Hard to Believe Ainge will Make any Move Soon Trade Thread

[MagicBagley18]

If you can get Beal added to brown and Tatum (we can’t) you do it no question. U don’t pass it up bc Tatum and brown looking good together.

That's not the argument though. It's not a matter of declining Beal in lieu of nothing else. If the Beal deal is there, and there's nothing else, of course you take it. It's a question of Beal versus spending the same assets to improve the team in other ways.

Like you, I'm pretty sure it's not even possible to add Beal to Brown and Tatum, but if it was, it would required basically an absolute purge of every single other asset into the foreseeable future. There might be a better strategy, even if that was on the table.

I get that but adding a posey or house type to this team or a veteran combined with internal growth from the j’s still isn’t as impactful as adding a guy who can play both off ball and with the ball, who has great character, gets along and is family with Tatum and also appears friendly with brown. Who also has all nba team potential.

I think beal would fit fine right next to brown and Tatum. I think there would be no jealousy issues or too much ego involved and I think having 3 guys who can go off for 30 any single night and have elite talent is a no brainer. Harden next to those 2 would make more sense for your argument imo.

I’d rather have a beal brown Tatum trio to go up against lebron and AD vs brown and Tatum and depth.

[SMTBSI]

If you can get Beal added to brown and Tatum (we can’t) you do it no question. U don’t pass it up bc Tatum and brown looking good together.

That's not the argument though. It's not a matter of declining Beal in lieu of nothing else. If the Beal deal is there, and there's nothing else, of course you take it. It's a question of Beal versus spending the same assets to improve the team in other ways.

Like you, I'm pretty sure it's not even possible to add Beal to Brown and Tatum, but if it was, it would required basically an absolute purge of every single other asset into the foreseeable future. There might be a better strategy, even if that was on the table.

I get that but adding a posey or house type to this team or a veteran combined with internal growth from the j’s still isn’t as impactful as adding a guy who can play both off ball and with the ball, who has great character, gets along and is family with Tatum and also appears friendly with brown. Who also has all nba team potential.

I think beal would fit fine right next to brown and Tatum. I think there would be no jealousy issues or too much ego involved and I think having 3 guys who can go off for 30 any single night and have elite talent is a no brainer. Harden next to those 2 would make more sense for your argument imo.

I’d rather have a beal brown Tatum trio to go up against lebron and AD vs brown and Tatum and depth.

Might have been aiming too low with the Posey and House examples. Don't forget about Bargain-Bin KG though.

But like I said in a late edit to my last post, this really just boils down to: [3 stars and no depth] vs [2 stars and great depth]. I lean towards the latter.

Anyway, it's all moot, because there's no way we get Beal without Brown.

[MagicBagley18]

That's not the argument though. It's not a matter of declining Beal in lieu of nothing else. If the Beal deal is there, and there's nothing else, of course you take it. It's a question of Beal versus spending the same assets to improve the team in other ways.

Like you, I'm pretty sure it's not even possible to add Beal to Brown and Tatum, but if it was, it would required basically an absolute purge of every single other asset into the foreseeable future. There might be a better strategy, even if that was on the table.

I get that but adding a posey or house type to this team or a veteran combined with internal growth from the j’s still isn’t as impactful as adding a guy who can play both off ball and with the ball, who has great character, gets along and is family with Tatum and also appears friendly with brown. Who also has all nba team potential.

I think beal would fit fine right next to brown and Tatum. I think there would be no jealousy issues or too much ego involved and I think having 3 guys who can go off for 30 any single night and have elite talent is a no brainer. Harden next to those 2 would make more sense for your argument imo.

I’d rather have a beal brown Tatum trio to go up against lebron and AD vs brown and Tatum and depth.

Might have been aiming too low with the Posey and House examples. Don't forget about Bargain-Bin KG though.

But like I said in a late edit to my last post, this really just boils down to: [3 stars and no depth] vs [2 stars and great depth]. I lean towards the latter.

Anyway, it's all moot, because there's no way we get Beal without Brown.

Agreed think it’s a complete pipe dream but who knows maybe a miracle happens kemba comes back looks like his all nba version, pp has a great season combined with multiple picks, smart and leverage by beal and something gets done via a 3rd team I could see beal scoring 35 on like 10 dribbles next to brown and Tatum

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Have we landed Harden & Beal using Kemba, Romeo, Nesmith + a future 2nd top 55 protected yet?

[Homerclease]

Have we landed Harden & Beal using Kemba, Romeo, Nesmith + a future 2nd top 55 protected yet?

Fire Danny

[sunshinekids99]

Couldn't say no any faster. This is god awful.

Poole is trash, Oubre is trash, Adams is a dinosaur. No. Unless Kemba is an absolute shell of himself, hardest pass of all time

27 year old dinosaur? Geez I'm old

His playstyle is out of date

Can't shoot 3s so no longer an option in the league?

