks or so, and end up with ~80,000 US deaths by mid-May before the virus slows for the summer months. The bigger uncertainty is in projecting the numbers of subsequent waves in the fall through next spring.

Here is one of the most widely cited models that even the WH is using:
https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america

[Green89]

Good info here, however as someone with asthma, even folding a t-shirt once in half makes it difficult to breathe. If I folded it as many times shown here, I'd probably be passing out from lack of oxygen in about 5-10 minutes. I even tried to use one layer of a cotton t-shirt added on top of a simple dust mask and tested it around the house. I felt light headed in about 5 minutes. The only way for me is if I use just one layer of unfolded cotton.

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[Parliament10]

Good info here, however as someone with asthma, even folding a t-shirt once in half makes it difficult to breathe. If I folded it as many times shown here, I'd probably be passing out from lack of oxygen in about 5-10 minutes. I even tried to use one layer of a cotton t-shirt added on top of a simple dust mask and tested it around the house. I felt light headed in about 5 minutes. The only way for me is if I use just one layer of unfolded cotton.

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Ditto. I can't wear more than 1 or (maybe) 2 layers of cloth. I feel real stuffy. Can't breath.
I'm staying around my home for the most part, anyway. And wearing gloves.

[Parliament10]

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[SuperDeluxe]

Good info here, however as someone with asthma, even folding a t-shirt once in half makes it difficult to breathe. If I folded it as many times shown here, I'd probably be passing out from lack of oxygen in about 5-10 minutes. I even tried to use one layer of a cotton t-shirt added on top of a simple dust mask and tested it around the house. I felt light headed in about 5 minutes. The only way for me is if I use just one layer of unfolded cotton.

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Ditto. I can't wear more than 1 or (maybe) 2 layers of cloth. I feel real stuffy. Can't breath.
I'm staying around my home for the most part, anyway. And wearing gloves.

Apologies if what I'm going to say sounds extremely ignorant (asthma-wise and COVID-wise). How about folding it as many times as the video says, then wearing it along with a bendable plastic straw inserted in your mouth and pointed up like a snorkel? You'd be breathing through the straw, not through the cotton.

[Gant]

New Zealand isn’t just flattening the curve. It’s squashing it.

It has been less than two weeks since New Zealand imposed a coronavirus lockdown so strict that swimming at the beach and hunting in bushland were banned. They’re not essential activities, plus we have been told not to do anything that could divert emergency services’ resources.

People have been walking and biking strictly in their neighborhoods, lining up six feet apart outside grocery stores while waiting to go one-in-one-out, and joining swaths of the world in discovering the vagaries of home schooling.

It took only 10 days for signs that the approach here — “elimination” rather than the “containment” goal of the United States and other Western countries — is working.

The nascent slowdown reflected “a triumph of science and leadership,” said Michael Baker, a professor of public health at the University of Otago and one of the country’s top epidemiologists.

“Jacinda approached this decisively and unequivocally and faced the threat,” said Baker, who had been advocating for an “elimination” approach since reading a World Health Organization report from China in February.

“Other countries have had a gradual ramp-up, but our approach is exactly the opposite,” he said. While other Western countries have tried to slow the disease and “flatten the curve,” New Zealand has tried to stamp it out entirely.

Some American doctors have urged the Trump administration to pursue the elimination approach.

In New Zealand’s case, being a small island nation makes it easy to shut borders. It also helps that the country often feels like a village where everyone knows everyone else, so messages can travel quickly.

New Zealand’s next challenge: Once the virus is eliminated, how to keep it that way.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/new-zealand-isnt-just-flattening-the-curve-its-squashing-it/ar-BB12gstI

[threrf23]

Staggering Surge Of NYers Dying In Their Homes Suggests City Is Undercounting Coronavirus Fatalities


https://gothamist.com/news/surge-number-new-yorkers-dying-home-officials-suspect-undercount-covid-19-related-deaths

Last I saw it reported, granted it was a week or two ago, 28% of tests in NYC were coming back positive (whereas in many parts of the country, the number is more like 7%). And according to the latest stats , we are to believe that per capita, the virus is twice as wide spread in the suburbs of NYC, as opposed to in NYC, and that the mortality rate is more than twice as high in NYC than in those suburbs.

In other words, we can arguably gather that at least half of all cases in NYC are undiagnosed. Considering that there are also likely to be undiagnosed cases in the suburbs - it is probable IMO that two thirds of all cases in NYC are undiagnosed. The subway is still running, and if they really can't shut it down, they should at least control access to subway stations and mandate masks. Liquor stores are still open, and if I am not mistaken stores like Home Depot (who at least scrapped it's spring sales) and Lowe's (who recently advertised two days worth of "in store only" promotions) are still open? And many of their employees are likely riding the subway.

It's not good.

[threrf23]

Good info here, however as someone with asthma, even folding a t-shirt once in half makes it difficult to breathe. If I folded it as many times shown here, I'd probably be passing out from lack of oxygen in about 5-10 minutes. I even tried to use one layer of a cotton t-shirt added on top of a simple dust mask and tested it around the house. I felt light headed in about 5 minutes. The only way for me is if I use just one layer of unfolded cotton.

Watch on YouTube

Ditto. I can't wear more than 1 or (maybe) 2 layers of cloth. I feel real stuffy. Can't breath.
I'm staying around my home for the most part, anyway. And wearing gloves.

Apologies if what I'm going to say sounds extremely ignorant (asthma-wise and COVID-wise). How about folding it as many times as the video says, then wearing it along with a bendable plastic straw inserted in your mouth and pointed up like a snorkel? You'd be breathing through the straw, not through the cotton.

I feel like a Halloween mask would be funner, easier, and maybe as effective?

[Green89]

New Zealand isn’t just flattening the curve. It’s squashing it.