[MagicBagley18]

Have we landed Harden & Beal using Kemba, Romeo, Nesmith + a future 2nd top 55 protected yet?

Danny wants to see what we have in Langford before we make a move

[klemen4]

A made this calculation a few pages ago:

We can get Beal in summer 2022 IF Kemba opts out of last year of his contract (what is not realistic) or if we trade him this summer for 2022 expiring contracts.

We could give Beal max contract with Brown/Tatum (58 million) and 4 youngsters on rookie contracts(Prichard, Langford, Nesmith, G.Williams) on roster.

Cap will be set at 116 million

To also keep Timelord which will have 10 million cap hit would be hard, probably 2 of 4 players on rookie contract would have to be gone for Timelord to stay.

30.3 Tatum
27.5 Brown
2.2 Prichard
4.3 G.Williams
3.8 Nesmith
3.6 6xghost spots
10.0 R.Williams cao hit
34.8 Beal Max (30% of 116mill cap)
---------------------------
116.5 million



No Smart off course, him being a FA.

Prichard
Beal/Nesmith
Brown
Tatum/G.Williams
R.Williams

[CelticFaninLBC]

Can't see Ainge moving Kemba during the season, or NO moving Adams, but if there is a deal, I like this one better.

https://www.nbaanalysis.net/2021/01/10/nba-rumors-new-orleans-pelicans-boston-celtics-trade-pairs-kemba-walker-zion-williamson/2/

Kemba for Bledsoe, Reddick and a NO 1st. Am skeptical Boston could get a 1st though.

Depends on his new contract, Lonzo Ball would be interesting.

But anyway, I haven't seen any Kemba trade besides Harden that isn't a severe downgrade. Ainge won't sell low and imo our best bet is just to get Kemba fully healthy, because he can still be an all-nba level killer in a deep playoff run and he fits the system perfectly here.

Agree that Lonzo would be interesting.

I believe Bledsoe's deal isn't guaranteed in 2023, so they could have cap space for Beal. Not sure what his salary would start at? Also Bledsoe is a solid defender, unlike Kemba.. Can still use the TPE to add some offense.

[MagicBagley18]

A made this calculation a few pages ago:

We can get Beal in summer 2022 IF Kemba opts out of last year of his contract (what is not realistic) or if we trade him this summer for 2022 expiring contracts.

We could give Beal max contract with Brown/Tatum (58 million) and 4 youngsters on rookie contracts(Prichard, Langford, Nesmith, G.Williams) on roster.

Cap will be set at 116 million

To also keep Timelord which will have 10 million cap hit would be hard, probably 2 of 4 players on rookie contract would have to be gone for Timelord to stay.

30.3 Tatum
27.5 Brown
2.2 Prichard
4.3 G.Williams
3.8 Nesmith
3.6 6xghost spots
10.0 R.Williams cao hit
34.8 Beal Max (30% of 116mill cap)
---------------------------
116.5 million



No Smart off course, him being a FA.

Prichard
Beal/Nesmith
Brown
Tatum/G.Williams
R.Williams

Good cap work. I appreciate that and creative ways to make it work but Beal is gonna be traded most likely somewhere he stays. Miami being very likely. 22 free agency in all likelihood doesn’t matter

[SmartWentCrazy]

A made this calculation a few pages ago:

We can get Beal in summer 2022 IF Kemba opts out of last year of his contract (what is not realistic) or if we trade him this summer for 2022 expiring contracts.

We could give Beal max contract with Brown/Tatum (58 million) and 4 youngsters on rookie contracts(Prichard, Langford, Nesmith, G.Williams) on roster.

Cap will be set at 116 million

To also keep Timelord which will have 10 million cap hit would be hard, probably 2 of 4 players on rookie contract would have to be gone for Timelord to stay.

30.3 Tatum
27.5 Brown
2.2 Prichard
4.3 G.Williams
3.8 Nesmith
3.6 6xghost spots
10.0 R.Williams cao hit
34.8 Beal Max (30% of 116mill cap)
---------------------------
116.5 million



No Smart off course, him being a FA.

Prichard
Beal/Nesmith
Brown
Tatum/G.Williams
R.Williams

This is the only path to landing Beal, IMO.

[SmartWentCrazy]

A made this calculation a few pages ago:

We can get Beal in summer 2022 IF Kemba opts out of last year of his contract (what is not realistic) or if we trade him this summer for 2022 expiring contracts.

We could give Beal max contract with Brown/Tatum (58 million) and 4 youngsters on rookie contracts(Prichard, Langford, Nesmith, G.Williams) on roster.

Cap will be set at 116 million

To also keep Timelord which will have 10 million cap hit would be hard, probably 2 of 4 players on rookie contract would have to be gone for Timelord to stay.

30.3 Tatum
27.5 Brown
2.2 Prichard
4.3 G.Williams
3.8 Nesmith
3.6 6xghost spots
10.0 R.Williams cao hit
34.8 Beal Max (30% of 116mill cap)
---------------------------
116.5 million



No Smart off course, him being a FA.

Prichard
Beal/Nesmith
Brown
Tatum/G.Williams
R.Williams

Good cap work. I appreciate that and creative ways to make it work but Beal is gonna be traded most likely somewhere he stays. Miami being very likely. 22 free agency in all likelihood doesn’t matter

Its the only way we could add Beal, at least its realistic

[klemen4]

I checked calculation one more time. I made 2 mistakes:
- charge for incomplete roster spot (ghost spots) is 0.9mill not 0.6 mill so that's 5.4 million for 6 spots.
- Timelord cap hold is 11 mill, not 10.

So to keep Timelord one of Nesmith or G.Williams would also need to be gone.

So either we go FA route or offer next trade offer this summer or at 2022 trade deadline:
- Kemba to 3rd team, assets to Was
- Smart
- Langford
- R. Williams

All this players would need to be gone either way OR Timelord instead of Langford+ R.Williams.

[Curmudgeon]

Theis is, in fact, one of the most underrated players in the NBA. The only reason you trade him is that you can't afford to pay him what he is worth. When he becomes a free agent at the end of this year he will be looking at 15-20M offers from other teams.

Maybe I'm wrong but that seems insanely high. Guys like Tristain Thompson, Serge Ibaka, Trez Harrell all signed for the MLE. I can't see Theis getting more than that range.

The difference is, Thompson and Ibaka have already made their money, so were willing to settle for less in the right situation. Harrell wanted to stay in LA.

Davis Bertans just signed for 4 years, 74 million. You don't think Theis is a better player than a one trick pony like Bertains who can't guard a chair? Some team like the Knicks will offer Theis a similar deal. Bookmark this thread and we'll talk in the Summer.

[MagicBagley18]

Theis is, in fact, one of the most underrated players in the NBA. The only reason you trade him is that you can't afford to pay him what he is worth. When he becomes a free agent at the end of this year he will be looking at 15-20M offers from other teams.

Maybe I'm wrong but that seems insanely high. Guys like Tristain Thompson, Serge Ibaka, Trez Harrell all signed for the MLE. I can't see Theis getting more than that range.

The difference is, Thompson and Ibaka have already made their money, so were willing to settle for less in the right situation. Harrell wanted to stay in LA.

Davis Bertans just signed for 4 years, 74 million. You don't think Theis is a better player than a one trick pony like Bertains who can't guard a chair? Some team like the Knicks will offer Theis a similar deal. Bookmark this thread and we'll talk in the Summer.

10-12 range for theis no way he gets 20 million

[SMTBSI]

Maybe I'm wrong but that seems insanely high. Guys like Tristain Thompson, Serge Ibaka, Trez Harrell all signed for the MLE. I can't see Theis getting more than that range.

The difference is, Thompson and Ibaka have already made their money, so were willing to settle for less in the right situation. Harrell wanted to stay in LA.

Davis Bertans just signed for 4 years, 74 million. You don't think Theis is a better player than a one trick pony like Bertains who can't guard a chair? Some team like the Knicks will offer Theis a similar deal. Bookmark this thread and we'll talk in the Summer.

10-12 range for theis no way he gets 20 million

Yeah, Theis would have needed to have had a really good season this season, to firmly establish himself as one of those ignore-the-stats-he-just-helps-you-win types. He was getting a little buzz for that last season around the league, but he needed to keep building the case. As is stands right now, his price tag is coming down a bit from whatever the high-water mark was.

[BK_2020]

Mason Plumlee money

[La Flame]

27 year old dinosaur? Geez I'm old

His playstyle is out of date

Can't shoot 3s so no longer an option in the league?

More like can't shoot anything nor is he switchable. So yes, a dinosaur

[Ernest]

Just realized we have the 1 and the 5 spots in good shape. Multiple good point guards and centers. I can’t remember the last time we had that.

[Tai]

Couldn't say no any faster. This is god awful.

Poole is trash, Oubre is trash, Adams is a dinosaur. No. Unless Kemba is an absolute shell of himself, hardest pass of all time

It is purely Kemba liquidation.

Also gives us the possibility of S&Ts with Adams and/or Oubre.

For ****'s sake dude, he's reported from Adam Himmelsbach to possibly be coming back Friday (assuming that game isn't postponed).

Read on Twitter

Even him coming back Sunday or Wednesday (since workouts may be pushed back) would be huge.

I'm not against trading Kemba in the right deal, but a salary dump the way people suggested for Hayward I'm a hard pass as well. It's General Board tier nonsense if I'm being honest. If you argue this is the best we could ever get for Kemba in a deal, then I say we're better off seeing how he looks once he plays again.