It has been less than two weeks since New Zealand imposed a coronavirus lockdown so strict that swimming at the beach and hunting in bushland were banned. They’re not essential activities, plus we have been told not to do anything that could divert emergency services’ resources.

People have been walking and biking strictly in their neighborhoods, lining up six feet apart outside grocery stores while waiting to go one-in-one-out, and joining swaths of the world in discovering the vagaries of home schooling.

It took only 10 days for signs that the approach here — “elimination” rather than the “containment” goal of the United States and other Western countries — is working.

The nascent slowdown reflected “a triumph of science and leadership,” said Michael Baker, a professor of public health at the University of Otago and one of the country’s top epidemiologists.

“Jacinda approached this decisively and unequivocally and faced the threat,” said Baker, who had been advocating for an “elimination” approach since reading a World Health Organization report from China in February.

“Other countries have had a gradual ramp-up, but our approach is exactly the opposite,” he said. While other Western countries have tried to slow the disease and “flatten the curve,” New Zealand has tried to stamp it out entirely.

Some American doctors have urged the Trump administration to pursue the elimination approach.

In New Zealand’s case, being a small island nation makes it easy to shut borders. It also helps that the country often feels like a village where everyone knows everyone else, so messages can travel quickly.

New Zealand’s next challenge: Once the virus is eliminated, how to keep it that way.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/new-zealand-isnt-just-flattening-the-curve-its-squashing-it/ar-BB12gstI

Sadly, we just don't get it here. I went on a grocery run today and saw groups of 5-12 people out walking, playing basketball, a home improvement company doing vinyl siding. Sad that people still don't get it and think they can continue as normal. As far as the vinyl siding, the home owner is just as to blame as the non-essential business owner who continues to work. Is this really an essential project right now, that you have to have a crew sitting in your front yard taking lunch sitting right next to each other? Yes, actually saw that today. No social distancing being practiced here. And this is just one town in America, and I'm sure it's going on everywhere else, too.

This ignorance combined with the warming weather is a bad combination.

[Dave_From_NB]

Sadly, we just don't get it here. I went on a grocery run today and saw groups of 5-12 people out walking, playing basketball, a home improvement company doing vinyl siding. Sad that people still don't get it and think they can continue as normal. As far as the vinyl siding, the home owner is just as to blame as the non-essential business owner who continues to work. Is this really an essential project right now, that you have to have a crew sitting in your front yard taking lunch sitting right next to each other? Yes, actually saw that today. No social distancing being practiced here. And this is just one town in America, and I'm sure it's going on everywhere else, too.

This ignorance combined with the warming weather is a bad combination.

Until your government elements take it seriously, the people won't.

[jeremym480]

New Zealand isn’t just flattening the curve. It’s squashing it.

It has been less than two weeks since New Zealand imposed a coronavirus lockdown so strict that swimming at the beach and hunting in bushland were banned. They’re not essential activities, plus we have been told not to do anything that could divert emergency services’ resources.

People have been walking and biking strictly in their neighborhoods, lining up six feet apart outside grocery stores while waiting to go one-in-one-out, and joining swaths of the world in discovering the vagaries of home schooling.

It took only 10 days for signs that the approach here — “elimination” rather than the “containment” goal of the United States and other Western countries — is working.

The nascent slowdown reflected “a triumph of science and leadership,” said Michael Baker, a professor of public health at the University of Otago and one of the country’s top epidemiologists.

“Jacinda approached this decisively and unequivocally and faced the threat,” said Baker, who had been advocating for an “elimination” approach since reading a World Health Organization report from China in February.

“Other countries have had a gradual ramp-up, but our approach is exactly the opposite,” he said. While other Western countries have tried to slow the disease and “flatten the curve,” New Zealand has tried to stamp it out entirely.

Some American doctors have urged the Trump administration to pursue the elimination approach.

In New Zealand’s case, being a small island nation makes it easy to shut borders. It also helps that the country often feels like a village where everyone knows everyone else, so messages can travel quickly.

New Zealand’s next challenge: Once the virus is eliminated, how to keep it that way.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/new-zealand-isnt-just-flattening-the-curve-its-squashing-it/ar-BB12gstI

[Roddy]

New Zealand isn’t just flattening the curve. It’s squashing it.

It has been less than two weeks since New Zealand imposed a coronavirus lockdown so strict that swimming at the beach and hunting in bushland were banned. They’re not essential activities, plus we have been told not to do anything that could divert emergency services’ resources.

People have been walking and biking strictly in their neighborhoods, lining up six feet apart outside grocery stores while waiting to go one-in-one-out, and joining swaths of the world in discovering the vagaries of home schooling.

It took only 10 days for signs that the approach here — “elimination” rather than the “containment” goal of the United States and other Western countries — is working.

The nascent slowdown reflected “a triumph of science and leadership,” said Michael Baker, a professor of public health at the University of Otago and one of the country’s top epidemiologists.

“Jacinda approached this decisively and unequivocally and faced the threat,” said Baker, who had been advocating for an “elimination” approach since reading a World Health Organization report from China in February.

“Other countries have had a gradual ramp-up, but our approach is exactly the opposite,” he said. While other Western countries have tried to slow the disease and “flatten the curve,” New Zealand has tried to stamp it out entirely.

Some American doctors have urged the Trump administration to pursue the elimination approach.

In New Zealand’s case, being a small island nation makes it easy to shut borders. It also helps that the country often feels like a village where everyone knows everyone else, so messages can travel quickly.

New Zealand’s next challenge: Once the virus is eliminated, how to keep it that way.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/new-zealand-isnt-just-flattening-the-curve-its-squashing-it/ar-BB12gstI

Once again, NZ is the best / most beautiful country in the world.